Jewish Fear of Intermarriage

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Jewish Fear of Intermarriage

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Interesting

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26067980

Netanyahu's son is dating (and presumably boning) a Norwegian chick.
...The anxiety was expressed in an open letter to Yair Netanyahu by the Israeli organisation Lehava, which works to prevent assimilation, in a post on its Facebook page, which warned him that his grandparents "are turning over in their graves… they did not dream that their grandchildren would not be Jews"....

..."God forbid, if it's true, woe is me," says Aryeh Deri, leader of the Ultra-Orthodox Shas party, to a local radio station, lamenting the news that the prime minister's son was dating a non-Jew. "I don't like talking about private issues… but if it's true God forbid, then it's no longer a personal matter - it's the symbol of the Jewish people."...

... even the prime minister's brother-in-law, Hagai Ben-Artzi, spoke out strongly on their affair, warning his nephew that if he doesn't end his relationship with Leikanger, it is as if he is spitting on the graves of his grandparents.

"From my point of view, if he does such a thing, I personally won't allow him to get near their graves," he told an Ultra-Orthodox website. "This is the most awful thing that is threatening and was a threat throughout the history of the Jewish people. More awful than leaving Israel is marriage with a gentile. If this happens, God forbid, I'll bury myself I don't know where. I'll walk in the streets and tear off my hair - and here this is happening."...
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The Israelis sound almost as bad as some of these idiots at The Daily Stormer.

http://www.dailystormer.com/white-mothe ... uch-abuse/
What about the right of your ancestors, do they not have a say? You know, all those people that gave their lives to ensure that your bloodline continued right up until now?
Of course her f***ing ancestors don't have a say--they're DEAD! Dead people have no rights.
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Re: Jewish Fear of Intermarriage

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pandabear wrote:Interesting

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26067980

Netanyahu's son is dating (and presumably boning) a Norwegian chick.
...The anxiety was expressed in an open letter to Yair Netanyahu by the Israeli organisation Lehava, which works to prevent assimilation, in a post on its Facebook page, which warned him that his grandparents "are turning over in their graves… they did not dream that their grandchildren would not be Jews"....

..."God forbid, if it's true, woe is me," says Aryeh Deri, leader of the Ultra-Orthodox Shas party, to a local radio station, lamenting the news that the prime minister's son was dating a non-Jew. "I don't like talking about private issues… but if it's true God forbid, then it's no longer a personal matter - it's the symbol of the Jewish people."...

... even the prime minister's brother-in-law, Hagai Ben-Artzi, spoke out strongly on their affair, warning his nephew that if he doesn't end his relationship with Leikanger, it is as if he is spitting on the graves of his grandparents.

"From my point of view, if he does such a thing, I personally won't allow him to get near their graves," he told an Ultra-Orthodox website. "This is the most awful thing that is threatening and was a threat throughout the history of the Jewish people. More awful than leaving Israel is marriage with a gentile. If this happens, God forbid, I'll bury myself I don't know where. I'll walk in the streets and tear off my hair - and here this is happening."...
All races fear racial intermarriage at least to a certain degree, because they fear losing their identity, it's only brainwashed liberals who believe in racial intermarriage. A people without an identity are like a car without a brand name, mixed race people usually have psychological problems (not all but most) because they face racism from both sides of their parents, they don't really belong anywhere.
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Dear Idiot,

Jews have always been against intermarriage ALWAYS...

Deuteronomy Chapter- 7: Versus- 2-4
2and when the LORD your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them. 3"Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. 4"For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD will be kindled against you and He will quickly destroy you.…
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Nope. Numbers 12. Yahweh was cool with Moses having a Negro wife.
And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman. And they said, "Hath the Lord indeed spoken only by Moses? Hath he not spoken also by us?" And the Lord heard it.

Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth. And the Lord spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, "Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation." And they three came out.

And the Lord came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth. And he said, "Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream. My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house. With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?"

