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How Could We Have Been So Naive about Big Tech?

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I like the recent spate of deep and intellectual threads that have popped up in the forum. It's the kind of stuff I usually love to roll in, like a pig in fresh mud. I wish I had the time to engage more...

Anyway, in this spirit, I would like to share a particularly good article about the real tech-authoritarian agenda of Big Tech. The classical definition of Fascism is that of an industrial policy that fuses the government (political power) with the ownership of the means of production (industrial power). It does not postulate how this fusion is achieved.

The Communist way has been to nationalise large industrial conglomerates, often against the will of their legitimate owners, and often resulting in disastrous decline in quality, output, innovation and entrepreneurial spirit. Ayn Rand made a lot of critique against this, in her semi-fictional Atlas Shrugged. At the times of Ayn Rand (the roaring 20s), Americans looked at conservative thinkers and politicians as the gatekeepers of the free markets and the liberal economic policies that were seen as the propeller of modern progress. This, in stark contrast with the horror stories coming from Bolshevik Russia.

Looking at the phenomenon now, it's clear that it's the political establishment that has long been subservient to the industrial (tech) elites, not vice-versa. Fascist dynamics are in full play, but in reverse: Big Tech and tech-driven industrial conglomerates are a form of transnational authority that exercises power through the laws of marketing and consumerism. They have long realised that a society without great spiritual aspirations, who works hard and makes good money yet lives in a state of economic subordination and compliance with the diktat of consumerism (ads, influencers, trends, the "current thing", etc.), cannot fully exist without a set of matching liberal policies. Unlike in the 20s, they prefer to keep their power "soft", letting the politicians they sponsor and pay do the dirty work.

In a mechanical metaphor, the politics are the switches and big tech are the engines that get triggered, full throttle, as soon as the switches go off.

We live in a state of liberal fascism, which is even more odious than the one proclaimed by Mussolini and Hitler. At least, for all the hypocrisy going on, the former fascism had some allegiance to the moral foundation of modern civilisations, perhaps inspired by the Roman imperial model: God, Motherland, and Family. Liberal fascism of today conjugates the monopoly of thought of Hitler with the worst nihilism of Marxist origin. We are free from everything, even from our own morals, from what makes us human. Without any spiritual reflection and deep knowledge to back it, individual critical thinking has reduced itself to collectively herding around "supporting the current thing" and condemning whoever won't comply. We are not only told how to think, but also how to feel. This is worst than any literary dystopia we have ever conjured up.

Image

Anyway...here's the article.

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https://brownstone.org/articles/how-cou ... -big-tech/

How Could We Have Been So Naive about Big Tech?
BY JEFFREY A. TUCKER
AUGUST 22, 2022

The 1998 movie Enemy of the State starring Gene Hackman and Will Smith seemed like fiction at the time. Why I didn’t regard that movie – which still holds up in nearly every detail – as a warning I do not know. It pulls back the curtain on the close working relationship between national security agencies and the communications industry – spying, censorship, blackmailing, and worse. Today, it seems not just a warning but a description of reality.

There is no longer any doubt at all about the symbiotic relationship between Big Tech – the digital communications industry in particular – and government. The only issue we need to debate is which of the two sectors are more decisive in driving the loss of privacy, free speech, and liberty in general.

Not only that: I’ve been involved in many debates over the years, always taking the side of technology over those who warned of the coming dangers. I was a believer, a techno-utopian and could not see where this was headed.

The lockdowns were the great shock for me, not only for the unconscionably draconian policies imposed on the country so quickly. The shock was intensified by how all the top tech companies immediately enlisted in the war on freedom of association. Why? Some combination of industry ideology, which shifted over 30 years from a founding libertarian ethos to become a major force for techno-tyranny, plus industry self-interest (how better to promote digital media consumption than to force half the workforce to stay home?) were at work.

For me personally, it feels like betrayal of the most profound sort. Only 12 years ago, I was still celebrating the dawning of the Jetsons World and dripping with disdain for the Luddites among us who refused to get with it and buy and depend on all the latest gizmos. It seemed inconceivable to me at the time that such wonderful tools could ever be taken over by power and used as a means of social and economic control. The whole idea of the Internet was to overthrow the old order of imposition and control! The Internet was anarchy, to my mind, and therefore had some built-in resistance to all attempts to monopolize it.

And yet here we are. Just this weekend, The New York Times carries a terrifying story about a California tech professional who, on request, texted a doctor’s office a picture of his son’s infection that required a state of undress, and then found himself without email, documents, and even a phone number. An algorithm made the decision. Google has yet to admit wrongdoing. It’s one story but emblematic of a massive threat that affects all our lives.

Amazon servers are reserved only for the politically compliant, while Twitter’s censorship at explicit behest of the CDC/NIH is legion. Facebook and Instagram can and does bodybag anyone who steps out of line, and the same is true of YouTube. Those companies make up the bulk of all Internet traffic. As for escaping, any truly private email cannot be domiciled in the US, and our one-time friend the smartphone operates now as the most reliable citizen surveillance tool in history.

In retrospect, it’s rather obvious that this would happen because it has happened with every other technology in history, from weaponry to industrial manufacturing. What begins as a tool of mass liberation and citizen empowerment eventually comes to be nationalized by the state working with the largest and most politically connected firms. World War I was the best illustration of just such an outrage in the 20th century: the munitions manufacturers were the only real winners of that one, while the state acquired new powers of which it never really let go.

It’s hard to appreciate just what a shock that “Great War” was to a whole generation of liberal intellectuals. My mentor Murray Rothbard wrote an extremely thoughtful reflection on the naive liberalism of Victorian-age techno enthusiasts, circa 1880-1910. This was a generation that saw progress emancipation on every front: the end of slavery, a burgeoning middle class, the crumbling of the old aristocracies of power, and new technologies. All these enabled the mass production of steel, cities rising to the heavens, electricity and lighting everywhere, flight, and countless consumer improvements from indoor plumbing and heating to mass availability of food that enabled enormous demographic shifts.

