Russia's Invasion of Ukraine, aka "Putin's Special Operation"

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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine, aka "Putin's Special Operation"

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Voyager1 wrote:
May 11th, 2025, 6:21 am
Pope Leo XIV pleas for peace in Ukraine and Gaza
Putin does not care about what the Pope in Rome says.

The only one related to a Church he might listen is the Patriarch Kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church,

However Patriarch Kirill is not known for peace and supportive to the Russian government.



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No putin doesn't listen to Patriarch Kirill. Patriarch Kirill listens to putin or he's dead. That is how a despot rules - through fear
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Ukrainians tell Putin ‘we don’t trust you’ ahead of Russia peace talks
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/politics/inte ... r-AA1EBqcQ
Another added, “putin is trying to win time, it is just empty talk of no consequence.”
@Yohan Do you think these proposed peace talks May 15 in Turkey are just another tactic to buy time? @Winston Do you think putin will really go to Istanbul or send down one of his doubles? he's an internationally wanted war criminal. he should be arrested right there on the spot
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Voyager1 wrote:
May 12th, 2025, 5:36 am

@Yohan Do you think these proposed peace talks May 15 in Turkey are just another tactic to buy time? @Winston Do you think putin will really go to Istanbul or send down one of his doubles? he's an internationally wanted war criminal. he should be arrested right there on the spot
Putin's demands can never be accepted by Ukraine. This is not a peace talk, this is about capitulation of Ukraine, totally unacceptable by Ukraine, all Europe, UK and other Ukraine friendly countries.

I think, these talks will break down, postponed etc. with a zero result, except maybe some prisoners exchange or other similar small activities.
Russia demands Ukraine adopt a neutral status, renounce NATO membership, and ban the deployment of foreign troops. The draft also imposes strict limits on Ukraine’s armed forces: no more than 85,000 soldiers, 342 tanks, and 519 artillery systems. The range of Ukrainian missiles must not exceed 40 km, allowing Russian forces to deploy without the threat of strikes.
Beside those demands Russia also is asking for resignation of the entire Ukrainian government, wants new election with new politicians, prohibiting foreign military presence or aid. Russia also wants to install a pro-Moscow leader and official status to the Russian language in Ukraine.

That's ridiculous, can never be accepted...

Yes, so basically it is about to win time to move troops and weapons and continue as before, with North Korean soldiers, with drones from Iran, using Belarus territory like if it is a part of Russia etc. and this list is not even complete...
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Voyager1 wrote:
May 11th, 2025, 10:44 am
No putin doesn't listen to Patriarch Kirill. Patriarch Kirill listens to putin or he's dead. That is how a despot rules - through fear
I think you seriously underestimate Patriarch Kirill. Very close friend of Putin since decades.
Patriarch Kirill is able to manipulate ordinary people in Russia as the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church.

A summary of him can be found with wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch ... _of_Moscow
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