And the anger of the Lord was kindled against them; and he departed. And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous. And Aaron said unto Moses, "Alas, my lord, I beseech thee, lay not the sin upon us, wherein we have done foolishly, and wherein we have sinned. Let her not be as one dead, of whom the flesh is half consumed when he cometh out of his mother's womb."

And Moses cried unto the Lord, saying, "Heal her now, O God, I beseech thee."

And the Lord said unto Moses, "If her father had but spit in her face, should she not be ashamed seven days? let her be shut out from the camp seven days, and after that let her be received in again."

And Miriam was shut out from the camp seven days: and the people journeyed not till Miriam was brought in again. And afterward the people removed from Hazeroth, and pitched in the wilderness of Paran.
Timothy of the New Testament was half-Greek, half Jewish, and Paul was cool with it.
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Re: Jewish Fear of Intermarriage

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nicho12 wrote: All races fear racial intermarriage at least to a certain degree, because they fear losing their identity, it's only brainwashed liberals who believe in racial intermarriage. A people without an identity are like a car without a brand name, mixed race people usually have psychological problems (not all but most) because they face racism from both sides of their parents, they don't really belong anywhere.
No. There has been quite a lot of racial mixing in various parts of Latin America, and in Hawaii. Racially mixed people in the Philippines tend to have a high status, and lots of Filipinas actively seek foreign husbands.
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Jonny Law wrote:Dear Idiot,

Jews have always been against intermarriage ALWAYS...

Deuteronomy Chapter- 7: Versus- 2-4
2and when the LORD your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them. 3"Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. 4"For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD will be kindled against you and He will quickly destroy you.…
Why did you leave off Verse 1? Here is the full paragraph, Mr. Cherry-picker
The Lord your God will bring you into the land that you are going to occupy, and he will drive many nations out of it. As you advance, he will drive out seven nations larger and more powerful than you: the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. When the Lord your God places these people in your power and you defeat them, you must put them all to death. Do not make an alliance with them or show them any mercy. Do not marry any of them, and do not let your children marry any of them, because then they would lead your children away from the Lord to worship other gods. If that happens, the Lord will be angry with you and destroy you at once. So then, tear down their altars, break their sacred stone pillars in pieces, cut down their symbols of the goddess Asherah, and burn their idols. Do this because you belong to the Lord your God. From all the peoples on earth he chose you to be his own special people.
It only said that the Israelites weren't to marry anyone from among those particular seven nations, because their children would start worshipping Asherah rather than Yahweh. Asherah was hot, and Yahweh acknowledged himself to be jealous. There was some intermarriage--you can't really keep people from copulating. Bathsheba had married Uriah the Hittite. Ruth, the great-grandmother of King David, was a Moabitess. Rahab, a Canaanite harlot, was an ancestor of Jesus.
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Nothing wrong with interracial marriage, as long it's based on love and not on fetishes and hypergamous behavior from the couple.

I don't have a problem with Jews in Israel opposed to interracial marriage, but I have a problem when liberal Jews in American and Europe push diversity and multiculturalism on everyone else, while completely ignoring the racism in Israel. That's a double standard, in my opinion.
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pandabear wrote:It only said that the Israelites weren't to marry anyone from among those particular seven nations, because their children would start worshipping Asherah rather than Yahweh. Asherah was hot, and Yahweh acknowledged himself to be jealous. There was some intermarriage--you can't really keep people from copulating. Bathsheba had married Uriah the Hittite. Ruth, the great-grandmother of King David, was a Moabitess. Rahab, a Canaanite harlot, was an ancestor of Jesus.
That's right, but even here the restriction is strictly cultural, not racial. We can see that with Ruth because Deuteronomy 23:3 says "No Ammonite or Moabite may enter the Lord's assembly; none of their descendants, even to the tenth generation, may ever enter the Lord's assembly.". So then how could King David enter? Because Ruth was no longer a CULTURAL descenedant when she converted. The Old Testament is all about culture, not race. Today's rabbis have it all wrong.
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It must be more about religious identity than about race, particularly when you consider who won Miss Israel