Reading the greats from that period, their optimism about the future was palpable. One of my favorite writers, Mark Twain, held such a view. His moral outrage toward the Spanish-American War, the remnants of family feuds in the South, and reactionary class-based biases were everywhere in his writings, always with a sense of profound disapproval that these signs of revanchist thinking and behaving were surely one generation away from full expiration. He shared in the naivete of the times. He simply could not have imagined the carnage of the coming total war that made the Spanish-American war look like a practice drill. The same outlook on the future was held by of Oscar Wilde, William Graham Sumner, William Gladstone, Auberon Herbert, Lord Acton, Hillaire Belloc, Herbert Spencer, and all the rest.

Rothbard’s view was that their excessive optimism, their intuitive sense of the inevitability of the victory of liberty and democracy, and their overarching naivete toward the uses of technology actually contributed to the decline and fall of what they considered civilization. Their confidence in the beautiful future – and their underestimate of the malice of states and the docility of the public – created a mindset that was less driven to work for truth than it otherwise would have been. They positioned themselves as observers of ever-increasing progress of peace and well-being. They were the Whigs who implicitly accepted a Hegelian-style view of their invincibility of their causes.

Of Herbert Spencer, for example, Rothbard wrote this scathing criticism:

Spencer began as a magnificently radical liberal, indeed virtually a pure libertarian. But, as the virus of sociology and Social Darwinism took over in his soul, Spencer abandoned libertarianism as a dynamic historical movement, although at first without abandoning it in pure theory. In short, while looking forward to an eventual ideal of pure liberty, Spencer began to see its victory as inevitable, but only after millenia of gradual evolution, and thus, in actual fact, Spencer abandoned Liberalism as a fighting, radical creed; and confined his Liberalism in practice to a weary, rear-guard action against the growing collectivism of the late nineteenth-century. Interestingly enough, Spencer’s tired shift “rightward” in strategy soon became a shift rightward in theory as well; so that Spencer abandoned pure liberty even in theory.

Rothbard was so sensitive to this problem due to the strange times in which his ideological outlook took shape. He experienced his own struggle in coming to terms with the way in which the brutality of real-time politics poisons the purity of ideological idealism.

The bulk of the Rothbardian paradigm had been complete by the time he finished his PhD in economics from Columbia University. By 1963-1964, he published his massive economic treatise, a reconstruction of the economics of the origins of the Great Depression, and put together the core of the binary that became his legacy: history is best understood as a competitive struggle between market and state. One of his best books on political economy – Power and Market – that appeared years later was actually written in this period but not published because the publisher found it too controversial.

Implicit in this outlook was a general presumption of the universal merit of free enterprise compared with the unrelenting depredations of the state. It has the ring of truth in most areas of life: the small business compared with the plotting and scamming of politics, the productivity and creativity of entrepreneurs vs the lies and manipulations of bureaucratic armies, the grimness of inflation, taxation, and war vs the peaceful trading relationships of commercial life. Based on this outlook, he became the 20th century’s foremost advocate of what became anarcho-capitalism.

Rothbard also distinguished himself in those years for never joining the Right in becoming a champion of the Cold War. Instead he saw war as the worst feature of statism, something to be avoided by any free society. Whereas he once published in the pages of National Review, he later found himself as the victim of a fatwa by Russia-hating and bomb-loving conservatives and thereby began to forge his own school of thought that took over the name libertarian, which had only recently been revived by people who preferred the name liberal but realized that this term had long been appropriated by its enemies.

What happened next challenged the Rothbardian binary. It was not lost on him that the major driving force beyond the building of the Cold War security state was private enterprise itself. And the conservative champions of free enterprise had utterly failed to distinguish between private-sector forces that thrive independently of the state and those who not only live off the state but exercise a decisive influence in further fastening the yoke of tyranny on the population through war, conscription, and general industrial monopolization. Seeing his own binary challenged in real life drove him to found an intellectual project embodied in his journal Left and Right, which opened in 1965 and ran until 1968. Here we find some of the most challenging writing and analysis of the second half of the twentieth century.

The first issue featured what might be his most mighty essay on political history: “Left, Right, and the Prospects for Liberty.” This essay came from a period in which Rothbard warmed up to the left simply because it was only on this side of the political spectrum where he found skepticism of the Cold War narrative, outrage at industrial monopolization, disgust at reactionary militarism and conscription, dogged opposition to violations of civil liberties. and generalized opposition to the despotism of the age. His new friends on the left in those days were very different from the woke/lockdown left of today, obviously. But in time, Rothbard too soured on them and their persistence in economic ignorance and un-nuanced hatred of capitalism in general and not just the crony variety.

So on it went through the decades as Rothbard was drawn ever more toward understanding class as a valuable desiderata of political dynamics, large corporate interests in a hand-in-glove relationship to the state, and the contrast between elites and common people as an essential heuristic to pile on top of his old state vs market binary. As he worked this out more fully, he came to adopt many of the political tropes we now associate with populism, but Rothbard was never fully comfortable in that position either. He rejected crude nationalism and populism, knew better than anyone of the dangers of the Right, and was well aware of the excesses of democracy.

While his theory remained intact, his strategic outlook for getting from here to there underwent many iterations, the last of which before his untimely death in 1995 landed him with an association with the burgeoning movement that eventually brought Trump to power, though there is every reason to believe that Rothbard would have regarded Trump as he did both Nixon and Reagan. He saw them both as opportunists who talked a good game – though never consistently – and ultimately betrayed their bases with anti-establishment talk without the principle reality.

