Why I'm tired of the conspiracy movement

[Moretorque]

The CIA is a paramilitary force for the money changers, I saw the Nixon movie and I take with a grain of salt anything that comes out of Hollywood. Also Stone did the movie World Trade Center so I rest my case.

[Moretorque]

Jester,
You are right. Sorry I got the words "prosecuted" and "convicted" mixed up.

Why are you saying that Calvin was wrong? The doctrine of predestination is supported by many Bible verses. For example, there is a verse in John where Jesus says, "No one can come to me except the Father draws him." And there are other verses in the Epistles where it says that the elect (the saved) were chosen before the foundation of the Earth. So the doctrine is Biblically based and supported.

What is "Wild Palms" about? It looks kind of weird.

You can watch the Nixon movie by Oliver Stone by downloading it from torrent, if you don't have the time to rent it or subscribe to Netflix.

In the bible it say's "no one can get to the Father but through me" and the me is Jesus, they did not have any fathers back then and the males were not happy about it at all. The young males were knocking all the women up and nobody wanted to man up and be the father. There were no contraceptives and no pill so a baby was on the way in most cases.

If you go and reread Jesus's teaching you will find many versus trying to get the males to sustain from having sex with the women. It tells you in revelations that the 144,000 virgin males are the first fruits of god, they are trying to get the males to not have sex until they grow up because young males are to immature to father a child. The youthful male basically does not want the baby where and older male will more than likely stay with the women because he is interested in the survival and cares about his future blood lines.

I may have the versus mixed up?

[Winston]

The CIA is a paramilitary force for the money changers, I saw the Nixon movie and I take with a grain of salt anything that comes out of Hollywood. Also Stone did the movie World Trade Center so I rest my case.

Yeah but most of Stone's movies are fairly accurate. They are certainly a lot more accurate than other Hollyood movies. So he has a good track record in that department.

Jester,
Check out this clip from the movie JFK where Mr. X explains to Jim Garrison about why the perpetrators killed Kennedy and how the Coup d'Etat happened. Do you think the scenes are pretty accurate?



Also, here is Garrison's run down of the shots that were fired at Kennedy. Is it pretty accurate?

[pete98146]

Here are a couple of very informative anti-Illuminati articles. Perhaps and hopefully they are losing their stranglehold on the world:

http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data ... 1334698390


"10 Signs the Global Elite are Losing Control:

http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data ... 1378746109


ILLULMINATI CABAL FLEE BY THE HUNDREDS AS MASS ARESTS AWAIT THEM FROM STATES BECOMING FREE FROM THE FED....


http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data ... 1334698390

[Jester]

Jester,
Check out this clip from the movie JFK where Mr. X explains to Jim Garrison about why the perpetrators killed Kennedy and how the Coup d'Etat happened. Do you think the scenes are pretty accurate?

Accurate scene, yes. And probably the truth from the POV of the guy telling it.

Thoughts:

(1) CIA and FBI were both involved in assassination and coverup. No Texas right-wingers lined THAT up without Illuminati approval. Trillionaire Rothschilds and Rockefellers had to approve the Kennedy assassination. Therefore no way that the CEO of Bell Helicopter and his hundred-million-dollar contract had anything to do with the assassination, unless he was brought in or told what to do. Still the presence of cowboy defense executives around the fringes could easily have seemed central to Mr. X. Of course I am being charitable here. The whole defense-contractor thing COULD simply be a mis-direction or watering down of the truth deliberately done by Stone to pass muster.

(2) Real motive was nevertheless also stated clearly by Mr. X. ..... Cold war was a huge game, from 1947 on, with specific secret decision in 1954 to break Americans down into individual, fragmented serfs dependent on media and government. So Kennedy giving signs he was going to move against the Warfare State would be sufficient motive to take him out. No course changes tolerated - follow the script or else. One thing about the Borg is, they follow a damn plan, sometimes for decades (e.g. taking down Iran).

If allowed to succeed, JFK's America would have been statist and socialist, I would guess - just not militarized. More populist, like Peronism or Gaulism, I suppose. The good-guy Illuminatus, sort of. (Not that he was an actual member, but you know what I mean.)

[Jester]

Jester..........

Why are you saying that Calvin was wrong? The doctrine of predestination is supported by many Bible verses. For example, there is a verse in John where Jesus says, "No one can come to me except the Father draws him." And there are other verses in the Epistles where it says that the elect (the saved) were chosen before the foundation of the Earth. So the doctrine is Biblically based and supported.....

