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First I would like to say that Fred on everything is rather interesting to say the leas ! :D . But to my main points on why some people (not me, but just the reasoning behind why people do it) believe the Jews are evil.

- First, I don't believe central Bank or Hollywood help their reputation. But I don't think it is so much that it is a Jewish plot, but a plot in general. Let me use an example: alot of people on Wall St. say there is a Jewish cabal, which is true. Because when the Jews were ostracized, they developed networks to help one another, that continues to this day. Jews go to Jewish Banks (Goldman), and others go to non-Jewish Banks (JP Morgan). It does not mean there is a Jewish conspiracy, because if you look at the prime suspects for a one world order, they are equal in representation (JP Morgan (Christian), JD Rockefeller (Baptist), Mayer de Rothchild (Jewish), Du Pont's (Jewish), so to say it's a Jewish thing only is quite absurd.

-Second, there could be a case for the Jews killing Jesus, if a whole group of peoples thoughts are determined by a few individuals. You see, the Jewish religious leaders had a lot of governmental power given to them by Rome, and so if Jesus not only turn out to be a religious rebel, but a governmental one as well (there had been similar instances in the past, where it was both, and the claimed to be the Chosen One), then not only their religious rule would be threatened, but their autonomy and governmental rule would be threatened. And while this EXPLAINS why some people COULD blame the Jews, it should be stated that the responsibility lies on the individual (personal responsibility), and thus is not a tribal sin, but that of an individual. It would be like saying it is all of American's fault that we killed the Indians, when in fact it was the voters of the time, and the leaders of the time that are at fault.

-Third, I personally have no problem with Jews, but there is a problem with ultra-nationalism (Zionism), which I believe borders on Fascism. I think it is great the Jews can have a homeland, and I think that both sides should be sensitive to religious and social reasons why each has a claim to the land (such as the mandate given to Abraham). But it could be easily resolved by having Palestine be part of Israel, but governed by the people who live there. (Kind of like Hong Kong) But no, people want it there way or the highway, and so both fight over things their Prophets or Teachers said (probably half of which is misinterpreted), and continue to cause the stupidity we see. Then the Christians step in and put their nose where it does not belong (while it does say to help Israel, never did it explicitly state the idea of nationhood. But people misinterpret it and get the my way or the highway attitude. In addition, it said that Israel should not look to Egypt (the world metaphor), but to him. So what do Christans do? They become the world and help them, when it should be God they are looking to.), and cause a lot of pain for both sides (including Brothers in Christ, since many Palestinians are also Christians). So while I don't think your average Jew is evil I think Zionism, or any ultra-nationalism for that matter is. And you hear a lot of people get up in arms over people calling the Jews names, what about when Menachem Begin called non-Jews "pigs", and was involved in the bombing of the King David Hotel? Or what about the bombing of the USS Liberty? I could understand how some people could not like the Jews after those incidents, not that I condone that. I believe that both governments, and not the people of Palestine and Israel, are evil. So I don't go to either extreme.

I struggle with the last one the most. While I have no strong feeling of affection for either the Palestinian or Israeli governments, I do care about the people. But if I mention this, I am labeled as a Jew hater (and by people I love and otherwise agree with), and if you mention the Jewish lobby, don't get me started. I just hate all the religious vitriol from both sides. It is kind of funny, I see similar patterns in both Muslims (extremist), and Christians (Fundamentalist) , and if they were any other group would team up, but if you mention they act like the people they dislike, they would probably bite your head off.
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I would also like to vouch for Fred on Everything. It is an interesting site you should check out.
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Winston wrote:It can't be jealousy. Come on now. Jealous people don't hate with a deep passion for hundreds of years. There must be more to it than that. When you are jealous of someone, do you hate them with a deep passion for all history? There's got to be more to it than that. That's way too simplistic of an explanation and sounds more like a copout than looking deeper at it.
You are right Winston. You quoted me from 2 years ago and I have learned a lot since then, particularly about Christianity. I spent a year attending a Greek Orthodox church and studying Christian history. So I have a better understanding of why Christians hate Jews, and it's basically because Judaism exposes Christian lies.

