The Holocaust is a load of bull

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pandabear wrote:Okay, fine. The holocaust never happened. The Jooz were all protected and mollycoddled throughout the war. The "concentration camps" were actually 5-star resorts, with every possible amenity and luxury provided, including non-stop buffets and silk towels by the pool. Hitler went around and personally kissed Jewish babies.
Yeah, pretty much so. Auschwitz had gyms, swimming pools and a brothel for the exclusive use of the inmates. If a factory town like that opened up in the modern West, it would be deluged with applications for employment.

Of course the pictures of emaciated inmates taken at the end of the war you yourself helpfully posted provide conclusive proof that the camps were not extermination camps. Starving people are no use as workers, so such people would have been gassed long before they got to that stage, had killing them been the intention.


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Oh, the Nazis were sooooo sweet.
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MarcosZeitola wrote:
pandabear wrote:Okay, fine. The holocaust never happened. The Jooz were all protected and mollycoddled throughout the war. The "concentration camps" were actually 5-star resorts, with every possible amenity and luxury provided, including non-stop buffets and silk towels by the pool. Hitler went around and personally kissed Jewish babies.
The word "concentration camp" is wrongly used by a lot of believers in mainstream historical works; a concentration camp is NOT the same thing as a death camp or extermination camp. Concentration camps were first used by the British during the Boer wars, and many Boer women and children died in them of neglect. Killing the inhabitants is not the goal of a concentration camp. It is, as the name itself suggests, to keep and concetrate them in one area. This is what most of the concentration camps in the war did; keep and concentrate the Jews and other undesirables in one place.

Now the question: did the Nazi's murder Jews? Sure. They murdered Slavics, Poles, Gypsies, communists, partisans of all walks of life... so why not Jews? I have no reason to doubt that fact. What I believe people are rightfully questioning, is the amount of Jews that died. It is said that between 200,000 and 2 million Roma and Sinti were killed during the war. That's quite a huge gap! The reason for the uncertainty is explained by the gypsies being "poorly documented". One could argue that the Jews, especially the poor ghetto ones, were similarly poorly documented. So why then treat the number of six million as a holy number no one may touch, and make it such a huge taboo to critize it? A logical explanation would be that it serves the purposes of powerful Jewish and Zionist lobby groups to portray the number of those killed as higher then they really were.

At any rate, the fact that Jews were mistreated and killed is not something logical-minded people dispute. And to me, it's a shame so many poor and innocent Jews died. The Eastern European ones especially, to me, seemed like a very harmless bunch of people.

What is most tragic to me about the Holocaust is not the inflated or incorrect numbers, nor the unreasonable taboo on discussing these, but the fact that the same way the Armenian genocide failed to kill any Kardashians, the Holocaust failed to wipe out the Rothschilds of this world. All Hitler manage to do was catch some small fish, but the truly destructive Jews, the bankers, the financiers of wars, the lobbyists, got away scot-free and managed to milk the Holocaust and guilt-trip the European and American people into becoming even more powerful then before.
Very good points.
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Even who cares about the Jews? Everyone knows the Jews run the world. I met a Turkish taxi driver a few years ago. Much of our conversation took place in German. The rest of the world knows all about the Jewish lies. Why are we talking about Jews some 80 years later? Because they run the world. Legitimate genocide happened to many different ethnic groups, but since they don't control the media, academia, politics, governments and inaccurate versions of history and are mostly broke, we don't get to hear their stories. But they will remind us of the Jewish myths everyday of the week all of our lives.

I was watching a Hitler documentary on News Max channel the other day. It is quite obvious what an anti-NSDAP slant these people truly have. They leave out key details, and only talk about what Hitler did to the Jews. They never stopped to ask WHY and what the Jews did to the Germans.
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MarcosZeitola wrote:
pandabear wrote:Okay, fine. The holocaust never happened. The Jooz were all protected and mollycoddled throughout the war. The "concentration camps" were actually 5-star resorts, with every possible amenity and luxury provided, including non-stop buffets and silk towels by the pool. Hitler went around and personally kissed Jewish babies.
The word "concentration camp" is wrongly used by a lot of believers in mainstream historical works; a concentration camp is NOT the same thing as a death camp or extermination camp. Concentration camps were first used by the British during the Boer wars, and many Boer women and children died in them of neglect. Killing the inhabitants is not the goal of a concentration camp. It is, as the name itself suggests, to keep and concetrate them in one area. This is what most of the concentration camps in the war did; keep and concentrate the Jews and other undesirables in one place.

