Moretorque wrote:kai1275 wrote:zboy1 wrote:skateboardstephen wrote:NeighborhoodNetBang wrote:Whites are at the top of the world, which is why White guys have it good. At the bottom you have Blacks who get rejected and live bad lives almost anywhere. This is why Blacks and non-Blacks can't coexist. Never have and never will.
I agree with this.Me and other black American men as well as White American men have observed this in Brazil as well...It only takes you 10 seconds from getting off the plane to figure out that blacks are at the bottom of society here..and the weird thing about it is that they seem content with just being at the bottom...and that shit just burns me up...You are right..i really am starting to think that Blacks really should build the countries they have in Africa instead of migrating to non-Black countries..because society will all ways try to push Blacks down to the bottom of society...even some of these Mulattoes,Mestiços and Pardos in Brazil with try to enforce their superiority over Blacks..despite them having a Black as coal grandmother...so even if blacks get in successful relationships with non-Blacks they sometimes still inadvertently create their own oppressors.
I've wholeheartedly agree with your comments, Skateboardstephen! If more Blacks and African Americans in general, would only give a damn, the entire African continent would be a thriving, prosperous place similar to a Hong Kong, Singapore, S. Korea or Japan. But unfortunately, Blacks only seem to want to immigrate to White countries without improving their birthplaces or countries-of-origin.
Imagine if Blacks were to return to their ancestral homelands and build their countries-up like what the overseas Chinese are doing with China, and overseas Asians in general. The entire African and the Caribbean region would benefit tremendously from this!
Also, Blacks are so fractious as a race--due to institutional racism and the White power structure--that it makes it difficult for them to unite as a group to improve the lives of the people living in the majority Black African/Caribbean countries (except for a small minority of Black groups like the Black Panthers and others...).
I truly believe that Marcus Garvey was a hero to all Black people everywhere, and that the U.S. government conspired against him in his failed attempt at repatriation back to Africa. It's too bad that Garvey did not get his dream realized because Africa would like a whole lot different today had he succeeded in his plan.
Zboy - You would know the answer to your questions if you read this book. Africa never developed for a variety of reasons laid out excellently by Dr. Diamond.
I have never read that book but I was reading the reviews and talked to someone about it, I would like to read it but from my lightly delving into it it appears alot of the thesis is HOG WASH!
Mr. 1275, Hog Wash point # 1 is the Chinese invented gun powder the cannon and gun.
Mr. 1275, Hog Wash point # 2 is the Chinese traveled the world and had guns but did not act in the manor the Europeans did.
Yes Mr. 1275 the Cracker has robbed rapped pillaged maimed and cheated everybody they came in contact with at gunpoint. How come the Chinese did not do this?
1. The Chinese, from my understanding (I studied and concentrated on 1500-2000 history in college fyi) created gun powder as we know it, mostly for fireworks. Show me something that provides proof otherwise.
2. No that is not hogwash. They did travel the f***ing world alot in the past. Chinese pirates were extremely prolific in seafaring. And yes they did not behave like Europeans due to the Emperor's control and other factors. You are going to have to be far more specific because that is a broad point.
3. Sigh. This has been covered by Diamond in one of his latest books about societies. I also have my own insights that I have argued with people like Harvard professors about as well. This really is not the topic for this question. I could explain that but lets not hijack zboy's topic like that.
I recommended this book to Zboy for the parts about Africa. Not Asia. There is a reason Africa never developed into the societies like many others is due to environment, no animals of burden, climate, geographical resources, foods, too many dangerous apex predators, forced nomadic lifestyles, etc.
Africans were very f***ing smart doing things Anglos and Asians never did like advanced irrigation systems, iron tools, etc. but too many other issues made it too difficult to advance. The more you study this, the more you realize that Africa as a continent sucks. Not the people the land itself. Just that f***ing continent. Nowadays with the technology most of it can be dealt with today, but back then, no.