gsjackson wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2023, 4:45 am
Christian Zionism is a recent development tied to the promulgation of the Scofield Bible by Jews in the early part of the 20th century, and as far as I know is largely confined to the U.S.
Of the 100+ countries that have exiled Jews, I'd wager that a large majority of them were Christian. How could the Jews not be resentful? How could the conversos not be resentful about being forced to convert and determined to exact their revenge through the Jesuit order? While it's possible that a secular or pagan or whatever country could develop the kind of moral framework in which Kabbalism would be constrained, the fact is that Christendom is where that ethos was constructed, stigmatizing usury, money worship, sexual deviance, pornography, etc. and elevating the ideas of equality in the eyes of God of all people. Kabbalism and Talmudism couldn't flourish in such a landscape, but they sure as hell do now in a post-Christian West.
I don't claim to be the last word on the history of all this, but I think abundant evidence can be found that Jews truly hate Christianity and Yeshua. Check out the videos of Brother Nathanael, a Jew who became a Russian Orthodox monk. The hatred runs deep.
The Scofield Bible for the support of Christian Zionism is certainly a thing but the truth is that, in the greater scheme of things, Christianity as an Abrahamic derivative has served to normalize and enable Jewish Messianism from a much earlier time.
Consider the following points:
- The bulk of New Testament theology was created by a Jewish Pharisee who never even met Yeshua yet took the Torah-derived religion to Rome and polemicized against all Roman and Gentile religious and philosophical tradition
- Christianity teaches that the tribal deity of the Jews is the one true god, prohibits all other forms of religion, and recognizes the Jews' election as part of a supposed overarching divine plan
- Christianity also recognizes Jewish Messianism and all of the so-called prophecies associated with it (i.e., the coming of a Messianic Kingdom in which the whole world will bow down to the god of Israel)
With Christianity as an Abrahamic derivative recognizing Yahweh worship, Torah revelation, and Jewish election and Messianism, the Jews are already more than halfway there to achieving their goal, despite doctrinal differences with and occasions of hostility from Christians. This is why Maimonides in the 12th century regarded the flourishing of Christianity and Islam throughout Gentile lands as preparation for the Messiah and the fulfillment of prophecy -- a "god works in mysterious ways" kind of deal.
The truth is that within the Kabbalah there is evidence that at the higher levels some rabbis do consider Yeshua as a kind of false prophet who deceived Gentiles but who is really working for the Jews and will help to usher in their Messianic Kingdom. It's simply that Christians and most others aren't aware of this evidence because they haven't researched the Kabbalah or even Judaism in any kind of depth.
Jews generally don't have a positive view of Yeshua because he taught a corruption of the Torah and was therefore a tempter and deceiver of Torah-observant Jews, and of course antisemitism from Christians over the centuries won't have helped either, but nevertheless since at least the time of Maimonides some high-level Jewish scholars have regarded Christianity's diffusion as part of the Jewish Messianic plan and to this day Kabbalists, including those of the Chassidic Chabad variety, teach the Yeshua-as-a-false-Messiah-for-the-Gentiles angle and are even gleeful that Gentiles practice a Torah-derived religion and worship a Jew. Lol!
I don't find the popular argument that Christianity hindered the Jewish agenda due to its antisemitism particularly convincing. It misses the bigger picture.
Rather Christianity with its recognition of the god of Israel, the Hebrew Bible, Messianism and near-perfect-Noahide-compliance provided a perfect cover for converso and crypto Jews to infiltrate religious hierarchies and rise to prominent positions in society, pretending to be Christians while secretly practicing Judaism and Kabbalah. This did indeed happen in Spain and Portugal after the Alhambra Decree of 1492 when dozens of thousands of marranos insincerely converted to Catholicism, many of whom then used their assumed Catholic identity to make their way into the highest spheres of influence within the Church and other important areas of society and marry into the Portuguese aristocracy, all while retaining their Jewish faith in secret. The underhanded schemes of these conversos however would of course generate considerable backlash from some European Catholics who caught on to what the game was, and, according to some sources (e.g., Guyénot), this would motivate the same cryptos to covertly play a role in the formation of the Protestant movement in order to turn it against the Catholic Church which they had begun to resent (it's no secret that many of the early Protestants were Judaizers and philosemitic).
The prominence which Jews achieved in Christian Europe was largely due to the fact that Christians were forced to tolerate Jews to some degree due to religious respect for their Yahweh monotheism, chosen status (i.e., "salvation comes from the Jews"), and Torah. Although there was often major Christian backlash against Jews for usury and Jewish antisociality, European recognition of the Bible still meant that they were given their place in society – even as moneylenders since this profession was considered extremely shameful for a Christian to engage in but acceptable for a Jew, perhaps due to the permission to charge interest on loans which the Old Testament affords to Jews with the only condition that the borrower be a non-Jew.
In the pre-Christian Pagan world, however, nobody gave a rat's ass about Jews or their scriptures or their tribal deity or their purported chosen status. They were merely seen as backward and superstitious and some Pagan writers were aware of their misanthropy and hatred for the nations. Without Abrahamic religion, no Gentile society believed that the Jews were chosen, cared about their religious delusions or felt obligated to tolerate them. In fact, when the Jews played up, some Pagan leaders such as Antiochus and later the Romans just went iron fist on them and outright desecrated their temple and wiped out many of them. Pagan antisemitism was far more based. Lol!
As for Kabbalism and Talmudism, both of these did flourish among Jewish circles since the Middle Ages. The Kabbalah especially flourished in Catholic Spain, where Moses de León compiled the Zohar, now the most revered Kabbalistic text. Christianity wasn't able to stamp out those indecent teachings. The same Kabbalah continued to develop throughout the Renaissance, again especially in Catholic Spain but also in Italy and other European countries. Christianity didn't do much to prevent it.
The only major problem that the Kabbalist elite has with Christianity, as I've already mentioned, is that the religion isn't fully Noahide-compliant due to its Trinity doctrine and must therefore be diluted and give way to the one-world Noahide religion for the Messianic Age. If we put all of this into perspective, it's just a case of Judaism having a few kosher quibbles with a lesser quasi-Judaism (for the Gentiles) which was born out of the former.
Sorry if I sound a bit derisive when I say this, but Christian "antisemites" recognize the tribal deity of the Jews as sole cosmic creator, accept as their holy scriptures a collection of books written by Jews, believe in a mythology populated with Jewish characters and archetypes, and even worship a Yid as their god!!! LMAO!
We non-Christian/Pagan antisemites don't believe in any of that Jewish fantasy. Our antisemitism is far more legitimate.
