Why do you guys say I need looks, money, & high status to get women? Basic logic says otherwise.

[Winston]

I've been meaning to ask you all something. Why do most guys, such as you guys, say that to get women and girls, you have to have looks, money and high social status? MGTOW and Incel guys especially say this. But doesn't make sense though if you think about it. Because:

1. If you ask any married couple, including your parents, they will tell you that they came together because they fell in love and getting married felt right. Even your parents will tell you that. But not because of looks, money or status. Those things get attention but they don't create love or romance or relationships.

2. Most people are average looking, especially in America where only a small percentage of people are attractive. Yet they still get married, as you can see in any suburb. So again, that makes no sense if you have to have good looks to get women.

3. Women that care about your looks, money or status are NOT your true friend, let alone your wife or girlfriend. They don't care about you and only want to use you. They aren't even good people. Good people don't like you only for your looks, money or status. This is common sense. Even 20 year old guys know this. So how come you guys don't? I don't get it.

4. Men who have had good healthy relationships with women don't usually say this. Only men who can't get women say that. Why is that?

5. When Dianne and I first met, she simply liked me for me. It was as if it was our destiny or karma to pair up. It wasn't about looks, money or status. She could have had other foreigners that are richer than me if she wanted. So again, that doesn't make sense. However, I will admit that for me to be attracted to someone she would have to be at least decent looking. The universe knows this so if it hooks me up with someone serious by fate or destiny, it will probably make sure that I am attracted to them first. I'm sure the universe has common sense. lol

So if basic logic debunks this notion, as explained above, why do you all say it? Can you explain or give me a logical explanation?

[Cornfed]

Generally you have to outbid other suitors for females, and if the female is young and vaguely human-looking in the West then another suitor is the government. You need to be bringing something to the table to outbid the government. Of course if you want to be an extra income source for some used up old skank for a while, that might be different.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

Generally you have to outbid other suitors for females, and if the female is young and vaguely human-looking in the West then another suitor is the government. You need to be bringing something to the table to outbid the government. Of course if you want to be an extra income source for some used up old skank for a while, that might be different.

Women doesn't need men because they got the Whorporations, Jewish Elite Harem, and Daddy government to take care of them for life.
Unless the entire U.S government defaults on their debt this June or July. No more gravy trains for Ameriwhores. All hell will break loose.

[Winston]

Generally you have to outbid other suitors for females, and if the female is young and vaguely human-looking in the West then another suitor is the government. You need to be bringing something to the table to outbid the government. Of course if you want to be an extra income source for some used up old skank for a while, that might be different.

On what basis? Looks alone never created a good relationship. Ask your parents if they got married due to looks or money? Come on. Use your common sense. Think about it. You didn't address my points above. I hate it when u guys do that. You just go off on a tangent without addressing my points.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

Generally you have to outbid other suitors for females, and if the female is young and vaguely human-looking in the West then another suitor is the government. You need to be bringing something to the table to outbid the government. Of course if you want to be an extra income source for some used up old skank for a while, that might be different.

On what basis? Looks alone never created a good relationship. Ask your parents if they got married due to looks or money? Come on. Use your common sense. Think about it. You didn't address my points above. I hate it when u guys do that. You just go off on a tangent without addressing my points.

Winston, women doesn't need men anymore at least in the west. You said it yourself.. we should go happier abroad.

[Space Invaders]

Generally you have to outbid other suitors for females, and if the female is young and vaguely human-looking in the West then another suitor is the government. You need to be bringing something to the table to outbid the government. Of course if you want to be an extra income source for some used up old skank for a while, that might be different.

On what basis? Looks alone never created a good relationship. Ask your parents if they got married due to looks or money? Come on. Use your common sense. Think about it. You didn't address my points above. I hate it when u guys do that. You just go off on a tangent without addressing my points.

Winston, women doesn't need men anymore at least in the west. You said it yourself.. we should go happier abroad.

Women abroad have standards too.

[Space Invaders]

I've been meaning to ask you all something. Why do most guys, such as you guys, say that to get women and girls, you have to have looks, money and high social status? MGTOW and Incel guys especially say this. But doesn't make sense though if you think about it. Because:

1. If you ask any married couple, including your parents, they will tell you that they came together because they fell in love and getting married felt right. Even your parents will tell you that. But not because of looks, money or status. Those things get attention but they don't create love or romance or relationships.

