Outcast9428 wrote: ↑December 4th, 2022, 12:13 am
Tsar wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2022, 10:52 pm
I spoke to Russian girls online who said communism is why there's no effectively no homeless in Russia because everyone had an apartment because of Communism. People were guaranteed housing which is a human right, and shouldn't be considered a market item.
A system with both elements of communism and elements of capitalism.
Housing is a human right much like food, water, healthcare, and utilities. Human rights should be given to people at no cost.
Extreme wealth inequality, unlimited amounts of property ownership, and unlimited amounts of net worth are not acceptable for an economic system.
The system should be designed to have a proportional wage system. Lowest level to highest level. The government should pay anyone who can't get work or create a job specifically for them.
No more multinationals. Certain industries should be completely nationalized and non-profit. The government should be the only multinational by having state-owned business.
Energy, utilities, raw materials, pharmaceuticals, insurance (for individuals), health insurance, medicine, and healthcare should all be nonprofit and state-owned or state-controlled.
Factory farms should become illegal. Only small to large privately owned farming, and very-large scale government farms.
It should be illegal for investors and businesses to own residential property above a set limit.
Everyone in life should be given a starter flat, annual sets of plain clothes, and coupons to redeem at a government shop for food. Just like starting in a video game. Then, everyone can use a fair version of capitalism to improve their lives.
Anyone who justifies the wealth of the super rich as normal or the system that allowed the creation of multinationals and billionaires doesn't care about creating a fair system.
Capitalism doesn't exist. It hasn't since nations abandoned the agrarianism concept of common land and the Industrial Revolution destroyed artisans, craftsman, and small businesses. What America and the world has is a system of feudalism and debt slavery.
The best economic system with a focus on sustainability wouldn't allow people to go into debt because debt is imaginary.
Feudalism, corporatism, and American capitalism will never eliminate poverty. It will only increase poverty and suffering.
Capitalism isn't stronger than ever. It's become more entrenched as an ideology but most people would favor a replacement system.
Anyone that thinks about economics with an ideological leaning will never create a better system for common prosperity.
@Pixel--Dude @Lucas88 @Outcast9428
You have been living in Eastern Europe for the past year, so there's no way you haven't seen the Soviet block apartments. They are absolutely hideous.
People who are homeless in America are homeless because they either have really serious mental health problems, or because they are addicted to drugs. They would not be homeless if the left had not pushed for deinstitutionalization back in the 60s. America has public housing projects as well, and if you make no money, you can stay there for free, but they are terrible places to live.
At least in America, you are not forced to live in those places, you can better your circumstances. In a communist system, virtually everyone lives in one of those hideous, soul crushing block apartments because the system demands wealth equality and you cannot better your own circumstances.
Housing, food, utilities, and healthcare all require labor to produce. Not just some, but a lot of labor. You can't just give these things to people for no cost because then the people who provided them will receive no compensation for their labor. You are turning them into slaves.
Virtually everyone in capitalistic societies has those things anyway though, including the poor. The percentage of Americans who are homeless is only 0.06%, a total of about 600,000 people. Its very realistically possible to put them all in the appropriate institutions designed for them. Virtually everything you just described is guaranteed under capitalism... Its just a more complex method of organizing it. People are not angry because they don't have these things... They are angry because they have lower quality versions of these things. But the only alternative to that is to force everyone to accept low quality "necessities."
I have seen them and the communist style apartments have their merits. They could look nicer, but large apartment blocks can accomplish:
1. Land conservation
2. Affordable housing
3. More space in cities
4. Act as starter houses
If people want to upgrade to a luxury apartment or a house that's more attractive, then that's where capitalist style economics should be involved.
I don't think you've seen documentaries about homelessness or heard the stories. It's a myth that most homeless are on drugs or have mental problems. Most poverty and homelessness is a failure of the system which includes capitalism.
People can be compensated but certain industries cannot have private ownership. There's no reason not to have government farms employing people. The American idea of no state-ownership and private markets only is one reason why life in America declines every generation.
Raw materials, water, land, and other parts of nature should have collective ownership. Why should everyone have to pay wealthy landowners who engage in profiteering because of they control all the land and resources? That's an unfair system and American or Anglo-Zionist capitalism doesn't want to address that.
Not everything should or can be owned. If someone owns a well or lake with freshwater, and then I decide that I need freshwater, and I won't be paying $5 or $10 for a bottle, so I bring a canteen to a lake, and fill it at the source, would I be stealing water? That's the joke of capitalism. Owning things that they didn't produce just because they have land rights that allow unlimited profiteering.
That's the essence of capitalist system. If you can't afford to live then you die.
If someone owns a reasonable amount of land or produces crops or owns a forest them that's capitalism. But profiteers owning the natural gas, oil, water, factory farms and corporations owning forests and lakes and land is unacceptable. That's feudalism, not capitalism. It can't be shrugged off as simply capitalism.
People can be given a standard ration of utilities, food, and water at no cost. Government farms can give people basic food with coupons or compensate the private farmers, and then people can buy things not included in the rations.
Much like a video game. A video game is very close to the ideal economic system.
People should be given basic things for free like communism them buy better things with capitalism.
Consumerism is also another problem and toxic for nature. Consumerism encourages mismanagement of finite resources. Consumerism also emphasizes quantity over quality. The quality of most products has declined in the US and elsewhere since the 1970s or 1980s. People should be encouraged to save for good quality or high quality goods that last 20-100 years.
Capitalism has the most conflicts of interest. That's why agrarianism and national socialism are better for humanity. It's also why communism has less conflicts of interest.
Russia's defense industry is state-owned. Russia also has state-ownership of many resources. That's why people in some parts of Russia pay nothing or very little for gasoline and low electric bills.
Private corporations control the United States defense industry and military industrial complex. Insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies and hospitals can set whatever prices they want to engage in profiteering. If people look at it, the quality of healthcare in the US isn't anywhere near the best but it's the most expensive in the world. That's not a sign of capitalism which claims everything should be priced at what the free market can sustain and that businesses will try to produce the best quality. Capitalism is a conflict of interest because there's planned obsolescence and there's no genuine desire to create technologies for unlimited energy, real cures to disease, or even invent new disruptive technologies. How can capitalism solve problems if solving the problem would end the industry by removing the ability to profiteer? That's the flawed system.
Nikola Tesla was shutdown because he was engaging in genuine science and wanted to create technologies without any focus on profiteering. The American financiers didn't like that because it could disruptive his profiteering if he was successful.
American capitalism and modern capitalism (neo-feudalism) are not making the world or people's lives better or happier.
0 should be the minimum amount of money and net worth that a person can have.
Why should profiteers be allowed to earn unlimited amounts of money at the expense of everyone else? That's not a sign of a functional or fair system.