In the bible it say's "no one can get to the Father but through me" and the me is Jesus...

Moretorque the way you quoted it here is right.

Winston, I think you were quoting from the Gospel of John chapter 6:

41The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. 42And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven? 43Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. 44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. 46Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. 47Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Your Bible teachers took the verse out of context. jesus was saying noone was his personal follower, they were all seeking the Lord. He was replying to an imputation of blasphemy or at least outsized ego. He was saying he was but a servant of God.

And he goes on to say that he that BELIEVES will have life. To believe is a VERB, and it is in the ACTIVE voice. It is something you DO, not something that is done to you. At least here anyway.

Other places in the Bible, God does the approaching. With Abraham, with Mary. Like Christ appearing to Saul on the Damascus highway.... and so on. (Also like Mary calling out to Juan Diego at the hill of Guadalupe in Mexico - but that's another story.)

In each case, the person apparently had to be ready in some way, and had to RESPOND, had to ACCEPT.

Thus Mary's poetic response, to the Archangel Gabriel, usually called called "the Magnificat". She is venerated for her RESPONSE, her DECISION. True, it's in the feminine, and is a decision to receive, to be impregnated. But still very much an acceptance, a decision. Passive role, but an ACT of will.

[Jester]

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Also, here is Garrison's run down of the shots that were fired at Kennedy. Is it pretty accurate?

No doubt the explanation is accurate. But I find it hard to folow. I like things simple. So here's what I know:

I visited the Dallas Book Depository and looked out the window.

Oswald would have had to pass up a clear easy shot to the front as Kennedy drove straight toward him, then after Kennedy made the turn to Oswald's right, Oswald would have had to lean out of the window, aim to the right, and shoot left-handed, through or at least over a tree.

Oswald was right-handed.

The shot was impossible to accomplish quickly, even for a sniper.

And there was no reason to pass up the easy shot, to wait till it was almost impossible.

Plus, the back of Kennedy's head came off, as shown in the Zapruder film. So the shot had to come from the grassy knoll, or perhaps from a manhole ahead of the car. In any case not the Book Depository, which was BEHIND Kennedy.

Really very clear.

[Jester]

Here are a couple of very informative anti-Illuminati articles. Perhaps and hopefully they are losing their stranglehold on the world............

"10 Signs the Global Elite are Losing Control:

http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data ... 1378746109

The first and last articles look dubious to me. perhaps true, but perhaps some wishful thinking. The second one is dead on accurate. Haha except I'll reserve my opinion on the marijuana point.

Here's the full article you cited:

Sept. 8, 2013

Karma is coming for the elite in a big way. As the Powers That Be head toward a devastating defeat in their war plans for Syria, signs are emerging that their rule over humanity is rapidly diminishing.

Over the last decade the global elite have been on a mad dash to consolidate power over the world. It's always been their plan like some evil villain in a comic book, but after 9/11 the plan went into overdrive and then turbo charged during the financial crisis of 2008.

Yet it's doomed to fail because humans are meant to be guided by their own free will, not controlled like livestock. The more the elite try to control humanity, the more entropy occurs. Entropy, for those who don't know, is the lack of order or predictability; a gradual decline into disorder.

Although the elite still enjoy a huge wealth advantage over the masses, they are now resigned to behaving like tyrants to maintain control. This, in turn, exposes their dark side which has been cleverly concealed for ages. Not anymore.

People are waking up in droves, at least as fast as the elite can build their full-spectrum prison matrix. Let them try. To paraphrase Victor Hugo, "No army can stop an idea whose time has come."

Here are ten signs that the elite are losing control over the people:

1. Official lies no longer effective: The lies they tell simply don't work anymore. There was a time when official lies, especially about war and peace, were believed. Because, after all, how evil would it be to lie about such things? Generally people want to believe they are being told the truth when life and death is at stake. The boy who cried wolf has cried one too many times. Even if they told the truth at this point, very few would believe them.

2. No confidence in politics: US politicians have a paltry approval rating. The trust in government is at all-time lows here and around the world. Mainstream polls show only 10% of the public has confidence in Congress. In other words, 90% don't believe in them to be competent to govern.

Watch this Town Hall exchange below where a man threatens US Senator John McCain with arrest for treason to his face. This would have never happened just a year or two ago:

3. No confidence in media: The most recent polls show that 77% of the population no longer trusts corporate TV news. Is it any wonder why the establishment media failed to sell the lies about the alleged Syria chemical event? With all their monopoly might over the airwaves, they can no longer claim that black is white simply because officialdom says so.