2. Most people are average looking, especially in America where only a small percentage of people are attractive. Yet they still get married, as you can see in any suburb. So again, that makes no sense if you have to have good looks to get women.

3. Women that care about your looks, money or status are NOT your true friend, let alone your wife or girlfriend. They don't care about you and only want to use you. They aren't even good people. Good people don't like you only for your looks, money or status. This is common sense. Even 20 year old guys know this. So how come you guys don't? I don't get it.

4. Men who have had good healthy relationships with women don't usually say this. Only men who can't get women say that. Why is that?

5. When Dianne and I first met, she simply liked me for me. It was as if it was our destiny or karma to pair up. It wasn't about looks, money or status. She could have had other foreigners that are richer than me if she wanted. So again, that doesn't make sense. However, I will admit that for me to be attracted to someone she would have to be at least decent looking. The universe knows this so if it hooks me up with someone serious by fate or destiny, it will probably make sure that I am attracted to them first. I'm sure the universe has common sense. lol

So if basic logic debunks this notion, as explained above, why do you all say it? Can you explain or give me a logical explanation?

Why do YOU think women don't want you. Surely, after a lifetime of rejection you must have some idea.

[Cornfed]

You have to be asking what you are bringing to the female from her point of view. If she has a reasonable amount of resources and protection from the system and she can get sex from average guys at the drop of a hat, where do you come in? Probably nowhere.

[peregrino]

Yes, if you're enough of a normie, all you really need to do is hang out with your clique, have a couple pleb tier hobbies like smoking weed and watching sports, and you'll meet enough women on your level that something will happen eventually. It might be worse for Gen Z now, but that's how it worked when we were teenagers.

The guys who seem to have a cheat code for infinite women have the ability to play women's emotions like a keyboard. That's all that game is. The PUA movement tried to break this down into a teachable system, but it never really worked. I don't know if guys like us can ever get it without reincarnating and going back to high school again.

3. Women that care about your looks, money or status are NOT your true friend, let alone your wife or girlfriend. They don't care about you and only want to use you. They aren't even good people. Good people don't like you only for your looks, money or status. This is common sense. Even 20 year old guys know this. So how come you guys don't? I don't get it.

Rich men seem to get along with women who are smart and mature enough to handle the power couple lifestyle. Think of the Clintons, or the Trumps, or Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

If you don't have some serious status or power, letting a gold digger into your life is the worst, she'll clean you out for every penny while her friends and family give her advice on how to manipulate you. Short term p4p is a better deal in every way.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

Is this one of Winston's late mid life crisis? I don't really understand why he is even asking this question...He is not going to like the answers and ask additional questions. On and on and on and on..

[Cornfed]

Is this one of Winston's late mid life crisis? I don't really understand why he is even asking this question...He is not going to like the answers and ask additional questions. On and on and on and on..

Asians seem particularly bad at putting themselves in other people's shoes. Most likely he thinks the universe should provide him a woman because he is not bad and didn't really do anything wrong without thinking through how it would benefit a given woman.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

Is this one of Winston's late mid life crisis? I don't really understand why he is even asking this question...He is not going to like the answers and ask additional questions. On and on and on and on..

Asians seem particularly bad at putting themselves in other people's shoes. Most likely he thinks the universe should provide him a woman because he is not bad and didn't really do anything wrong without thinking through how it would benefit a given woman.

Well I have seen this type of questions from Winston in the past and whenever the other users gives their honest answers, he just ask additional questions of why why why? or denies the answer and call the other guy stupid. If he doesn't like the answers don't ask the question.

[galii]

I've been meaning to ask you all something. Why do most guys, such as you guys, say that to get women and girls, you have to have looks, money and high social status? MGTOW and Incel guys especially say this. But doesn't make sense though if you think about it. Because:

1. If you ask any married couple, including your parents, they will tell you that they came together because they fell in love and getting married felt right. Even your parents will tell you that. But not because of looks, money or status. Those things get attention but they don't create love or romance or relationships.

2. Most people are average looking, especially in America where only a small percentage of people are attractive. Yet they still get married, as you can see in any suburb. So again, that makes no sense if you have to have good looks to get women.

3. Women that care about your looks, money or status are NOT your true friend, let alone your wife or girlfriend. They don't care about you and only want to use you. They aren't even good people. Good people don't like you only for your looks, money or status. This is common sense. Even 20 year old guys know this. So how come you guys don't? I don't get it.

