Female preference for scum revisited

[Cornfed]

In the past it has been pointed out that Western skanks tend to be attracted to stupid assholes because such men have certain practical advantages in modern society. A way of looking at the situation, and arguably stating the same thing in a different way, is that intelligent and decent men are actually perceived as being genetically inferior from the perspective of modern females.

To understand this it is necessary to realize that intelligence and decency are not universal positives but rather come at a cost. Intelligent people tend to be late developers, go off on tangents, take time out of short term useful activities to learn long term skills and are prone to various neuroses and addictions, since the more complex something is, the more there is to go wrong. Decency likewise carries obvious disadvantages. Decent people do stuff like defending their comrades from attack and nursing them back to health when they are sick, thereby diverting resources from themselves and risking being attacked or infected themselves. They can be taken advantage of by assholes and have reduced capacity to take advantage of others themselves.

Most of the time intelligence and decency are a net positive in that they allow for the efficient acquisition and exploitation of scarce resources. Intelligent men can come up with innovative ways of gaining resources and transmit this knowledge to others. Decency allows men to form tight teams whose members trust each other, allowing them to specialize different types of resource gathering and use teamwork to win battles with rival groups. Hence females mostly find intelligence and decency attractive in men.

The trouble now is that from a female perspective, resources are essentially a free good handed to them by a central rationing system. They just crank out babies and go on welfare or do some shit in an office and are given more money than most young men can possibly acquire, so resource acquisition is no longer a problem they require intelligent, decent men to solve. Similarly, since the system is essentially communism, with people largely getting whatever the elite want to give them, there are often few practical ways for men to use their intelligence and decency in obtaining resources. Hence intelligence and decency carry all the usual downsides with none of the corresponding advantages, so females regard such men as being genetically inferior and therefore find them unattractive. As long as the current situation lasts, there is really nothing that can be done about this. Self-improvement in the general case won't help - in fact quite the reverse.

[Eightfold Path]

This is the second time I agree with the poster above. Perhaps it's time for men as a whole to step away from the perpetual blame platform and take some accountability for their hand with women.

[fschmidt]

As usual I agree with 90% of what Cornfed says which is far more than I agree with most people. We are in complete agreement on the diagnosis of the modern condition, but we don't agree on the response. Decency is an asset on a team but a liability for an isolated individual. So decent men must join teams. The current economic system isn't communist at all, it is crony capitalism. Right now the entire economic system is designed to relieve the middle class of their money, and any sensible man would join in this process. A team of decent intelligent men can very effectively screw the middle class out of a lot of money, which is exactly what I am currently doing in such a team. But this process is limited by the total assets of the middle class which will run out in the next few years and the game will be over. Then we will return to the Dark Ages with an aristocracy and serfs, and then government support of women will end.

I urge Cornfed to join some team which means some sane religion. He is more than welcome to join mine which we have renamed from "Biblic Judaism" to "Mikraite" so there is no longer any association with Judaism. Or he can find some other religious group to join. But remaining an isolated individual in modern culture is a losing proposition for anyone with intelligence and decency.

[Cornfed]

Self-improvement in the general case won't help - in fact quite the reverse.

Disagree on your conclusion. This is another typical example of the "superior, decent, intelligent man" essentially giving up. Self-improvement, as I see it, is a very broad definition. Say a man would dress better, get a better haircut, a better shape. By your definition he may not have "improved" at all, seeing as though only his exterior changed. He is not any more moral, his genes and personality did not change. But he FEELS better and this alone changes his outlook on things.

He could have done nothing, this man, forever blaming society's perceived hatred for intelligent and decent men for his romantic and reproductive failure. But instead he embarked on a journey of self-improvement that improved his mindset, and with it his entire outlook on life. I would say self-improvement is still a major factor, and denying it's importance is just laziness on your part as it allows you to stop trying.

As for female's preference for scum, this mantra I find a bit troubling. Both me and several of my male relatives have had no trouble attracting female attention in my country of birth. We are not, however, scum. My uncle for example is a handsome man in his mid-forties, has his own company, divorced with one son. He always seems to have women around him and generally does well with them. He's well educated, very intelligent, and has some controversial political opinions that even you would agree with. And no, he is not a bad boy, does not drink to excess, is not violent to women. Still, he gets them.

Your theory is flawed. But I understand why you want to believe this. Believing this makes life much easier to cope with, for you.

This is just rambling ad homidem gibberish. Do you have anything to say specifically refuting anything in my post that I could reply to?

[The_Adventurer]

There is nothing you or anyone else can do about it, so why not focus on doing your thing, whether that be traveling abroad, writing books, or whatever stirs your passion? Go back and look at your fourth paragraph. What you just described was modern society. What you described is the the future, and I would argue that more and more countries in the world are, slowly but surely, becoming like your example.