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And, also look at some of the blue-eyed blondes in Israel's Jewish population

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If the Prime Minister's son had been dating an Ethiopian Jew, then I guess that it would have been okay, or at least preferable to a Norwegian Gentile.
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In the Old Testament, Israel was a patriarchal society. Israelites were forbidden from intermarrying with the seven tribes of Canaan. They were allowed to conquer distant peoples and take their virgin girls as slaves. If the men wanted to marry one of the slaves, it was allowed. There were some sanctions on children of Moabites as well for generations. But in spite of this, Solomon, who married foreign women, was drawn away into idolatry through it. So there are examples of the dangers of intermarrying with foreigners who aren't from the seven nations.

At some point, their religion turned more matriarchal. Being Jewish came to be counted by having a Jewish mother rather than father, maybe because of the rapes when the Babylonians conquered. They allowed men to marry foreigners only if the girl converted through a prosetylization process.
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MrMan wrote: At some point, their religion turned more matriarchal.
Maybe that's why so many Jewish boys prefer non-Jews. Have you heard any Jewish mother jokes, lately?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/louispeitzman/3 ... ish-mother
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pandabear wrote:It must be more about religious identity than about race, particularly when you consider who won Miss Israel

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And, also look at some of the blue-eyed blondes in Israel's Jewish population

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If the Prime Minister's son had been dating an Ethiopian Jew, then I guess that it would have been okay, or at least preferable to a Norwegian Gentile.
miss Isreal may be black but that's just a political stunt to fool the gentiles, but deep inside they know she can never become a jewess
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nicho12 wrote: miss Isreal may be black but that's just a political stunt to fool the gentiles, but deep inside they know she can never become a jewess
Well, you may be right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Israel
Despite progress, Ethiopian Jews are still not well assimilated into Israeli-Jewish society. They remain, on average, on a lower economic and educational level than average Israelis. Also, while marriages between Jews of different backgrounds are very common in Israel, marriages between Ethiopians and non-Ethiopians are not very common. According to a 2009 study, 90% of Ethiopian-Israelis – 93% of men and 85% of women, are married to other Ethiopian-Israelis. A survey found that found 57% of Israelis consider a daughter marrying an Ethiopian unacceptable and 39% consider a son marrying an Ethiopian to be unacceptable. Barriers to intermarriage have been attributed to sentiments in both the Ethiopian community and Israeli society generally.[123] A 2011 study showed that only 13% of high school students of Ethiopian origin felt "fully Israeli".
However,

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/ne ... age-1.4115
the rate of racial intermarriage in the United States is lower than it is in Israel.

According to a study published in the U.S. two years ago, 6 percent of black people who married, married a white person, as opposed to 10 percent in Israel.
However, again
The Center for Academic Studies found last year that most Israeli respondents were not comfortable with the prospect of one of their own children marrying an Ethiopian.

Fifty-seven percent said it would be entirely unacceptable for their daughters to marry an Ethiopian, and 39 percent said so regarding their sons.
So, would a White Israeli be more miserable if his son married Miss Israel? Or, a Norwegian goy?

Man, she is HAWT!!! But, so is Netanyahu the Younger's Norwegian chick.

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Too bad Israel renounced polygyny--I'd take both.
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You know what's interesting? If someone were to react like this to someone in their family marrying a Jew, they'd lose their minds. They'd flip out & make all kinds of points about how there doesn't have to be a specific, declared insult for one to be conveyed. Everyone's an "anti-semite" for everything, but when they're "anti-everyone else" or "Jew Supremacist" that's fine. If someone's Jewish & someone argues with them- they're an anti-semite. Also, how are you supposed to argue with that? "Oh, I'm an anti-semite for arguing with you? Well, I guess so then." Same deal with muslims or whoever. Works that way with racism, too.

This is supposed to be America's ally? Is that how they see the people here?
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