One way to understand his seeming shifts over time is the simple point with which I began this reflection. Rothbard dreamed of a free society, but he was never content with theory alone. Like the major intellectual activists who influenced him (Frank Chodorov, Ludwig von Mises, and Ayn Rand) he believed in making a difference in his own time within the intellectual and political firmament he was given. This drove him toward ever more skepticism of corporate power and the privileges of the power elite in general. By the time of his death, he had traveled a distance very far from the simple binaries of his youth, which he had to do in order to make sense of them them in the face of grim realities of the 1960s through the 1990s.

Would he have been shocked as I have been about the apostasies of Big Tech? Somehow I doubt it. He saw the same thing with the industrial giants of his own time, and fought them with all his strength, a passion that led him to shifting alliances all in the interest of pushing his main cause, which was the emancipation of the human population from the forces of oppression and violence all around us. Rothbard was the Enemy of the State. Many people have even noted the similarities of Gene Hackman’s character in the movie.

The astonishing policy trends of our time are truly calling on all of us to rethink our political and ideological opinions, as simple and settled as they might have been. For this reason, Brownstone publishes thinkers on all sides. We are all disaffected in our own ways. And we know now that nothing will be the same.

Do we give up? Never. During lockdowns and medical mandates, the power of the state and its corporate allies truly reached its apotheosis, and failed us miserably. Our times cry out for justice, for clarity, and for making a difference to save ourselves and our civilization. We should approach this great project with our eyes wide open and with ears to hear different points of view on how we get from here to there.


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publicduende wrote:
September 24th, 2022, 10:41 pm
I like the recent spate of deep and intellectual threads that have popped up in the forum. It's the kind of stuff I usually love to roll in, like a pig in fresh mud. I wish I had the time to engage more...

Anyway, in this spirit, I would like to share a particularly good article about the real tech-authoritarian agenda of Big Tech. The classical definition of Fascism is that of an industrial policy that fuses the government (political power) with the ownership of the means of production (industrial power). It does not postulate how this fusion is achieved.

The Communist way has been to nationalise large industrial conglomerates, often against the will of their legitimate owners, and often resulting in disastrous decline in quality, output, innovation and entrepreneurial spirit. Ayn Rand made a lot of critique against this, in her semi-fictional Atlas Shrugged. At the times of Ayn Rand (the roaring 20s), Americans looked at conservative thinkers and politicians as the gatekeepers of the free markets and the liberal economic policies that were seen as the propeller of modern progress. This, in stark contrast with the horror stories coming from Bolshevik Russia.

Looking at the phenomenon now, it's clear that it's the political establishment that has long been subservient to the industrial (tech) elites, not vice-versa. Fascist dynamics are in full play, but in reverse: Big Tech and tech-driven industrial conglomerates are a form of transnational authority that exercises power through the laws of marketing and consumerism. They have long realised that a society without great spiritual aspirations, who works hard and makes good money yet lives in a state of economic subordination and compliance with the diktat of consumerism (ads, influencers, trends, the "current thing", etc.), cannot fully exist without a set of matching liberal policies. Unlike in the 20s, they prefer to keep their power "soft", letting the politicians they sponsor and pay do the dirty work.

In a mechanical metaphor, the politics are the switches and big tech are the engines that get triggered, full throttle, as soon as the switches go off.

We live in a state of liberal fascism, which is even more odious than the one proclaimed by Mussolini and Hitler. At least, for all the hypocrisy going on, the former fascism had some allegiance to the moral foundation of modern civilisations, perhaps inspired by the Roman imperial model: God, Motherland, and Family. Liberal fascism of today conjugates the monopoly of thought of Hitler with the worst nihilism of Marxist origin. We are free from everything, even from our own morals, from what makes us human. Without any spiritual reflection and deep knowledge to back it, individual critical thinking has reduced itself to collectively herding around "supporting the current thing" and condemning whoever won't comply. We are not only told how to think, but also how to feel. This is worst than any literary dystopia we have ever conjured up.

Image

Anyway...here's the article.

---

https://brownstone.org/articles/how-cou ... -big-tech/

How Could We Have Been So Naive about Big Tech?
BY JEFFREY A. TUCKER
AUGUST 22, 2022

The 1998 movie Enemy of the State starring Gene Hackman and Will Smith seemed like fiction at the time. Why I didn’t regard that movie – which still holds up in nearly every detail – as a warning I do not know. It pulls back the curtain on the close working relationship between national security agencies and the communications industry – spying, censorship, blackmailing, and worse. Today, it seems not just a warning but a description of reality.

There is no longer any doubt at all about the symbiotic relationship between Big Tech – the digital communications industry in particular – and government. The only issue we need to debate is which of the two sectors are more decisive in driving the loss of privacy, free speech, and liberty in general.

Not only that: I’ve been involved in many debates over the years, always taking the side of technology over those who warned of the coming dangers. I was a believer, a techno-utopian and could not see where this was headed.

The lockdowns were the great shock for me, not only for the unconscionably draconian policies imposed on the country so quickly. The shock was intensified by how all the top tech companies immediately enlisted in the war on freedom of association. Why? Some combination of industry ideology, which shifted over 30 years from a founding libertarian ethos to become a major force for techno-tyranny, plus industry self-interest (how better to promote digital media consumption than to force half the workforce to stay home?) were at work.

For me personally, it feels like betrayal of the most profound sort. Only 12 years ago, I was still celebrating the dawning of the Jetsons World and dripping with disdain for the Luddites among us who refused to get with it and buy and depend on all the latest gizmos. It seemed inconceivable to me at the time that such wonderful tools could ever be taken over by power and used as a means of social and economic control. The whole idea of the Internet was to overthrow the old order of imposition and control! The Internet was anarchy, to my mind, and therefore had some built-in resistance to all attempts to monopolize it.