Now go back and look at your third paragraph. You described how it was. In the past, this method of cooperation was absolutely necessary for success. However, the role of technology in all this should be given serious consideration. Technology also plays a huge part in making the world of your fourth paragraph a reality. That technology is not going away.

What began with the dishwasher and the washing machine will eventually lead to a future where technology will further erode the need for these cooperative relationships, the need for gender roles, and eventually, the need for any useful work at all.

I would argue that an isolated individual, using technology to outsource needed tasks around the globe can accomplish more than any hopes of putting together a "dream team" in this modern world. In reality, through the use of technology, you are, in fact, cooperating with far more people, who are far more specialised in their fields that if you attempted to put together your ideal team in front of you. The developers of the hardware, software and tools you use essentially become virtual members of your "team" allowing you to reach for any goal you desire.

The one goal that cannot happen, though, is turning back the clock. Time and the world continue to move forward and being stuck in the past, longing for the world to be as it was, is a sure way to be left behind.

[droid]

Self-improvement in the general case won't help - in fact quite the reverse.

Disagree on your conclusion. This is another typical example of the "superior, decent, intelligent man" essentially giving up. Self-improvement, as I see it, is a very broad definition. Say a man would dress better, get a better haircut, a better shape. By your definition he may not have "improved" at all, seeing as though only his exterior changed. He is not any more moral, his genes and personality did not change. But he FEELS better and this alone changes his outlook on things.

He could have done nothing, this man, forever blaming society's perceived hatred for intelligent and decent men for his romantic and reproductive failure. But instead he embarked on a journey of self-improvement that improved his mindset, and with it his entire outlook on life. I would say self-improvement is still a major factor, and denying it's importance is just laziness on your part as it allows you to stop trying.

As for female's preference for scum, this mantra I find a bit troubling. Both me and several of my male relatives have had no trouble attracting female attention in my country of birth. We are not, however, scum. My uncle for example is a handsome man in his mid-forties, has his own company, divorced with one son. He always seems to have women around him and generally does well with them. He's well educated, very intelligent, and has some controversial political opinions that even you would agree with. And no, he is not a bad boy, does not drink to excess, is not violent to women. Still, he gets them.

Your theory is flawed. But I understand why you want to believe this. Believing this makes life much easier to cope with, for you.

This is just rambling ad homidem gibberish. Do you have anything to say specifically refuting anything in my post that I could reply to?

I think the disconnect here is that cornfed mostly refers to the west proper, namely the US of Americhump, but never clarifies that. I don't think conservative oriental ladies are applicable to the OP.
And Marcos keeps citing anecdotals, in this case regarding Holland, but as we know western Europe is still relatively decent.

[Yohan]

... as we know western Europe is still relatively decent.

Is this a joke? Wide parts of EU are totally pro-feminist orientated. UK the worst of all I would say.

However there is a much better social network in EU compared to USA. Justice is somewhat 'softer' compared to USA. There is no headache with medical bills, labor rights are much more respected compared to USA etc.

Feminism in EU, especially in the Northern part is terrible, basically every corner of daily life is investigated about 'equality' but it is less hateful and all this annoying racist US BS-talk is missing.

It is also much easier to move around and to abroad, even by driving your own car. People have longer vacation. Most people in EU have a valid passport. To invite a foreign woman as a visitor to your home is not a big issue etc.

However, check out in my own native country divorce laws especially in case with children and how property is considered to be divided between the male and the female ex-spouse. Obligatory unpaid military service time for men only, retirement 60 for women but 65 for men and also the general behavior of women is bad and overdemanding and check out how they select men who are lining up to spoil them all the time.

Anyway I left EU for always. I never had any relationship with a woman within EU. I don't really care anymore and why should I?

[Adama]

Women are attracted to scum for one reason. That is regular men treat women as equals. They put women up on pedestals. Regular men suffer from one-itis. A woman doesnt want to be catered to. That is submissive behavior. In other words, most men act like they are the women and treat women like they are the men. Women are there to be commanded and seduced. They are not there to verify, cosign, lead or even be your equal.

That's why buying flowers and the rest of the romantic stuff does not work on Western women. They do not want to be treated like a delicate flower. They are looking for a man to come and make them feel like a woman by leading them.

Bad boys will do this. Regular men will not, because regular men were raised to regard everyone as an equal, which is definitely not true. Men > Women > Children.

Most regular men and manginas have it as Women > Men. Treat a woman as if she is your leader and she will lose respect for you. A woman doesnt want to lead (at least the ones who arent beasts). A woman wants a leader.

The best thing a man can do is to stand up and be a man. If there are women who don't want a real man, then that is great, because she eliminated herself. You don't want a woman who wouldnt let you be the man anyway.

I just solved this riddle for you. It has nothing to do with evil. It has to do with the man being in charge.

