Russia and Ukraine pass anti-gay laws hahaha

[ladislav]

Ukranians will be busy not banning the internet (gay.com, etc.), Pro-Gay Churches, TV shows like "Will and Grace"... They will be too busy to do anything constructive.

But those sites and shows are in English and most people barely understand English.

[C.J.]

...Women may have the miracle of life. But Men have the miracle of taking a savage world and molding it into place of life, of cities and of technology. The first, that we know of, life in the universe that has transcended the animal boundary to become intelligent beings. ALL Men have contributed to building this world. It is all so typical for those who benefit to hate the creator. Like God, Men sought to emulate that great power and to build. To create with his hands a new world. To hate Men is to hate God or Creation as a whole. The hatred of men is a hatred of father's or creators. To kill Men is to kill life itself. To save the world, save Men. To create love, love Men. A loved Man will build. A needed Man will raise the mountains, not flatten them. War is made from the broken hearts of men. Like yin and Yang, if the bringing of life is the realm of women, then the power of destruction belongs to men. Equal in the same power but if channeled for good. A Man has the power to create life in the form of a heavenly home. The power to tame rivers and move earth. Such a tiny man build bridges and towers of steel that reach the heavens. May his tears one day be reserved for himself in a world that hates him so. All Men tried to give without thinking of themselves. That noble quality of a Man. So lost in this world that cares not of a Man's needs. Every Man has that little boy inside of himself. Asking for that heavenly hug. That one last respect for trying to do the right thing. Even the 'bad' men were once good. Until their hearts turned cold. If that one woman embraced Adolf hitler, encouraged him in his art. His passion would have surely changed the world is such a different way. That power of men to build or to destroy. Women hold the key to harnessing that power. To love or to hate? A loved Man can do so much more. But a hated Man will show the world his hurt. His tears are his rage. To rain down over the whole of humanity. No woman knows the pain or hurt of a Man. A Man's hurt is so great it could envelope the entire world. That is why it is important for a boy to be loved. Love thy brother, always. Star Wars is the story of this kind of pain. An unloved boy without a mother. All Men cry in their own way.

Designer, that post is pretty good. It only says 1/100th of what I know to be true, but it nonetheless says a lot. Most people think that others hate men, but it's the inverse. People love men. Men are quite valuable in the world. Why else would the elite fool men into wasting their time masturbating, courting chaotic females, copulating needlessly, giving themselves until they're all gone, working their asses off for a chance to have female company and not using their power to raise themselves above others? Because they accomplish work real men don't wanna do. In the eyes of the elite, all human servants are female. One type just has a weiner.

Women only hate their true spirits. That part of their lives where they could have infinite emotional experiences. To feel that which cannot cannot be touched by man - the heavenly hug you speak of. Western women worship the negative goddess of beauty. To waste their lives trying to be THE IDOL. This is why they don't really give men what they want. Why satisfy the dreams of a lowly worshipper if you already have what you want, to be idolized? This is also why they continue to try and be the best, even when they have it all.

Then you have western men trying to be their followers. When IMO, the man who hates all is the most powerful man of all. These kind of men have to show the world how pathetic it is, how people must reconnect themselves to God or perish in horrible pain. Harmony and safety only comes to those who respect that objective. Which is why I'm glad people like Hitler existed.

I think the most natural of man was a cold, ruthless, emotionless beast. And the females only gave them their bodies because it was all they could offer to survive longer than those who didn't have a man. The man was at least compassionate enough to let her live and partake of some of his spoils in exchange for continuing to be useful in some way. I think men need to be like this again.

[fschmidt]

"I personally am surprised they are scapegoating gays when they destroyed the family through women's rights, no fault divorce, communism - giving solo moms flats,... I read most Russians are too pessimistic to have children even though the Govt pays moms to spread their legs & pop out a baby.

Thank you for being a voice of sanity in this forum.

[Winston]

Putin signs anti-gay bill against promoting homosexuality in the media.

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20130630/181970032.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Russia

I wonder what the politically correct liberals in America think of this. lol

[OutWest]

The law is a clear violation of free speech.

You're overlooking a long-standing debate between Soviet Russia and the US about the nature of freedom. The US is built around what's called "negative liberty" -- telling government no, it cannot prevent individuals from doing certain things they want to, such as give expresssion to whatever comes to mind. Soviet communism, and much of the rest of the world, argued that negative liberty is somewhat pointless. What's important is "positive liberty," giving individuals the freedom and social support to bring their best possible selves and lives to fruition. This often involves the state, or some other authority, trying to suppress certain behaviors that are regarded as broadly harmful to personal and social fulfillment, such as homosexuality.

So when you condemn Russia for prohibiting free speech, you're saying they should adopt a tradition that they have never had and have made cogent arguments against.

Few people grasp this. In addition, while one might take the libertarian argument for Homosexuality,
it's bloom in society seems connected to a society in it's last days.

Note the hypocrisy here...when Russia was full-blown communist, leftists would often defend it from
detractors with a "Well, they have the right to have different values." or that kind of thing.
Now when it comes to homosexuality, suddenly, Russia's internal affairs in detail, should be the
world's business. Apparently, discouraging fudge-packing is a far more serious offense than sending
someone to the Gulag for life.

So Russia is in some way, trying to NOT buy into the brave new world/collapsing society mode,
and they say the West is corrupt. Those in the collapsing societies are very very upset...

[fschmidt]

The law is a clear violation of free speech.

So when you condemn Russia for prohibiting free speech, you're saying they should adopt a tradition that they have never had and have made cogent arguments against.

Note the hypocrisy here...when Russia was full-blown communist, leftists would often defend it from
detractors with a "Well, they have the right to have different values." or that kind of thing.
Now when it comes to homosexuality, suddenly, Russia's internal affairs in detail, should be the
world's business. Apparently, discouraging fudge-packing is a far more serious offense than sending
someone to the Gulag for life.

So Russia is in some way, trying to NOT buy into the brave new world/collapsing society mode,
and they say the West is corrupt. Those in the collapsing societies are very very upset...

First of all, the law I was referring to is Ukrainian, not Russian. So far Russia seems to be doing the right thing and not violating free speech, while Ukraine is becoming a total cesspool, spawning FEMEN, overthrowing democracy, asking for IMF loans to become a puppet of the international bankers, and passing laws violating free speech.

Democracy isn't in the Russian tradition either. So do you support Russia returning to Czars? Personally I don't care much about democracy but I really value free speech. I think free speech is a good value for any society to adopt regardless of its history.

In addition, while one might take the libertarian argument for Homosexuality,
it's bloom in society seems connected to a society in it's last days.

Do you have any evidence for this? I am no expert on homosexuality because I have no interest in the subject, but I suspect that if what you said was really true, the historical evidence would be widely available.