The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way (MGTOW)

[Adama]

Or they recommend prostitutes and that women should only have babies by artificial insemination. That was actually written in another thread earlier.

Surely these are not wise men.

That was me, but you are distorting. Get rid of child support laws and the women can then get pregnant the normal way, but outside marriage. Then they are forced to give sex to men in exchange for money. I'm no fan of regular prostitution. I want a mistress. My own private whore. Or maybe a woman shared with a couple of other guys rather than the whole town. I don't give a rat's a** about having children of my own. A system like this benefits men like me who are primarily concerned about sex with attractive high quality women. Those men who are primarily concerned about passing on their own genes is a different story. I think those men are fighting a hopeless battle. The system I'm proposing is actually the direction society wants to go, if the men would just unite. Though maybe I, and society, are indeed not wise in wanting to go down this road.

That's just sick. And you really want this for yourself. Distorting it? Doesn't matter. Your entire reality is distorted if you think any of that which you wrote above could ever be good for anyone, most especially entire societies.

Let's unite so that we can live in a polyandrous society, where whores get to share three men or more, at least it isn't the entire town, and those men reward her generously for her presence. That sounds like matriarchy to me, but men should unite to support this. This would be utopia. I think I saw that movie, where everybody was having sex with everybody else.

Sharing a woman back and forth repeatedly with even one other man is disgusting, but you're okay with sharing a woman with at least two other men.

Look at this twisted philosophy. Man what kind of mental illness possesses you people.

[Shemp]

Fine, Adama, you don't want to share, then work longer hours so you can pay to have a whore all to yourself. Again you get caught up on labels. Matriarchy this time. I look at the facts. Such a system is better for me than what we have now, and such a system is far more realistic than bringing back biblical style patriarchy like you want.

[Yohan]

I would love to know where you are getting your information Adama. Not one expat I know has married a single mom or undesirable woman...

I have no idea either, his views are exaggerated and distorted, far away from real life. Maybe he was never in Japan and he reads some isolated cases in the Fox News or Daily Mail.

Dating in Japan is not so easy for Western foreign men.

interesting and strange indeed, you mentioned Western expats/single Asian mothers - I also do not know even one expat from Europe and USA who is living in Japan long-term and is married with a Japanese single mother, not even one - despite the legal situation is quite nice for the foreign man and also for the Japanese single mother if they find together....

About undesirable woman, I wonder what is his definition of 'undesirable'.

Thailand is easier going than Japan, I know retired expats who are living together with a Thai woman with her children, but also expats who arrived with children and living together with a Thai woman who has no children - and why not? What is wrong with that?

I often wonder why Adama is posting in this forum, which is supportive to international/interracial marriage, is promoting to look out for foreign women and is giving the advice to Western men to get on an airplane considering immigration to elsewhere etc.....This HA-forum, which is not against nightlife of any kind, is exactly the opposite of what Adama is considering as an acceptable - deeply religious - Christian life-style for Western men. What is he doing here?

[Yohan]

These men must think differently. I want a young woman, not an old one. One who can have my children. Not me adopting some other man's children, which is absurd. Why would I buy another man's children? I didn't make them.
These men don't even know they are manginas...

This is a disgusting selfish comment, openly said. Sounds typical Christian love to me.

What is wrong if a man is taking care of children who are not his offspring?

And what means 'old woman' for you? I have own children with my wife, we are of same age, but I take care also of a Filipina child since more than 10 years, what is wrong with that?

Why is it 'absurd' to take care of children who are abandoned by other people? Why is this 'buying another man's children?'

[Yohan]

I'm not living on my mother's basement. I retired at 39 and ever since have lived a a very happy life traveling. If you want to say I'm "crying" because I openly discuss the problem I'm having getting quality women to have sex, fine. Like Adama, you can't win the argument with logic, so you have to resort to using taunting labels.

There's plenty of joy in my life. Marrying some peasant in the Philippines and living on a farm surrounded by chickens and ignorant filipinos would be a step DOWN from my current lifestyle in terms of joy and pleasure. But hey, if such a life makes you happy...

I fully agree with your comment. Same with me, living on a Philippine farm (with very little income) would be a downgrade for me and my family from my present life-style. Out of question. But it's his choice... up to him...

About Adama, I have no idea where is he living, but probably alone somewhere in a basement or container etc. in USA, lonely, with a computer/internet...

Comparing Marcos and Adama, there are differences.

Adama has very little knowledge about life outside his little town, but with Marcos this is not the case.

I got however the impression that both of them have some financial problems.

However Marcos moved on nevertheless, trying it, he was entering Philippines, obviously out of money, back again to his home country, working, saving, trying it again, he is doing something, he tries to improve his situation - but Adama is unable to relocate, for him USA is the paradise... and who is leaving the paradise is a loser in his narrow mindset...

[Adama]

I would love to know where you are getting your information Adama. Not one expat I know has married a single mom or undesirable woman. I know many who have married or hooked up with virgins 15 - 20 years younger though. Even in the "evil" South Korea, contrary to what everyone says, what I saw with my eyes was that foreigners were getting some very nice, and beautiful women. Even the African barber who cut my hair (didn't want to cut my hair) had a gorgeous young wife. H was not old, but according to what people around here say, he should have been with an obese, older single mom. That's just not what I see on the ground.

A good friend of mine in Japan, a black guy, got with a young doctor who was also a black belt. I don't know. Maybe the fact that she could kick a dude's a** made her undesirable?

No, I wasn't saying that. I was saying that's what the MGTOW recommend. I hope you understand the difference.

[Adama]

About Adama, I have no idea where is he living, but probably alone somewhere in a basement or container etc. in USA, lonely, with a computer/internet...