And yet here we are. Just this weekend, The New York Times carries a terrifying story about a California tech professional who, on request, texted a doctor’s office a picture of his son’s infection that required a state of undress, and then found himself without email, documents, and even a phone number. An algorithm made the decision. Google has yet to admit wrongdoing. It’s one story but emblematic of a massive threat that affects all our lives.

Amazon servers are reserved only for the politically compliant, while Twitter’s censorship at explicit behest of the CDC/NIH is legion. Facebook and Instagram can and does bodybag anyone who steps out of line, and the same is true of YouTube. Those companies make up the bulk of all Internet traffic. As for escaping, any truly private email cannot be domiciled in the US, and our one-time friend the smartphone operates now as the most reliable citizen surveillance tool in history.

In retrospect, it’s rather obvious that this would happen because it has happened with every other technology in history, from weaponry to industrial manufacturing. What begins as a tool of mass liberation and citizen empowerment eventually comes to be nationalized by the state working with the largest and most politically connected firms. World War I was the best illustration of just such an outrage in the 20th century: the munitions manufacturers were the only real winners of that one, while the state acquired new powers of which it never really let go.

It’s hard to appreciate just what a shock that “Great War” was to a whole generation of liberal intellectuals. My mentor Murray Rothbard wrote an extremely thoughtful reflection on the naive liberalism of Victorian-age techno enthusiasts, circa 1880-1910. This was a generation that saw progress emancipation on every front: the end of slavery, a burgeoning middle class, the crumbling of the old aristocracies of power, and new technologies. All these enabled the mass production of steel, cities rising to the heavens, electricity and lighting everywhere, flight, and countless consumer improvements from indoor plumbing and heating to mass availability of food that enabled enormous demographic shifts.

Reading the greats from that period, their optimism about the future was palpable. One of my favorite writers, Mark Twain, held such a view. His moral outrage toward the Spanish-American War, the remnants of family feuds in the South, and reactionary class-based biases were everywhere in his writings, always with a sense of profound disapproval that these signs of revanchist thinking and behaving were surely one generation away from full expiration. He shared in the naivete of the times. He simply could not have imagined the carnage of the coming total war that made the Spanish-American war look like a practice drill. The same outlook on the future was held by of Oscar Wilde, William Graham Sumner, William Gladstone, Auberon Herbert, Lord Acton, Hillaire Belloc, Herbert Spencer, and all the rest.

Rothbard’s view was that their excessive optimism, their intuitive sense of the inevitability of the victory of liberty and democracy, and their overarching naivete toward the uses of technology actually contributed to the decline and fall of what they considered civilization. Their confidence in the beautiful future – and their underestimate of the malice of states and the docility of the public – created a mindset that was less driven to work for truth than it otherwise would have been. They positioned themselves as observers of ever-increasing progress of peace and well-being. They were the Whigs who implicitly accepted a Hegelian-style view of their invincibility of their causes.

Of Herbert Spencer, for example, Rothbard wrote this scathing criticism:

Spencer began as a magnificently radical liberal, indeed virtually a pure libertarian. But, as the virus of sociology and Social Darwinism took over in his soul, Spencer abandoned libertarianism as a dynamic historical movement, although at first without abandoning it in pure theory. In short, while looking forward to an eventual ideal of pure liberty, Spencer began to see its victory as inevitable, but only after millenia of gradual evolution, and thus, in actual fact, Spencer abandoned Liberalism as a fighting, radical creed; and confined his Liberalism in practice to a weary, rear-guard action against the growing collectivism of the late nineteenth-century. Interestingly enough, Spencer’s tired shift “rightward” in strategy soon became a shift rightward in theory as well; so that Spencer abandoned pure liberty even in theory.

Rothbard was so sensitive to this problem due to the strange times in which his ideological outlook took shape. He experienced his own struggle in coming to terms with the way in which the brutality of real-time politics poisons the purity of ideological idealism.

The bulk of the Rothbardian paradigm had been complete by the time he finished his PhD in economics from Columbia University. By 1963-1964, he published his massive economic treatise, a reconstruction of the economics of the origins of the Great Depression, and put together the core of the binary that became his legacy: history is best understood as a competitive struggle between market and state. One of his best books on political economy – Power and Market – that appeared years later was actually written in this period but not published because the publisher found it too controversial.

Implicit in this outlook was a general presumption of the universal merit of free enterprise compared with the unrelenting depredations of the state. It has the ring of truth in most areas of life: the small business compared with the plotting and scamming of politics, the productivity and creativity of entrepreneurs vs the lies and manipulations of bureaucratic armies, the grimness of inflation, taxation, and war vs the peaceful trading relationships of commercial life. Based on this outlook, he became the 20th century’s foremost advocate of what became anarcho-capitalism.

Rothbard also distinguished himself in those years for never joining the Right in becoming a champion of the Cold War. Instead he saw war as the worst feature of statism, something to be avoided by any free society. Whereas he once published in the pages of National Review, he later found himself as the victim of a fatwa by Russia-hating and bomb-loving conservatives and thereby began to forge his own school of thought that took over the name libertarian, which had only recently been revived by people who preferred the name liberal but realized that this term had long been appropriated by its enemies.

What happened next challenged the Rothbardian binary. It was not lost on him that the major driving force beyond the building of the Cold War security state was private enterprise itself. And the conservative champions of free enterprise had utterly failed to distinguish between private-sector forces that thrive independently of the state and those who not only live off the state but exercise a decisive influence in further fastening the yoke of tyranny on the population through war, conscription, and general industrial monopolization. Seeing his own binary challenged in real life drove him to found an intellectual project embodied in his journal Left and Right, which opened in 1965 and ran until 1968. Here we find some of the most challenging writing and analysis of the second half of the twentieth century.