4. Bankers rejected: Hungary recently became the first country to follow Iceland's lead by shedding international bankers (IMF) and is considering pursuing prosecution of past prime ministers who enslaved the people with debt.

Look for this trend to continue even if nations decide to default to break free.

5. Vatican abruptly cleaning up its act: Under the previous Pope, Pope Benedict, scandals erupted from the Vatican ranging from covering up pedophile priests to money laundering and fraud. Benedict, in an unprecedented move, abruptly retired to make way for a seemingly much more likable Pope Francis. Pope Francis by all measures is working furiously to reclaim the church's peaceful and humble reputation. Whether this is genuine or a PR move, it's telling that the church was forced into such a drastic turnaround to save itself from losing all credibility.

6. Mutiny among soldiers: Finally. Soldiers, who are outlawed from making political statements, are steadily speaking out against US military adventurism. As Einstein famously said "The pioneers of a warless world are the young men (and women) who refuse military service."

7. Militarized police state: One of the darkest signs that the elite are losing their grip on power is the construction of the militarized police state specifically trained to combat domestic civil unrest. Local cops with tanks and other combat gear are working with Feds at Fusion centers, active Army units are on American soil for the first time in history, the NSA spy grid is being used by the IRS and DEA, and the elimination of due process for Americans under the NDAA are just some of the tyrannical moves made to secure the elite criminals from public backlash. They're clearly scared, and they should be given what they've done to the American people and the Constitution.

8. Serious secession movements everywhere: A state seceding from a larger political entity used to be an ultra-fringe concept, until now. In America, secession movements are winning over the public in parts of Colorado and California. In Europe, serious secession movements are happening in Spain and Scotland, as well as several EU nations flirting with the idea of dropping out of the euro. Decentralization = Entropy!

9. GMO food being rejected everywhere: Control the food and you control the people. True in theory, but much more difficult in practice. GMO leaders like Monsanto are being exposed. All of their economic and political strength cannot defeat the spread of knowledge about the dangers of pesticide-soaked Frankenfoods. GMO fields are being burned in protest in America and around the world, informed nations continue to reject their products, and labeling laws are gaining traction.

10. Cannabis liberation: Many reading this will think marijuana legalization is a superficial development. However, it is a major signpost that the elite's grip is fading. Enormous resources have been spent to keep cannabis illegal. Cannabis has been a powerful medicine for physical, mental, and spiritual health throughout the ages. This single plant represents a huge threat to the power structures and their industries, hence its seemingly senseless illegality. The approaching global reversal of the tyrannical policy of prohibition is the first of many concessions to come.

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/10- ... ntrol.html

[Moretorque]

Does Oliver Stones " JFK " mention anything about the FED ?, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or does it. There were several reasons they wacked him but the main one was he wanted to stop their counterfeiting racket because everything else is made possible by that the 5th plank.

You know the NSA is taking all this info down and these paranoid dictatorships have been proven to kill the informed so don't you guy's think about what your posting could get you wacked by the commies?

[C.J.]

Isn't Oliver Stone ALIVE? Now Stanley Kubrick, that guy revealed too much about the satanists in the original version of Eyes Wide Shut. Most people will never get to see it now.

[SilverEnergy]

Some of you are still asleep.

The NWO will be a unified world wide movement.

It won't be going anywhere anytime soon once it does come.

Please guys, don't become one of the sheeple.

The NWO is coming and there is nothing any of you can do to stop it.

But learn how to become self sufficient and they won't have as much of a hold on you as they do the rest of the sheeple.

Learn how to become an entrepreneur.

[Moretorque]

Some of you are still asleep.

The NWO will be a unified world wide movement.

It won't be going anywhere anytime soon once it does come.

Please guys, don't become one of the sheeple.

The NWO is coming and there is nothing any of you can do to stop it.

But learn how to become self sufficient and they won't have as much of a hold on you as they do the rest of the sheeple.

Learn how to become an entrepreneur.

You can't become a progressive main stream entrepreneur when they control all the mainstream markets, these days you can hardly become a non mainstream entrepreneur with out their approval, all government contracts is the way it is going or you have table scraps.

I watched a video from Argentina and it was one of their higher ups in the government and he said the same thing Silver, what he said was they had already won so America just be ready for your standard of living to take a major hit and he said the US was conquered even though the people had not figured it out yet.

Essentially saying they had already been through it and it was our turn coming up.