Now the question: did the Nazi's murder Jews? Sure. They murdered Slavics, Poles, Gypsies, communists, partisans of all walks of life... so why not Jews? I have no reason to doubt that fact. What I believe people are rightfully questioning, is the amount of Jews that died. It is said that between 200,000 and 2 million Roma and Sinti were killed during the war. That's quite a huge gap! The reason for the uncertainty is explained by the gypsies being "poorly documented". One could argue that the Jews, especially the poor ghetto ones, were similarly poorly documented. So why then treat the number of six million as a holy number no one may touch, and make it such a huge taboo to critize it? A logical explanation would be that it serves the purposes of powerful Jewish and Zionist lobby groups to portray the number of those killed as higher then they really were.

At any rate, the fact that Jews were mistreated and killed is not something logical-minded people dispute. And to me, it's a shame so many poor and innocent Jews died. The Eastern European ones especially, to me, seemed like a very harmless bunch of people.

What is most tragic to me about the Holocaust is not the inflated or incorrect numbers, nor the unreasonable taboo on discussing these, but the fact that the same way the Armenian genocide failed to kill any Kardashians, the Holocaust failed to wipe out the Rothschilds of this world. All Hitler manage to do was catch some small fish, but the truly destructive Jews, the bankers, the financiers of wars, the lobbyists, got away scot-free and managed to milk the Holocaust and guilt-trip the European and American people into becoming even more powerful then before.
Yeah but there was no such intention by Hitler and the Nazis. The goal was not to terminate Jewish lives. The goal was to get them out of Europe, because they collude and they are insidious. That's why the Third Reich even made a pact with the Jews to send as many as they could to Palestine. He wanted them out of Europe.

Listen here. The Jews were in power in Germany and were a fifth column within the government, destroying the German people. Hitler removed all of those Jews from their position of power in Germany. Worldwide Jewry then organized a world wide boycott of German goods, which was not good for the German economy. Okay fine, if the Jews are going to get the world to boycott Germany, well Germany will then boycott the Jews. That is why their shops were labeled. It was boycott for boycott. They never tell you that though.

The concentration camps were work camps. Eli Weisel and Anne Frank's stories are both proven to be frauds.
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I'm willing to concede the following points:

Jews are well represented in the American entertainment industry.

Jews generally have a strong interest in the holocaust, as many of them have relatives who were murdered in Europe.

There have been more movies about the holocaust than about other 20th century human tragedies, such as the Rape of Nanking, the ethnic cleansing of Germans from Eastern Europe, the Armenian genocide, Stalin's misdeeds, Mao's misdeeds, the genocide in Cambodia, and the Rwandan genocide.

American media tends to be supportive of Israel.

Jewish culture tends to emphasize academic achievement. Consequently, Jews are well represented in academic and scientific institutions. Lots of Jews have won Nobel prizes.
Yeah but there was no such intention by Hitler and the Nazis. The goal was not to terminate Jewish lives.
Wrong. You never heard of the "Final Solution?"
The goal was to get them out of Europe, because they collude and they are insidious.
And you pretend to be a "Christian?" Shame on you.
The Jews were in power in Germany and were a fifth column within the government, destroying the German people.
Nope. They did not go around killing Germans.
Worldwide Jewry then organized a world wide boycott of German goods, which was not good for the German economy. Okay fine, if the Jews are going to get the world to boycott Germany, well Germany will then boycott the Jews. That is why their shops were labeled. It was boycott for boycott. They never tell you that though.
Do you have a source for this nonsense?
The concentration camps were work camps.
Ah, yes. "Arbeit Macht Frei", so they say. Would you like to volunteer to join a concentration camp?
Eli Weisel and Anne Frank's stories are both proven to be frauds.
No they weren't.
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Adama wrote: Listen here. The Jews were in power in Germany and were a fifth column within the government, destroying the German people.
You could, in fact, hurl the same accusation at German Christians.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/weeki ... wanted=all
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droid wrote: The photographs in question at best would prove claim to the limited numbers of individuals presented, not six million.
Do you dispute the photos in this article?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... cuted.html