The first issue featured what might be his most mighty essay on political history: “Left, Right, and the Prospects for Liberty.” This essay came from a period in which Rothbard warmed up to the left simply because it was only on this side of the political spectrum where he found skepticism of the Cold War narrative, outrage at industrial monopolization, disgust at reactionary militarism and conscription, dogged opposition to violations of civil liberties. and generalized opposition to the despotism of the age. His new friends on the left in those days were very different from the woke/lockdown left of today, obviously. But in time, Rothbard too soured on them and their persistence in economic ignorance and un-nuanced hatred of capitalism in general and not just the crony variety.

So on it went through the decades as Rothbard was drawn ever more toward understanding class as a valuable desiderata of political dynamics, large corporate interests in a hand-in-glove relationship to the state, and the contrast between elites and common people as an essential heuristic to pile on top of his old state vs market binary. As he worked this out more fully, he came to adopt many of the political tropes we now associate with populism, but Rothbard was never fully comfortable in that position either. He rejected crude nationalism and populism, knew better than anyone of the dangers of the Right, and was well aware of the excesses of democracy.

While his theory remained intact, his strategic outlook for getting from here to there underwent many iterations, the last of which before his untimely death in 1995 landed him with an association with the burgeoning movement that eventually brought Trump to power, though there is every reason to believe that Rothbard would have regarded Trump as he did both Nixon and Reagan. He saw them both as opportunists who talked a good game – though never consistently – and ultimately betrayed their bases with anti-establishment talk without the principle reality.

One way to understand his seeming shifts over time is the simple point with which I began this reflection. Rothbard dreamed of a free society, but he was never content with theory alone. Like the major intellectual activists who influenced him (Frank Chodorov, Ludwig von Mises, and Ayn Rand) he believed in making a difference in his own time within the intellectual and political firmament he was given. This drove him toward ever more skepticism of corporate power and the privileges of the power elite in general. By the time of his death, he had traveled a distance very far from the simple binaries of his youth, which he had to do in order to make sense of them them in the face of grim realities of the 1960s through the 1990s.

Would he have been shocked as I have been about the apostasies of Big Tech? Somehow I doubt it. He saw the same thing with the industrial giants of his own time, and fought them with all his strength, a passion that led him to shifting alliances all in the interest of pushing his main cause, which was the emancipation of the human population from the forces of oppression and violence all around us. Rothbard was the Enemy of the State. Many people have even noted the similarities of Gene Hackman’s character in the movie.

The astonishing policy trends of our time are truly calling on all of us to rethink our political and ideological opinions, as simple and settled as they might have been. For this reason, Brownstone publishes thinkers on all sides. We are all disaffected in our own ways. And we know now that nothing will be the same.

Do we give up? Never. During lockdowns and medical mandates, the power of the state and its corporate allies truly reached its apotheosis, and failed us miserably. Our times cry out for justice, for clarity, and for making a difference to save ourselves and our civilization. We should approach this great project with our eyes wide open and with ears to hear different points of view on how we get from here to there.
Hey @publicduende I've always said that democracy is just theatre. It doesn't matter who you vote for because whoever it is will just put forward policies set by corporations and "philanthropists" like Bill Gates.

I don't know if you saw in another thread about the covid jab where I ranted about Bill Gates and how the evil piece of shit had the President of India pass legislation which forced Indian farmers to use Monsanto products. Bill Gates had them driven off their own land and then purchased it all following their suicides.

Here is a video Russel Brand made about the issue with big business trying to take the agriculture from Indian farmers.
[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fg0c2x74mgU&t=16s[/youtube]

I mean, isn't that just an outright affront to the idea of democracy? People like @flowerthief01 (if he's even around anymore) defend democracy and they never stop to think how big corporations just force these government representatives to do whatever they want anyway.

But yeah, The Gates Foundation is the second-largest contributor to the WHO. As of September 2021, it had invested investing nearly $780 million in its programs.

Have you looked into the WEF and The Great Reset before? That's pretty interesting. Basically the taxpayers fund all these government officials from around the world, including our enemies like China and big corporate "philanthropists" like Bill Gates to attend at Davos and there they discuss the direction the planet is going to go in.

I will give the article a read when I get more time and come back with some more feedback. I've also been drafting some notes for a thread criticising capitalism. I'll be sure to tag you in it, it might be something you will enjoy talking about.
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Re: How Could We Have Been So Naive about Big Tech?

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Pixel--Dude wrote:
September 28th, 2022, 12:19 pm
Hey @publicduende I've always said that democracy is just theatre. It doesn't matter who you vote for because whoever it is will just put forward policies set by corporations and "philanthropists" like Bill Gates.

I don't know if you saw in another thread about the covid jab where I ranted about Bill Gates and how the evil piece of shit had the President of India pass legislation which forced Indian farmers to use Monsanto products. Bill Gates had them driven off their own land and then purchased it all following their suicides.

Here is a video Russel Brand made about the issue with big business trying to take the agriculture from Indian farmers.
[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fg0c2x74mgU&t=16s[/youtube]

I mean, isn't that just an outright affront to the idea of democracy? People like @flowerthief01 (if he's even around anymore) defend democracy and they never stop to think how big corporations just force these government representatives to do whatever they want anyway.

But yeah, The Gates Foundation is the second-largest contributor to the WHO. As of September 2021, it had invested investing nearly $780 million in its programs.

Have you looked into the WEF and The Great Reset before? That's pretty interesting. Basically the taxpayers fund all these government officials from around the world, including our enemies like China and big corporate "philanthropists" like Bill Gates to attend at Davos and there they discuss the direction the planet is going to go in.