You remember when they say women are attracted to confidence? This is what they mean. Not the confidence to hit on them without concern, but the confidence to take charge and be the man so that she can be the woman.

[Adama]

In the past it has been pointed out that Western skanks tend to be attracted to stupid assholes because such men have certain practical advantages in modern society. A way of looking at the situation, and arguably stating the same thing in a different way, is that intelligent and decent men are actually perceived as being genetically inferior from the perspective of modern females.

To understand this it is necessary to realize that intelligence and decency are not universal positives but rather come at a cost. Intelligent people tend to be late developers, go off on tangents, take time out of short term useful activities to learn long term skills and are prone to various neuroses and addictions, since the more complex something is, the more there is to go wrong. Decency likewise carries obvious disadvantages. Decent people do stuff like defending their comrades from attack and nursing them back to health when they are sick, thereby diverting resources from themselves and risking being attacked or infected themselves. They can be taken advantage of by assholes and have reduced capacity to take advantage of others themselves.

Most of the time intelligence and decency are a net positive in that they allow for the efficient acquisition and exploitation of scarce resources. Intelligent men can come up with innovative ways of gaining resources and transmit this knowledge to others. Decency allows men to form tight teams whose members trust each other, allowing them to specialize different types of resource gathering and use teamwork to win battles with rival groups. Hence females mostly find intelligence and decency attractive in men.

The trouble now is that from a female perspective, resources are essentially a free good handed to them by a central rationing system. They just crank out babies and go on welfare or do some shit in an office and are given more money than most young men can possibly acquire, so resource acquisition is no longer a problem they require intelligent, decent men to solve. Similarly, since the system is essentially communism, with people largely getting whatever the elite want to give them, there are often few practical ways for men to use their intelligence and decency in obtaining resources. Hence intelligence and decency carry all the usual downsides with none of the corresponding advantages, so females regard such men as being genetically inferior and therefore find them unattractive. As long as the current situation lasts, there is really nothing that can be done about this. Self-improvement in the general case won't help - in fact quite the reverse.

The problem you're really describing is choice. Women have more choices available to them now because of the way modern society is. In the olden days, especially in marriage-minded societies, women got married early and may not have been that picky.

Now that dating and marriage is more or less a game of playing musical chairs, and with birth control available, she doesnt have to pick a man based upon resources or necessity anymore. She can choose whoever she wants, almost.

That leaves the men who were operating under the assumption that all they needed were resources pushed out.

But it isnt like women are just ignoring the men with resources altogether. Women just gravitate towards certain types of personality types. Those men can be good individuals or bad. If young men see that women prefer bad individuals (or rather if they confuse the take charge traits with the bad boy traits) well then more boys will grow up to become bad men.

But what is missing though, is that if a woman is really attracted to a man, she will try to satisfy him. The men who are successful with women know this, and this is a useful indicator. But only for those men who know it is possible (first you must accept it), and then you must be willing to use it.

When a woman likes a man, he has just as much power over her and she has over him. It is just a matter of whether or not he is willing to exercise his control for his benefit, or whether he will let things go directionless without a rudder (which will not get you the girl), or whether he wants the woman to lead.

Next time a girl likes you, tell her you like women who do x activity. Then watch as she attempts to do x for you. She will even think it is her own idea.

[Eightfold Path]

But remaining an isolated individual in modern culture is a losing proposition for anyone with intelligence and decency.

In your opinion. Personally, I don't see why you're attached to the concept of community. A good number of people will do just fine on their own.

[droid]

... as we know western Europe is still relatively decent.

Is this a joke? Wide parts of EU are totally pro-feminist orientated. UK the worst of all I would say.
However there is a much better social network in EU compared to USA. Justice is somewhat 'softer' compared to USA. There is no headache with medical bills, labor rights are much more respected compared to USA etc.
Feminism in EU, especially in the Northern part is terrible, basically every corner of daily life is investigated about 'equality' but it is less hateful and all this annoying racist US BS-talk is missing.
It is also much easier to move around and to abroad, even by driving your own car. People have longer vacation. Most people in EU have a valid passport. To invite a foreign woman as a visitor to your home is not a big issue etc.
However, check out in my own native country divorce laws especially in case with children and how property is considered to be divided between the male and the female ex-spouse. Obligatory unpaid military service time for men only, retirement 60 for women but 65 for men and also the general behavior of women is bad and overdemanding and check out how they select men who are lining up to spoil them all the time.
Anyway I left EU for always. I never had any relationship with a woman within EU. I don't really care anymore and why should I?

I found French and German girls to be a lot more polite and friendly (and not so much into scum,in regard to the OP), and in better shape than in the states, that's all I'm saying.
And well the thing is that Austria in particular really sucks, at least Wien. As much as I tried to like the place in my three visits, I finally accepted it *sucks*, what a cold social environment. I had always romanticized it as a living Strauss melody and all that stuff.