4. Men who have had good healthy relationships with women don't usually say this. Only men who can't get women say that. Why is that?

5. When Dianne and I first met, she simply liked me for me. It was as if it was our destiny or karma to pair up. It wasn't about looks, money or status. She could have had other foreigners that are richer than me if she wanted. So again, that doesn't make sense. However, I will admit that for me to be attracted to someone she would have to be at least decent looking. The universe knows this so if it hooks me up with someone serious by fate or destiny, it will probably make sure that I am attracted to them first. I'm sure the universe has common sense. lol

So if basic logic debunks this notion, as explained above, why do you all say it? Can you explain or give me a logical explanation?

I never said EVERY man needed to have looks, status and money in order to get a woman. I just said in past comments that YOU specifically, @Winston, may need to bring a little extra to the table. Not because you're a bad dude but because you're kind of "out-there" in terms of personality, views, etcetera.

The things a good-looking, wealthy or high-status man are forgiven for, you aren't forgiven for, because you don't have the looks; you're just an out-of-shape middle aged Asian man with views that are considered 'strange' by most of polite society, and you are kind of repetative in talking about them. Now if you looked like Bruce Lee or Brad Pitt, you could talk about the earth being flat or us all living in a Matrix-esque similation to your hearts content and still get tons of female interest wherever you go... but you don't have those sorts of looks nor that sort of status, therefore your relative "oddness" disqualifies you to a lot of women.

Normal dudes don't need all that much to charm a woman. You, however, need to bring a bit more to the table visually or financially because you're a weirdo, Winston. You need to compensate for that but you never had the discipline or the work ethic required to become fit and handsome. You can't look like a slob and be awkward and have weird views and obsessions and still expect to swim in p***y lol. You need to compensate for your less desirable qualities by improving in other areas. If you had done this years ago you'd be happily married by now. But you are lazy so you blame Murphy's Law lol. Because it's easier, isn't it?

I guess being weird is how he stands out. Otherwise maybe he would be one of the millions of invisible men. I am pro selfimprovement but one can hold the view that the universe is deterministic so nobody had a choice in the first place.

[69ixine]

Winston is making good points here,guys.

And winston is a adorable teddy-bear,he is not ugly.women that are not brainwashed by hollywood,would find him charming and attractive in appearance,for sure.

Edit:I'm sure if winston had met my mom,who was a stunner redbone,she would be all over him.I mean fall deeply in love.he is kind,intelligent,has a good vibe,and he's asian which she prefered +a big teddybear which she also prefered and dated a fat lebanese guy because he had a belly and looked like a adorable teddybear.

Winston is attractive,just not to narrow hollywood standards ppl are brainwashed into .

[69ixine]

Generally you have to outbid other suitors for females, and if the female is young and vaguely human-looking in the West then another suitor is the government. You need to be bringing something to the table to outbid the government. Of course if you want to be an extra income source for some used up old skank for a while, that might be different.

On what basis? Looks alone never created a good relationship. Ask your parents if they got married due to looks or money? Come on. Use your common sense. Think about it. You didn't address my points above. I hate it when u guys do that. You just go off on a tangent without addressing my points.

The first thing my mother noticed when she met my father is the fact that he was 6'3" with thick curly brown hair, dan skin and bright blue eyes. He was a seaman and his looks attracted her before they even exchanged a single word. I know this because she told me lol. She has a type and he fit the bill. Simple as that.

and my stunner cuban redbone looking mom prefered East asian guys +Teddybear guys with a belly.everyone has different tastes,you're imposing hollywood/tiktok standards on all women.I look like a mannequin in real life,a tiktok star,as one gay guy said I look 'like a bad bitch'I can tell you women do not approach me cold,nor do I appeal to all women.Never have.

Winston is attractive,in his own way.He is not ugly,and alot of women like guys who are wierd in a good way.Why do you guys have to put the guy down?

Winston has great potential,just needs to go to a more pristine culture.I hope he gets the beautiful white woman he wants so bad.

not all women want some hollywood mannequin looking dude.That's the beauty of beauty-it's all subjective taste.

Winston is a goodlooking guy,so are you @MarcosZeitola ,just in different ways.You guys both have that cute look.

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You are goodlooking,man.different strokes for different folks.that's the beauty of beauty!