I will give the article a read when I get more time and come back with some more feedback. I've also been drafting some notes for a thread criticising capitalism. I'll be sure to tag you in it, it might be something you will enjoy talking about.
@Pixel--Dude thanks for replying.

I am not a conspiracy theorist per se but the worrying phenomenon I see is how easy it is to label as a "conspiracy theorist" anyone, and I mean anyone who has sufficient time and/or curiosity, or intellectual honesty, to check out non-mainstream sources.

Of course I am aware of the Great Reset theory. If Covid 19 was an attempt to weaponise a virus to that effect, TPTB have miserably failed. Human biology, not to mention Mother Nature, are infinitely more gracious than what a bunch of billionaire sociopaths may be up to.
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September 29th, 2022, 9:10 pm


I am not a conspiracy theorist per se but the worrying phenomenon I see is how easy it is to label as a "conspiracy theorist" anyone, and I mean anyone who has sufficient time and/or curiosity, or intellectual honesty, to check out non-mainstream sources.
That was the idea when the CIA invented the term in the '60s -- to quickly marginalize dissenting voices. Operation Mockingbird brought sufficient numbers of complicit media on board.
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gsjackson wrote:
September 30th, 2022, 4:32 am
That was the idea when the CIA invented the term in the '60s -- to quickly marginalize dissenting voices. Operation Mockingbird brought sufficient numbers of complicit media on board.
I know @gsjackson, but it's insane. It's like accusing someone who is maybe 5 kilos above their ideal weight to be "massively overweight", and forcing them to undergo bariatric surgery to "normalise". :)

The problem with this time and age is that all sorts of information, from the staunchest item of propaganda to the wackiest theory, are all accessible on the Internet for free. The former is freely accessible because TPTB want the official truth to spread as quickly as possible. The vast spectrum that goes from unbiased, quality investigative journalism (a la Global Research) to utterly implausible conspiracy theories is also free because their producers and agents care more about combating the propaganda than making extra bucks.

Information is always there, and TPTB know it. Since they can't, at least not overtly, censor the Internet, they prefer putting the majority of us on the most alienating, exhausting work/eat/sleep routine possible, so spare time and a fresh mind become a luxury we can no longer afford. And "they" know that, without the spare time and a fresh mind, our, often innate, critical spirit and truth-seeking curiosity can be silenced, anesthesized for very long periods of time.
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publicduende wrote:
September 30th, 2022, 7:22 am
gsjackson wrote:
September 30th, 2022, 4:32 am
That was the idea when the CIA invented the term in the '60s -- to quickly marginalize dissenting voices. Operation Mockingbird brought sufficient numbers of complicit media on board.
I know @gsjackson, but it's insane. It's like accusing someone who is maybe 5 kilos above their ideal weight to be "massively overweight", and forcing them to undergo bariatric surgery to "normalise". :)

The problem with this time and age is that all sorts of information, from the staunchest item of propaganda to the wackiest theory, are all accessible on the Internet for free. The former is freely accessible because TPTB want the official truth to spread as quickly as possible. The vast spectrum that goes from unbiased, quality investigative journalism (a la Global Research) to utterly implausible conspiracy theories is also free because their producers and agents care more about combating the propaganda than making extra bucks.

Information is always there, and TPTB know it. Since they can't, at least not overtly, censor the Internet, they prefer putting the majority of us on the most alienating, exhausting work/eat/sleep routine possible, so spare time and a fresh mind become a luxury we can no longer afford. And "they" know that, without the spare time and a fresh mind, our, often innate, critical spirit and truth-seeking curiosity can be silenced, anesthesized for very long periods of time.
I've read the article, not realising that the contents were part of your original post which I had already read. I agree with what the author is saying. Big Tech has aligned itself with government and mainstream media because all of their interests align.

The WEF and "philanthropists" like Bill Gates have been getting governments around the world to introduce legislation which ushers in their desired new world. Where we will own nothing and be happy. Which is an order, not a prediction.

I honestly despise these people with every fibre of my being. And I'm reaching the pinnacle of frustration where my hatred is starting to extend to those too ignorant or too lazy to look around them, see what's happening and acknowledge the f***ing truth!

But yeah, that's what they do! Work us like slaves and keep brainwashing us with artificial notions of "freedom" and "democracy"! The American Dream :lol:

Then, when you're body is physically exhausted and your mind is physically exhausted, you get to retire from the slave system and sit freezing cold under a blanket unable to pay your bills whilst the elite are on television encouraging people to get bullshit jabs to protect the elderly. I honestly feel like I'm living in a f***ing circus.
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
September 30th, 2022, 7:43 am
I've read the article, not realising that the contents were part of your original post which I had already read. I agree with what the author is saying. Big Tech has aligned itself with government and mainstream media because all of their interests align.

The WEF and "philanthropists" like Bill Gates have been getting governments around the world to introduce legislation which ushers in their desired new world. Where we will own nothing and be happy. Which is an order, not a prediction.

I honestly despise these people with every fibre of my being. And I'm reaching the pinnacle of frustration where my hatred is starting to extend to those too ignorant or too lazy to look around them, see what's happening and acknowledge the f***ing truth!

But yeah, that's what they do! Work us like slaves and keep brainwashing us with artificial notions of "freedom" and "democracy"! The American Dream :lol:

Then, when you're body is physically exhausted and your mind is physically exhausted, you get to retire from the slave system and sit freezing cold under a blanket unable to pay your bills whilst the elite are on television encouraging people to get bullshit jabs to protect the elderly. I honestly feel like I'm living in a f***ing circus.
Sorry, I should have make it clearer that the article proper starts after the barcode/jail picture. I just wanted to drop one or two thoughts of mine which seemed relevant to me.

I think it's quite a unique turn of events in the history of humanity, that a form of fascism is born, where it's not the industrial power that is rendered subservient to the will of a strong, omnipresent State, but the opposite.

The only other examples I can imagine were the British and Dutch East India companies, which were left to become so large and powerful that could be considered independent political entities: they would issue their own money, in fact their own debt instruments, they had their own hierarchy, even their own private army.

Still, they were never able, indeed were never allowed, to override the power of the British or Dutch governments. This, despite bringing untold wealth back to the public coffers, in the form of taxes.

What we are witnessing now is truly a first. Companies use the soft power of technology and digital information (or manipulation thereof) to create agendas that transcend any one country, any one society, any one culture. If we read what Bill Gates or the Zuck, and their political acolytes like Klaus Schwab, have in mind for our future, we see a future that is post-historical, post-political...post-human.
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
September 30th, 2022, 7:43 am
publicduende wrote:
September 30th, 2022, 7:22 am
gsjackson wrote:
September 30th, 2022, 4:32 am
That was the idea when the CIA invented the term in the '60s -- to quickly marginalize dissenting voices. Operation Mockingbird brought sufficient numbers of complicit media on board.
I know @gsjackson, but it's insane. It's like accusing someone who is maybe 5 kilos above their ideal weight to be "massively overweight", and forcing them to undergo bariatric surgery to "normalise". :)

The problem with this time and age is that all sorts of information, from the staunchest item of propaganda to the wackiest theory, are all accessible on the Internet for free. The former is freely accessible because TPTB want the official truth to spread as quickly as possible. The vast spectrum that goes from unbiased, quality investigative journalism (a la Global Research) to utterly implausible conspiracy theories is also free because their producers and agents care more about combating the propaganda than making extra bucks.

Information is always there, and TPTB know it. Since they can't, at least not overtly, censor the Internet, they prefer putting the majority of us on the most alienating, exhausting work/eat/sleep routine possible, so spare time and a fresh mind become a luxury we can no longer afford. And "they" know that, without the spare time and a fresh mind, our, often innate, critical spirit and truth-seeking curiosity can be silenced, anesthesized for very long periods of time.
I've read the article, not realising that the contents were part of your original post which I had already read. I agree with what the author is saying. Big Tech has aligned itself with government and mainstream media because all of their interests align.

The WEF and "philanthropists" like Bill Gates have been getting governments around the world to introduce legislation which ushers in their desired new world. Where we will own nothing and be happy. Which is an order, not a prediction.

I honestly despise these people with every fibre of my being. And I'm reaching the pinnacle of frustration where my hatred is starting to extend to those too ignorant or too lazy to look around them, see what's happening and acknowledge the f***ing truth!

But yeah, that's what they do! Work us like slaves and keep brainwashing us with artificial notions of "freedom" and "democracy"! The American Dream :lol:

Then, when you're body is physically exhausted and your mind is physically exhausted, you get to retire from the slave system and sit freezing cold under a blanket unable to pay your bills whilst the elite are on television encouraging people to get bullshit jabs to protect the elderly. I honestly feel like I'm living in a f***ing circus.
You're not alone with this feeling, I honestly feel violent rage toward people like Bill Gates and that Swachb maggot. The people around us don't even care. Cuckolds and predators that prey on weak and vulnerable people aren't warriors. Feminist aren't warriors, blacks that love being exploited by Jews and constantly vote democrat every time these assholes mention racism are f***ing idiots that will never stop supporting them right up there with the self loathing whites who are also useless as hell. I wish there was somewhere I could go but people seem to forget all this shit is global it's not just the United States. That's why they want a One World Government. That means a group of assholes get to control every nation on earth and none of the current governments over those countries will have a say in anything anymore. Their culture, core beliefs, heritage, none of that stuff would matter. The fact is we live in a world today where people are willing to comply, in order for them to even realize wtf is going on, hordes of people need to die in massive numbers, I'm talking billions or hundreds of millions.
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publicduende wrote:
September 30th, 2022, 10:04 am
Pixel--Dude wrote:
September 30th, 2022, 7:43 am
I've read the article, not realising that the contents were part of your original post which I had already read. I agree with what the author is saying. Big Tech has aligned itself with government and mainstream media because all of their interests align.

The WEF and "philanthropists" like Bill Gates have been getting governments around the world to introduce legislation which ushers in their desired new world. Where we will own nothing and be happy. Which is an order, not a prediction.

I honestly despise these people with every fibre of my being. And I'm reaching the pinnacle of frustration where my hatred is starting to extend to those too ignorant or too lazy to look around them, see what's happening and acknowledge the f***ing truth!

But yeah, that's what they do! Work us like slaves and keep brainwashing us with artificial notions of "freedom" and "democracy"! The American Dream :lol:

Then, when you're body is physically exhausted and your mind is physically exhausted, you get to retire from the slave system and sit freezing cold under a blanket unable to pay your bills whilst the elite are on television encouraging people to get bullshit jabs to protect the elderly. I honestly feel like I'm living in a f***ing circus.
Sorry, I should have make it clearer that the article proper starts after the barcode/jail picture. I just wanted to drop one or two thoughts of mine which seemed relevant to me.

I think it's quite a unique turn of events in the history of humanity, that a form of fascism is born, where it's not the industrial power that is rendered subservient to the will of a strong, omnipresent State, but the opposite.

The only other examples I can imagine were the British and Dutch East India companies, which were left to become so large and powerful that could be considered independent political entities: they would issue their own money, in fact their own debt instruments, they had their own hierarchy, even their own private army.

Still, they were never able, indeed were never allowed, to override the power of the British or Dutch governments. This, despite bringing untold wealth back to the public coffers, in the form of taxes.