Jesus was a Jew. He argued in favor of Torah law. After Jesus died, his brother James took over his movement. Jesus's followers were persecuted by a vicious assimilated Jew named Saul. Saul had them harassed and had at least one of them killed. Later Saul had a "conversion" and called himself a Christian and renamed himself Paul. This Paul never met Jesus, yet he is the one who came up with the idea that Jesus was the son of God and that Jesus's death was a sacrifice for the sins of mankind. These ideas came directly from the pagan religions of that time, many of which included stories of people who had one parent who was a god. These religions also included bloodthirsty gods that demanded human sacrifice, a concept completely alien to the Jewish god. Jesus's sacrifice fits the pattern of satisfying the blood-lust of a Roman god. Most of the New Testament is composed of Paul's writing. Paul never quotes Jesus, in fact it is pretty clear that Paul opposes everything that Jesus ever said. But Paul was successful in spreading his twisted religion because, as a hybrid between Judaism and Roman paganism, it had broad appeal. Rather than focusing on morality, as Judaism does, Christianity focuses on belief and on obedience to authority. This is why ruthless tyrants love Christianity, because they can always twist it to their goals, morality be damned. Judaism is an embarrassment to Christians because Christianity lays claim to the same god as Judaism and Judaism clearly shows the hypocrisy of this. The Catholic Church was particularly vicious and immoral. I don't think any other religion murdered as many people and committed as many sins as Catholicism has. Most of Protestantism wasn't much better, Martin Luther being a particularly vicious, ignorant, and immoral character. The only Christian movement that deserves praise are the Freemasons who resisted Catholic intolerance and immorality. So it is no wonder that Freemasons are also condemned by mainstream idiots. I think it is Freemason ideas that are primarily responsible for the modern world and for the success of Western culture.

So returning to your point, yes there are at least 2 reasons Jews are hated, jealousy and exposing Christian hypocrisy.
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I just remembered something. When I was in high school, I remember that one day we had an assembly where a Holocaust survivor came and told us his story. At the end of it, when he took questions, I raised my hand and asked "Why did the Nazis hate the Jews so much?" He looked a little uncomfortable and then said something like "You can't really make sense out of a question like that, because it is like asking a rational question of an irrational movement. When people are insane, you cannot make sense of their motivations. Therefore, the question itself doesn't make sense."

I wasn't really satisfied with that answer and felt like it was a dodge and copout. But I didn't say anymore, and neither did anyone else.

Why did he give such a copout answer? Is that the typical answer a Jewish person gives to this question? What do most Jews say when you ask them that question?
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Check out these comments on YouTube. Are they true?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKMVt7K4gPY

"Hitler's totally correct is right, I find this to be true even in personal relations with Jews at my place of work: oppressive, aloof and meddlesome. The western support for Israel is a measure of powerful Jewish lobbies in Britain & America pulling strings here & there. Hitler was right, he described with spectacular insight the Jewish psyche, of a people who have little empathy or remorse, a people with no scruples are not interested in morals only the outcomes of their deceits."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAzPQoUlUQE

"jews have been persecuted for precisely this reason, because they want to dominate, soon after they reach a very powerful position and start dominating the host country the revolt comes in and then jews are killed, thats why jews have always been hunted by people.jews do not want to live in peace with the goyim, they want to dominate us,so they basically say "either us or you"-to the death.its their choice,we just defend ourself when we are threatened ..same thing will happen soon.."

"Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset quoted in Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982 by Amnon Kapeliouk
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Winston wrote:Why did he give such a copout answer? Is that the typical answer a Jewish person gives to this question? What do most Jews say when you ask them that question?
Probably he didn't know the answer. But if he did, he may not have wanted to say the truth. The truth isn't going to be popular among the mainstream (Christians and lazy peasants), so what is the point of just pissing off the ignorant beasts more?
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Winston wrote:Check out these comments on YouTube. Are they true?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKMVt7K4gPY

"Hitler's totally correct is right, I find this to be true even in personal relations with Jews at my place of work: oppressive, aloof and meddlesome. The western support for Israel is a? measure of powerful Jewish lobbies in Britain & America pulling strings here & there. Hitler was right, he described with spectacular insight the Jewish psyche, of a people who have little empathy or remorse, a people with no scruples are not interested in morals only the outcomes of their deceits."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAzPQoUlUQE

"jews have been persecuted for precisely this reason, because they want to dominate, soon after they reach a very powerful position and start dominating the host country the revolt comes in? and then jews are killed, thats why jews have always been hunted by people.jews do not want to live in peace with the goyim, they want to dominate us,so they basically say "either us or you"-to the death.its their choice,we just defend ourself when we are threatened ..same thing will happen soon.."

"Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset quoted in Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982 by Amnon Kapeliouk
Winston, you are such a coward, you hardly ever respond to my posts. I do give you credit for being better than most, at least you haven't banned me yet. But the truth is that most of humanity is scum. Most forums simply ban anyone whose views differ from theirs. And the number of people willing to openly engage ideas contrary to their own is minuscule. I can answer all of your questions if you really want answers.

You say "I find this to be true even in personal relations with Jews at my place of work". Where do you work? I didn't know there were a significant number of Jews in the Philippines.

Anyone who doesn't like Jews should be a committed Zionist because the whole point of Zionism is to move Jews out of non-Jewish nations into Israel. The reason that Jew-haters aren't Zionists is because then they wouldn't have Jews to use as scapegoats for their problems. Jew-haters are just a bunch of hypocrites, nothing more.
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Wow...imagine I have only ever met one jew in my life...nice guy.

Anyway one time i spoke to a guy who was palestinian.He said he remembered the jews coming to the door of his house and telling his family they had three days to move out...no monetary compensation nothing..if they did not go they would be forced out...apparently thats what happened..the jews stole and beat and killed these palestinian families.
Funny how the history channel has jewish holoucast footage everyday and yet i have never seen anything about palestine.......??????

Truth is boys ...all the jew stuff does not really affect us if we use our intelligence.

I'm leaving all the hating to everyone else...life is too short to bother with it.
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fschmidt wrote: Winston, you are such a coward, you hardly ever respond to my posts. I do give you credit for being better than most, at least you haven't banned me yet. But the truth is that most of humanity is scum. Most forums simply ban anyone whose views differ from theirs. And the number of people willing to openly engage ideas contrary to their own is minuscule. I can answer all of your questions if you really want answers.

You say "I find this to be true even in personal relations with Jews at my place of work". Where do you work? I didn't know there were a significant number of Jews in the Philippines.

Anyone who doesn't like Jews should be a committed Zionist because the whole point of Zionism is to move Jews out of non-Jewish nations into Israel. The reason that Jew-haters aren't Zionists is because then they wouldn't have Jews to use as scapegoats for their problems. Jew-haters are just a bunch of hypocrites, nothing more.
What posts? Maybe you have me mixed up with someone else. I don't know enough about this topic to respond. What are you referring to?

I never said "I find this to be true even in personal relations with Jews at my place of work". You must have me mixed up with someone else.
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fschmidt wrote:
Winston wrote:It can't be jealousy. Come on now. Jealous people don't hate with a deep passion for hundreds of years. There must be more to it than that. When you are jealous of someone, do you hate them with a deep passion for all history? There's got to be more to it than that. That's way too simplistic of an explanation and sounds more like a copout than looking deeper at it.
You are right Winston. You quoted me from 2 years ago and I have learned a lot since then, particularly about Christianity. I spent a year attending a Greek Orthodox church and studying Christian history. So I have a better understanding of why Christians hate Jews, and it's basically because Judaism exposes Christian lies.

Jesus was a Jew. He argued in favor of Torah law. After Jesus died, his brother James took over his movement. Jesus's followers were persecuted by a vicious assimilated Jew named Saul. Saul had them harassed and had at least one of them killed. Later Saul had a "conversion" and called himself a Christian and renamed himself Paul. This Paul never met Jesus, yet he is the one who came up with the idea that Jesus was the son of God and that Jesus's death was a sacrifice for the sins of mankind. These ideas came directly from the pagan religions of that time, many of which included stories of people who had one parent who was a god. These religions also included bloodthirsty gods that demanded human sacrifice, a concept completely alien to the Jewish god. Jesus's sacrifice fits the pattern of satisfying the blood-lust of a Roman god. Most of the New Testament is composed of Paul's writing. Paul never quotes Jesus, in fact it is pretty clear that Paul opposes everything that Jesus ever said. But Paul was successful in spreading his twisted religion because, as a hybrid between Judaism and Roman paganism, it had broad appeal. Rather than focusing on morality, as Judaism does, Christianity focuses on belief and on obedience to authority. This is why ruthless tyrants love Christianity, because they can always twist it to their goals, morality be damned. Judaism is an embarrassment to Christians because Christianity lays claim to the same god as Judaism and Judaism clearly shows the hypocrisy of this. The Catholic Church was particularly vicious and immoral. I don't think any other religion murdered as many people and committed as many sins as Catholicism has. Most of Protestantism wasn't much better, Martin Luther being a particularly vicious, ignorant, and immoral character. The only Christian movement that deserves praise are the Freemasons who resisted Catholic intolerance and immorality. So it is no wonder that Freemasons are also condemned by mainstream idiots. I think it is Freemason ideas that are primarily responsible for the modern world and for the success of Western culture.