The research was done by a non-Jewish, French Catholic priest. 1.6 million Jews murdered in Ukraine alone.
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pandabear[quote] wrote:
Yeah but there was no such intention by Hitler and the Nazis. The goal was not to terminate Jewish lives.
Wrong. You never heard of the "Final Solution?"
The term "Final Solution [to the Jewish Problem/Question]" had been bandied about long before the Hollowhoax supposedly happened. It just meant that the tendency of the Jews to usurp control over key sectors of society and then use this control to screw over everyone else was an issue, and it was desirable to find a permanent solution to the issue. One might similarly speak of the unemployment question or the obesity question. Finding a permanent solution does not necessarily imply killing everyone.
The Jews were in power in Germany and were a fifth column within the government, destroying the German people.
Nope. They did not go around killing Germans.
They certainly did after the war. It hadn't quite come to that before the war, but they were certainly doing so in the Soviet Union. Most of the NKVD were Jews, and they killed white Russians by the million.
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Cornfed wrote:The term "Final Solution [to the Jewish Problem/Question]" had been bandied about long before the Hollowhoax supposedly happened. It just meant that the tendency of the Jews to usurp control over key sectors of society and then use this control to screw over everyone else was an issue, and it was desirable to find a permanent solution to the issue. One might similarly speak of the unemployment question or the obesity question. Finding a permanent solution does not necessarily imply killing everyone.
Hitler's solution was to kill everyone.
They certainly did after the war.
Most of the killing of Germans was done by Czechoslovaks, Poles, and Russians. Some Jews lent a hand.
It hadn't quite come to that before the war, but they were certainly doing so in the Soviet Union.
Source?
Most of the NKVD were Jews, and they killed white Russians by the million.
Do you have a source for the ethnic makeup of the NKVD?
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I found this.

http://vho.org/tr/2004/3/Rudolf325-327.html

During the early 1930s, a lot of the leaders of the NKVD (not a majority, but a fairly high number) were Jewish.

But,
"Jews were not as strongly represented when considering all staff members of the state security. On March 1, 1937, 7% of all employees of the state security system were Jews, and on January 1, 1941, this percentage shrank to 4%. During the years before the war, the principle used to select the cadre members for the nomenklatura lead to a massive change of the ethnic make-up of the NKVD apparatus. At that time, no specific politics to remove especially Jews from the state security existed as yet. That changed between 1950-1953, when the persecution of the MGB system was directed exclusively against Jews. Already in 1950, Jews made up only 1.5% of the entire strength of the operating cadre."
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pandabear wrote:
droid wrote: The photographs in question at best would prove claim to the limited numbers of individuals presented, not six million.
Do you dispute the photos in this article?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... cuted.html

The research was done by a non-Jewish, French Catholic priest. 1.6 million Jews murdered in Ukraine alone.
Yes, that article is more obvious appeal-to-emotion propaganda, and cheap at that. Showing pics of alleged jews in Ukrainian pogroms "proves" a nazi holocaust of millions?

Patrick Desbois is full of it. The alleged mass graves have not been really excavated, with the false excuse that "jewish faith prohibits exhumation".
One would think that if "jewish" mass graves are found, the right thing to do would be to identify the individuals, or at least take the the remains to israel.

There is only more appeals to emotion and doctored pictures in the related material and youtube videos. Look it up.

Here is his site
http://www.yahadinunum.org/background/?lang=en

He lists half-assed anecdotal non-evidence, supported by soviet archives, in an attempt to convince with "quantity"; also polish and ukranian pogroms/murders are mashed into all of it as proof of the general 'nazi crimes' narrative.
So i.e. more filler material= truth. Well, you're familiar with that technique lol

His book "The holocaust by bullets" contains the usual bullshit of this sort:
"Many witnesses recall that the earth heaved for days as victims tried to work their way out"
https://muse.jhu.edu/journals/hgs/summa ... trich.html

If anyone has a link to a pdf version, we can dissect it here in this thread.

Once again, where are the millions of bodies and/or thousands of tons of ash?
Generally, for a murder accusation there has to be at least a body, or a murder weapon, or documents showing intent or perpetration, but there is none.
Witness accounts of individual events have some weight but are no proof regarding the general claim of the holocaust.

You have no credibility pandabear.

Actually, I'm dissapointed, i thought fschmidt was going to educate us here, as he seems a smart and more or less reasonable guy. Instead we're stuck with this troll.
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
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MarcosZeitola wrote:Now the question: did the Nazi's murder Jews? Sure. They murdered Slavics, Poles, Gypsies, communists, partisans of all walks of life... so why not Jews? I have no reason to doubt that fact. What I believe people are rightfully questioning, is the amount of Jews that died.
That's a reasonable comment.
But not only the number, but intent as well is called into question, as far as the alleged official policy of ethnic extermination via gassing and other means at an industrial scale.
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
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droid wrote:But not only the number, but intent as well is called into question, as far as the alleged official policy of ethnic extermination via gassing and other means at an industrial scale.
You're just trolling. Even the actual Nazis admit that they had an official policy of ethnic extermination. Be gone, vile, disgusting Nazi filth!
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No, they didn't. Even orthodox Holocaust historians say that Nazis used "code language" in everything that made reference to the final solution, and never explicitly spoke of extermination. So its certainly debatable that the language was not in fact "code language" for extermination.
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