What we are witnessing now is truly a first. Companies use the soft power of technology and digital information (or manipulation thereof) to create agendas that transcend any one country, any one society, any one culture. If we read what Bill Gates or the Zuck, and their political acolytes like Klaus Schwab, have in mind for our future, we see a future that is post-historical, post-political...post-human.
I think that they are working towards forcing an economic collapse so they can portray themselves as the solution to their own manufactured problem. They will force everyone into abject poverty and then propose their new system which will give corporate industrialists absolute power. That's the angle. To consolidate their own power before the workers realise something is amiss.

That's why they've manufactured a fake pandemic and the war in Ukraine to justify a cost of living crisis and a shortage of food and energy. Also wouldn't be surprised if the idea is to kill off massive amounts of people at the same time. The elderly and the sick died in huge numbers because they were unable to receive treatment they needed for cancer and other serious disease.

In a capitalist system with growing technological advancements they know that automation of labour and the emancipation of the work force is the next logical step. However, this is a negative thing unless we transcend capitalism and implement a new system. The elites and industrialists know that they are obsolete without capitalism, so their best option is to consolidate their own power and completely eliminate any competition. This is why these big corporations have put their resources together to increase surveillance and simultaneously get involved with politics.

Imagine their envisaged world, where even the most business minded individuals who strive for success and want to start their own business will not be able to because they can't own anything. Only big corporations own everything. What we are heading towards is a complete dystopia! Indeed, I already believe we are living in one.

Did you read about the doorbell and camera Amazon brought out? Apparently Amazon record 24/7 and they can send the footage directly to the police without the consent of the home owner. Imagine that in another lockdown! Amazon would inform the police the moment you leave your home!
WanderingProtagonist wrote:
September 30th, 2022, 1:28 pm
Pixel--Dude wrote:
September 30th, 2022, 7:43 am
publicduende wrote:
September 30th, 2022, 7:22 am
gsjackson wrote:
September 30th, 2022, 4:32 am
That was the idea when the CIA invented the term in the '60s -- to quickly marginalize dissenting voices. Operation Mockingbird brought sufficient numbers of complicit media on board.
I know @gsjackson, but it's insane. It's like accusing someone who is maybe 5 kilos above their ideal weight to be "massively overweight", and forcing them to undergo bariatric surgery to "normalise". :)

The problem with this time and age is that all sorts of information, from the staunchest item of propaganda to the wackiest theory, are all accessible on the Internet for free. The former is freely accessible because TPTB want the official truth to spread as quickly as possible. The vast spectrum that goes from unbiased, quality investigative journalism (a la Global Research) to utterly implausible conspiracy theories is also free because their producers and agents care more about combating the propaganda than making extra bucks.

Information is always there, and TPTB know it. Since they can't, at least not overtly, censor the Internet, they prefer putting the majority of us on the most alienating, exhausting work/eat/sleep routine possible, so spare time and a fresh mind become a luxury we can no longer afford. And "they" know that, without the spare time and a fresh mind, our, often innate, critical spirit and truth-seeking curiosity can be silenced, anesthesized for very long periods of time.
I've read the article, not realising that the contents were part of your original post which I had already read. I agree with what the author is saying. Big Tech has aligned itself with government and mainstream media because all of their interests align.

The WEF and "philanthropists" like Bill Gates have been getting governments around the world to introduce legislation which ushers in their desired new world. Where we will own nothing and be happy. Which is an order, not a prediction.

I honestly despise these people with every fibre of my being. And I'm reaching the pinnacle of frustration where my hatred is starting to extend to those too ignorant or too lazy to look around them, see what's happening and acknowledge the f***ing truth!

But yeah, that's what they do! Work us like slaves and keep brainwashing us with artificial notions of "freedom" and "democracy"! The American Dream :lol:

Then, when you're body is physically exhausted and your mind is physically exhausted, you get to retire from the slave system and sit freezing cold under a blanket unable to pay your bills whilst the elite are on television encouraging people to get bullshit jabs to protect the elderly. I honestly feel like I'm living in a f***ing circus.
You're not alone with this feeling, I honestly feel violent rage toward people like Bill Gates and that Swachb maggot. The people around us don't even care. Cuckolds and predators that prey on weak and vulnerable people aren't warriors. Feminist aren't warriors, blacks that love being exploited by Jews and constantly vote democrat every time these assholes mention racism are f***ing idiots that will never stop supporting them right up there with the self loathing whites who are also useless as hell. I wish there was somewhere I could go but people seem to forget all this shit is global it's not just the United States. That's why they want a One World Government. That means a group of assholes get to control every nation on earth and none of the current governments over those countries will have a say in anything anymore. Their culture, core beliefs, heritage, none of that stuff would matter. The fact is we live in a world today where people are willing to comply, in order for them to even realize wtf is going on, hordes of people need to die in massive numbers, I'm talking billions or hundreds of millions.
We are absolutely on the same page on this @WanderingProtagonist! These assholes need their comeuppance for their crimes against humanity!

Everyone is worried about us standing on the precipice of world war three and atomic annihilation! But what they don't realise is that WWIII has already started! Only this time it isn't a war of artificial borders, it is a war of the classes! Pro Ukraine, Pro Russia, it makes no difference. They're all fighting for the same goal anyway!

@have2fly talked about this in another thread where he talked about the Ukrainian war being funded by the Jews and about Putin being a Jewish bitch and following their agenda. They all meet at Davos every year even though they're supposed to be enemies. This war is all an act of theatre to drive people into absolute poverty and dependence on the state!

But despite what all these motherlicker pacifists say about peaceful protests and all the rest of it, a violent struggle is what is necessary to secure our freedom. Bill Gates and his friends Schwab and even Charles are enemies of the people. It is only natural that we should feel violent hatred towards these industrialist fuckers!
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