So returning to your point, yes there are at least 2 reasons Jews are hated, jealousy and exposing Christian hypocrisy.


This is why you Jews are going to Hell where you belong, you are filled with nothing but lies and are of the most vile of human beings on this entire planet.

Let it be known by all from a servant of God and his direct Witness, this Jew, like most all Jews, are absolute scum of planet earth, everything this filthy stinking Jew just said is a lie. If you read the Bible you will find that out for yourself. This Jew loves Free Masons', which are pure evil human beings.

This Jew will in fact be worshiping the antichrist, that is his god.....

And to think I thought this Jew followed the Bible, only to find out he is just another enemy of Christ....

This Jew, like most all Jews, is Anti-Christ....

Burn in Hell Jew where you belong...

Spoken by David, servant and Witness to the living God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob....
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I've tried being friends with Jews before, cannot do it, Jews are filthy people. They have no morals at all, they have the morals of Satan. They will try to use you as best they can, they are filled with guile, which they get from Satan.

They rationalize this behavior with the idea that they are superior to everyone else and everyone else is a monkey in comparison therefore it's God who gives them the right to treat other people as monkeys, which they do.

Soon people all over the world are going to wake up to the Jews and what they are and then the Jews are going to be killed all over the world. Then their Messiah will come to save them, and they will worship their Messiah, who is the Anti-Christ....

And Christ himself is going to put the Jews into Hell, where there will be weeping and gnawing of teeth.

I myself won't ever even speak to a Jew, for Christ himself has handed the Jews over to Satan for them to serve Satan as their father.

Paul said the Jews were contrary to all men.

Christ said the Jews were going to Hell, and that he is going to put them there.

Muslims also says Jews are going to Hell and are Satan's people...

The whole world HATES Jews for good reason, and the whole world is going to wake up to these filthy stinking Jews very soon...

We are coming for you Jews, and Christ is going to make you suffer forever....

Thank the living God for that!

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You can take a look here at the Masonic Code I broke in 2010, the Mason's are the most evil human beings on planet earth, building up the world and rolling out the red carpet for their Messiah. They reject Christ as the Messiah, they are waiting for their Messiah to come now, who is the Anti-Christ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57if3h3QqBI&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIdAz6gho7c&feature=plcp

The Muslims know this person is coming, that's why they hate Israel, they know the Anti-Christ is coming there, that's why the Jews use their Media to tell people Muslims are bad people.

It's the Jews doing this, they are the biggest liars on planet earth, so much so that if you truly knew the truth you would understand why Christ is going to put them into Hell. And why the whole world hates them, and why they have been kicked out of every country they have ever lived with the exception of the USA.

History will repeat itself once again....

Google "Jews"....

First page is Wickepedia....

Go to that page and scroll half way down, look at the pictures to the right, notice the one where it says that in the year 1614 there were 1380 Jews kicked out of Germany...

You see, Germany, like every country in Europe, had tried to kick out the Jews over and over again, but these cockroaches would just keep coming back over and over again, unwilling to stay out where they are not wanted.

And when they come back what do they do? The women teach the other women to hate men. The men teach other men to love boys, and other men, and homosexuality and call that normal, Jewish men are homosexuals, and they love boys.....

The women are homosexuals and hate men and teach other women to do the same....

They write books and teach teach teach everyone else to do the most vile things in the world, and turn a society upside down and take away God and hate Christ and love ghosts and witches and everything evil.

The Jews are going to Hell, with the exception of those that follow God's Christ, and there be few that do that, very very few.....
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DevilsAdvocate,
Please tone it down. You keep repeating the same rhetoric over and over again. That's unnecessary and becomes tiring to read after a while. If you don't have anything new to say, then don't say anything. It's better than repeating the same thing in every post, which is way too redundant.
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