Feminist Lawmakers in Philippines make it harder to marry

[MrMan]

The US has some kind of law where if you use a 'marriage broker' you have to register it with the government, right? That's kind of crazy.

[Outcast9428]

@publicduende

Promiscuity and casual sex is degenerate... Period. I don't care if the woman consents to it or not. I also support harsh penalties for female adulterers.

[publicduende]

@publicduende

Promiscuity and casual sex is degenerate... Period. I don't care if the woman consents to it or not. I also support harsh penalties for female adulterers.

@Outcast9428 You clearly live in a different space-time bubble than the rest of us. Nothing wrong with it, but don't expect to be positively surprised, when reality pops your bubble and you see that sex between consenting adults is perfectly normal, whether it's occasional or framed within a long-term relationship.

Violence is not right. Abuse is not right. Deceit is not right. So long all parties involved know where they are coming from and what they want, everything is perfectly acceptable.

[Yohan]

This article of the OP is still on the internet, but might disappear soon, as published in 2014.
I copied and paste it for this forum, text below.

I don't think it's so bad, but it is written rather biased...against foreign men of course.

However I do not think it is pointing openly to Western men - considering the local circumstances it is more about Asian men.

I don't think a simple background check of the foreign man is entirely wrong -
If the foreign man and has a reasonable income and no criminal record, what is really his problem?

There are similar laws about Filipina maids working overseas, especially in NearEast and MiddleEast countries, plenty of abuse by foreign employers.
But who really cares about such laws is the question.

https://www.philstar.com/nation/2014/08 ... ing-pinays

Bill seeks strict requirements for foreigners marrying Pinays
Dennis Carcamo - The Philippine Star
August 20, 2014 | 12:19pm

MANILA, Philippines - In view of protecting Filipino women from exploitation, the House of Representatives has approved on second reading a measure providing for additional requirements for male foreigners who want to marry them.

The House Committee on Revision of Laws, chaired by Pangasinan Rep. Marlyn Primicias-Agabas, sponsored for plenary approval House Bill 4828, which substituted HB 2387 authored by Cebu Rep. Gwendolyn Garcia.

“The bill shall protect Filipino women against exploitation of foreigners who marry without evident means to support a family,” Primicias-Agabas said.

Garcia said some of the foreigners coming to the country to marry Filipino women are vagabonds or social and moral derelicts in their own country.

“The real motive for marriage is only to take advantage and exploit our women by making them work for the family and worse, by sending them to prostitution and other degrading and dehumanizing occupations,” she said.

“The exploitation of our Filipino women, through the so-called mail-order or pen-pal, Facebook, website made, and other internet made marriages, has not only caused untold miseries and suffering to our Filipino women but it has also brought dishonor and disgrace to the Filipino womanhood,” Garcia added.

Under the measure, the prospective foreign husband shall provide a certificate of good moral character and a certificate that he has a gainful trade, business, employment or other lawful source of income to be issued by his country’s diplomatic or consular official, in addition to the usual certificate of legal capacity.

The measure amends Article 21 of Executive Order 209, otherwise known as the Family Code of the Philippines.

[Yohan]

.... First and foremost, the proposal did not pass. I have been married to a Filipina for almost 2 years now and I know that, as of 2020, no paperwork was needed from me, the foreigner, certifying my working or earning status. As for the "certificate of moral character", the closest we got to that was a form where I had to self-certify the reason why I wanted to get married to C, my wife.

I was not aware of that this proposal did not pass. However even if there is a requirement like this one, see text above in my other comment, I see no problem as long as the foreign man can prove that he is single, shows up with an average income and has no serious criminal record.

It was likely the idea to create such rules because of Asian criminal men who created fake marriages and the women ended up in night clubs or as porn-model somewhere in South Korea and also here in Japan.

Of course there are also some Western men who are rather bad, but they are few if you compare them with the number of violent Asian gang members operating in various Asian countries.

[flowerthief00]

Hmm, regarding @Outcast9428 and @publicduende 's dispute....
Both of you are simply stating what your values are. Neither of you have demonstrated why this behavior is or isn't degenerate, or why it is or isn't preferable. Which isn't your fault, because that would be impossible. Like Hume said, we can't derive an "ought" from an "is" and when it comes to values, all we can do is state our own and hope others agree with us.

I think there's room for both points of view in modern society. That casual sex is degenerate is not my value, but I have a certain respect for those who apply it consistently.

That everything between consenting adults is acceptable is not really my value either. The reason I lean that way is practical as much as anything. How exactly are we to enforce laws governing conduct in the bedroom? Should the government install cameras on our beds?
Any law that cannot be practically enforced is a law we should think twice about before enacting.

[publicduende]

Hmm, regarding @Outcast9428 and @publicduende 's dispute....
Both of you are simply stating what your values are. Neither of you have demonstrated why this behavior is or isn't degenerate, or why it is or isn't preferable. Which isn't your fault, because that would be impossible. Like Hume said, we can't derive an "ought" from an "is" and when it comes to values, all we can do is state our own and hope others agree with us.

I think there's room for both points of view in modern society. That casual sex is degenerate is not my value, but I have a certain respect for those who apply it consistently.

That everything between consenting adults is acceptable is not really my value either. The reason I lean that way is practical as much as anything. How exactly are we to enforce laws governing conduct in the bedroom? Should the government install cameras on our beds?
Any law that cannot be practically enforced is a law we should think twice about before enacting.

Obvious, @flowerthief00, the domain of morality, sexual morality included, is not written in stone. It has changed over time and cultures, and will continue to change. Geniuses like Oscar Wilde and Alan Turing paid a very high price for applying their values, those of following their homosexual inclination, consistently.

It's impossible to demonstrate why and how a certain behaviour is "degenerate" without giving a frame of reference. Kissing your wife in public on a beach in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, may wind you in jail. The Kuala Lumpur airport has showers but I read about an unmarried couple who had a shower at the same time, probably to save on time and money, and was picked up by security, covered with blankets, and escorted away, half-naked. The same two things are considered perfectly acceptable on a beach or airport in Brazil or the Netherlands.