Man If you grew up in Vienna i can understand your disillusion. Funny thing is, it just takes a half hour train ride to Bratislava to have a 180 degree change in prospects; did you ever venture east? or was it at the time too difficult due to the iron curtain?

[Eightfold Path]

Speaking of Europe, I wonder what to make of French, German and Italian women. Surely someone here can fill me in if they have experience.

[Cornfed]

Women are attracted to scum for one reason. That is regular men treat women as equals. They put women up on pedestals. Regular men suffer from one-itis. A woman doesnt want to be catered to. That is submissive behavior. In other words, most men act like they are the women and treat women like they are the men. Women are there to be commanded and seduced. They are not there to verify, cosign, lead or even be your equal.

That's why buying flowers and the rest of the romantic stuff does not work on Western women. They do not want to be treated like a delicate flower. They are looking for a man to come and make them feel like a woman by leading them.

Bad boys will do this. Regular men will not, because regular men were raised to regard everyone as an equal, which is definitely not true. Men > Women > Children.

Most regular men and manginas have it as Women > Men. Treat a woman as if she is your leader and she will lose respect for you. A woman doesnt want to lead (at least the ones who arent beasts). A woman wants a leader.

The best thing a man can do is to stand up and be a man. If there are women who don't want a real man, then that is great, because she eliminated herself. You don't want a woman who wouldnt let you be the man anyway.

I just solved this riddle for you. It has nothing to do with evil. It has to do with the man being in charge.

You remember when they say women are attracted to confidence? This is what they mean. Not the confidence to hit on them without concern, but the confidence to take charge and be the man so that she can be the woman.

I have been in a good position to observe the situation over the last year, and in my experience this is not the case. The sluts are attracted not so much to dominant men as to men who screw up their personal relationships just like they screw up everything else in their lives. I understand the confusion, as the inability to get along with anyone might look like dominance and even might default to dominance with Western skanks, but the implication that quality men could make themselves more attractive to the skanks just by treating them like the trash that they are is mostly not true. Western females are attracted to bottom feeding men - junkies, meth-heads, the unemployable, the loser criminal underclass, men you wouldn't hire to take out the garbage for fear that they would screw it up somehow etc. There are solid evolutionary reasons for this.

[Eightfold Path]

Western females are attracted to bottom feeding men - junkies, meth-heads, the unemployable, the loser criminal underclass, men you wouldn't hire to take out the garbage for fear that they would screw it up somehow etc. There are solid evolutionary reasons for this.

At the rate of exacerbating this strange and strained topic, have you any studies or anything to show?

[Adama]

Women are attracted to scum for one reason. That is regular men treat women as equals. They put women up on pedestals. Regular men suffer from one-itis. A woman doesnt want to be catered to. That is submissive behavior. In other words, most men act like they are the women and treat women like they are the men. Women are there to be commanded and seduced. They are not there to verify, cosign, lead or even be your equal.

That's why buying flowers and the rest of the romantic stuff does not work on Western women. They do not want to be treated like a delicate flower. They are looking for a man to come and make them feel like a woman by leading them.

Bad boys will do this. Regular men will not, because regular men were raised to regard everyone as an equal, which is definitely not true. Men > Women > Children.

Most regular men and manginas have it as Women > Men. Treat a woman as if she is your leader and she will lose respect for you. A woman doesnt want to lead (at least the ones who arent beasts). A woman wants a leader.

The best thing a man can do is to stand up and be a man. If there are women who don't want a real man, then that is great, because she eliminated herself. You don't want a woman who wouldnt let you be the man anyway.

I just solved this riddle for you. It has nothing to do with evil. It has to do with the man being in charge.

You remember when they say women are attracted to confidence? This is what they mean. Not the confidence to hit on them without concern, but the confidence to take charge and be the man so that she can be the woman.

I have been in a good position to observe the situation over the last year, and in my experience this is not the case. The sluts are attracted not so much to dominant men as to men who screw up their personal relationships just like they screw up everything else in their lives. I understand the confusion, as the inability to get along with anyone might look like dominance and even might default to dominance with Western skanks, but the implication that quality men could make themselves more attractive to the skanks just by treating them like the trash that they are is mostly not true. Western females are attracted to bottom feeding men - junkies, meth-heads, the unemployable, the loser criminal underclass, men you wouldn't hire to take out the garbage for fear that they would screw it up somehow etc. There are solid evolutionary reasons for this.

Aren't those women losers too? I can definitely see women going for losers, if they themselves are also losers. Whenever I look back at the women who were scum, I can see with more clarity now that they were scum. Back when I knew them, I thought they were more or less normal people. But now that I am away from them, I realize the reason they were attracted to scum is because they are also scum. Like goes to like.

I wasnt saying treat women like trash. I was saying treat them the way they are supposed to be treated.