That just proves you're a mangina. A man should never make fun of another man for being lonely, especially not an MGTOW. MGTOW are supposed to be sympathetic towards other men, especially those men who are lonely. The fact of the matter is, you spew the same hatred as feminists. That is because you actually are a feminist. All the while MGTOW pretend it is a man friendly movement, when in reality the people behind MGTOW insult men the same way feminists do, which is shameful.

This is why I am happy to be separate from MGTOW. Yohan has gone out of his way here to even prove my point multiple times within this very thread: A feminist mangina who advocates that men wait til retirement age to go overseas to marry single mothers, and who thinks that anyone who disagrees with his philosophy is a loner living in a basement and with financial problems.

[Adama]

These men must think differently. I want a young woman, not an old one. One who can have my children. Not me adopting some other man's children, which is absurd. Why would I buy another man's children? I didn't make them.
These men don't even know they are manginas...

This is a disgusting selfish comment, openly said. Sounds typical Christian love to me.

What is wrong if a man is taking care of children who are not his offspring?

And what means 'old woman' for you? I have own children with my wife, we are of same age, but I take care also of a Filipina child since more than 10 years, what is wrong with that?

Why is it 'absurd' to take care of children who are abandoned by other people? Why is this 'buying another man's children?'

Nothing wrong with adopting a kid, but that wasnt what I was referring to. I was referring to going with single mothers, which is something different than adoption. Amazing how you don't see the distinction.

[Yohan]

This is why I am happy to be separate from MGTOW. Yohan has gone out of his way here to even prove my point multiple times within this very thread: A feminist mangina who advocates that men wait til retirement age to go overseas to marry single mothers....

This is clearly NOT what I recommend.
I left Europe when I was 21 for Malaysia, and left Europe for good when I was 25, and my wife was NOT a single mother...
your fantasy is amazing.

[Yohan]

Nothing wrong with adopting a kid, but that wasnt what I was referring to. I was referring to going with single mothers, which is something different than adoption. Amazing how you don't see the distinction.

You said: Not me adopting some other man's children, which is absurd. Why would I buy another man's children? I didn't make them.

This means, single mothers do not disturb you at all - what disturbs you so much are children living with her.
If those children are living with her ex-husband or boyfriends or elsewhere you are fine with her.

It is you - and not me - who considers living with children you are not the biological father means 'to buy them'. What distinction? Maybe you mean, the child MUST be an orphan, without the biological father still alive or what?

What about children who are abandoned and 'forgotten' by their fathers, why do they deserve different treatment? I find especially your comment to take care of those children - in what form ever - means 'buying children' as highly questionable.

[Adama]

This is why I am happy to be separate from MGTOW. Yohan has gone out of his way here to even prove my point multiple times within this very thread: A feminist mangina who advocates that men wait til retirement age to go overseas to marry single mothers....

This is clearly NOT what I recommend.
I left Europe when I was 21 for Malaysia, and left Europe for good when I was 25, and my wife was NOT a single mother...
your fantasy is amazing.

You have recommended that for others. You've recommended that men go overseas to marry leftover women in Japan and Thailand.

[Adama]

Nothing wrong with adopting a kid, but that wasnt what I was referring to. I was referring to going with single mothers, which is something different than adoption. Amazing how you don't see the distinction.

You said: Not me adopting some other man's children, which is absurd. Why would I buy another man's children? I didn't make them.

This means, single mothers do not disturb you at all - what disturbs you so much are children living with her.
If those children are living with her ex-husband or boyfriends or elsewhere you are fine with her.

It is you - and not me - who considers living with children you are not the biological father means 'to buy them'. What distinction? Maybe you mean, the child MUST be an orphan, without the biological father still alive or what?

What about children who are abandoned and 'forgotten' by their fathers, why do they deserve different treatment? I find especially your comment to take care of those children - in what form ever - means 'buying children' as highly questionable.

You so don't get it. That's why you recommend men go with single mothers. You don't realize that most men would just want to raise their own children, rather than children who are the result of a divorce, or a fling the woman had with another man. That is, single mothers mean something quite different than adopting poor children who have no parents. Day and night difference.

[Yohan]

You have recommended that for others. You've recommended that men go overseas to marry leftover women in Japan and Thailand.

Can you show me such a comment written by me? Link please.

I said the legal situation for a man who is dating a single mother in Japan is much better than in Western countries.

If you find such a woman as a foreign man living in Japan, why not to give it a try?
However I do not know about a Western expat in Japan who married a single mother so far.

In Thailand the situation is not very clear. There are divorced men arriving with children married with a Thai woman who has no children, and also the opposite, a Western man, marries a Thai woman with children and I see nothing wrong with that. If they are happy why not...

This forum is for Western men who like the idea to move abroad, to marry foreign women or to enjoy nightlife outside of their own pro-feminist country.

I wonder what you are doing here in this forum if you are so such against living overseas and international dating.

[Yohan]

You don't realize that most men would just want to raise their own children, rather than children who are the result of a divorce, or a fling the woman had with another man.

Might be to raise only their own children is the dream of men in USA, who in their own country do not have any other choice but to accept 'a proud single mother' and her offspring - as there is no other woman around them anymore. This seems to be especially true for black men dating black women.

However USA is not the world. Men in different parts of this world are not interested to think within the narrow-minded 'American dream of life' as you presume.

There are also men who bring children into their new relationship, as both, the husband and the children were abandoned by the wife and mother, and what about them? What will you say, if your girlfriend tells you she will only accept you if you get rid of your children, as she will only raise children born by herself?

[books]

MGTOW has been severely misrepresented by the OP.

I am not a MGTOW myself, but everyone knows this is what MGTOW stands for: