It's not females, it's the system. Kill it or go away.

[BlueEverglades]

Current generations of females have nothing to do with the mess created by this society. We were born in the system and told to conform in order to survive, everything was put in place before we were even born.I have never met a feminist that hates men, we are thought to ignore men and focus on ourselves but that's not our damn fault. Since day one all I hear is that I need to be an independent female (not only financially but mentally detached from what men want from us) We hear this from parents, school system, internet, friends and to hide my feelings towards men because they will run away and think I'm needy just because I like him. I signed up for many mini courses online about relationships along the years and you will be amazed how much we are told by male and female authors and relationship experts to "ACT COLD, DON'T CHASE, DON'T ASK MEN OUT, DON'T SAY I LOVE YOU,DON'T ASK FOR ANYTHING, PAY FOR YOUR OWN SHIT ALL THE TIME, LIVE ALONE IN AN APARTMENT AND JUST WORK WORK WORK, WORK ON YOURSELF, BE SELFISH, KNOW THE RIGHT THING TO SAY TO KEEP HIM AROUND,BE LIKE A MAN AND JUST USE MEN FOR SEX, IF YOU WANT MARRIAGE BE A HIGH QUALITY WOMAN (WHICH USUALLY MEANS IN THEIR WORDS TO HAVE THE INDEPENDENT BITCH MINDSET) that doesn't work for a healthy relationship anyways. In general we are wrapped up in a bubble of "Eliminate feelings, be a working drone, and don't need men" so what do you think is going to happen overtime without any positive role models? And those that pose as positive role models are ultra conservative christian baloney that also doesn't work anymore, where's the balance?

[jamesbond]

Current generations of females have nothing to do with the mess created by this society. We were born in the system and told to conform in order to survive, everything was put in place before we were even born. I have never met a feminist that hates men, we are thought to ignore men and focus on ourselves but that's not our damn fault.

Most of us have met feminists who hate men, I am surprised you haven't met one yet. Where have you been BlueEverglades? We haven't heard from you in a while, are you still living in Miami or have you moved to another state or country (like you were thinking of doing).

[Eric]

Just because the ultra conservative Christian baloney women are there as role models - and I admit that many on the right look like utter fools, but I wonder if sometimes; is it just the lens we are seeing it through? What I mean is...in this modern contemporary secular humanist culture we live in - anything religious somehow looks insane. I've seen it through this lens, and I admit it took some adjusting before I really could (it was an accomplishment), before and admit it's true. But on the other hand, when you're firmly living your life by these principles - on the other side...most secular humanists and modern people today look any number of things, which are not positive or good; frazzled, arrogant, know-it-all (and utter fools at the same time - obvious to anyone but themselves, but the secular culture around us lets us accept each others foolishness as "okay" and part of being human), narcissistic, unachieving, unintelligent, barren - no family, meaningless lives. I'd rather pick being religious or with God. I've tried both sides. There is only Peace on one.
I also have stated this, I think that the right and the churches have been infiltrated by people hoping to do this...make Christianity look ridiculous, drive people away or whatever, etc. I firmly believe that's the case.

How about this. Just educate yourself, do what's best for you - and to me...I found out that Religion and God are necessity, so that's not an option for me. Read the Bible for yourself, any religious texts. You will find out what it means to you. All the words are true, and lead to wisdom and the path of life. It's absolutely important to base your life off of this, if you want the success your parents or their grandparents had - they based their lives off of this. So you see what I'm saying?
That's just what I know.

[Teal Lantern]

Plenty of TFLer men still pining for a plantation invite.
If you wait too long though ...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-gfxjAaZg0[/youtube]

[cdnFA]

That girl on the left, 29, Kate Micucci. She is insanely hot and very adorable although her 29 character is annoying as hell.

We hear this from parents, school system, internet, friends and to hide my feelings towards men because they will run away and think I'm needy just because I like him. I signed up for many mini courses online about relationships along the years and you will be amazed how much we are told by male and female authors and relationship experts to "ACT COLD, DON'T CHASE, DON'T ASK MEN OUT, DON'T SAY I LOVE YOU,DON'T ASK FOR ANYTHING, PAY FOR YOUR OWN SHIT ALL THE TIME, LIVE ALONE IN AN APARTMENT AND JUST WORK WORK WORK, WORK ON YOURSELF, BE SELFISH, KNOW THE RIGHT THING TO SAY TO KEEP HIM AROUND,BE LIKE A MAN AND JUST USE MEN FOR SEX, IF YOU WANT MARRIAGE BE A HIGH QUALITY WOMAN (WHICH USUALLY MEANS IN THEIR WORDS TO HAVE THE INDEPENDENT BITCH MINDSET) that doesn't work for a healthy relationship anyways. In general we are wrapped up in a bubble of "Eliminate feelings, be a working drone, and don't need men" so what do you think is going to happen overtime without any positive role models? And those that pose as positive role models are ultra conservative christian baloney that also doesn't work anymore, where's the balance?

Men are also told to hide feelings or women will run away. Be mean to keep them keen. Something about how people don't want what they can have.
I am a bit of an oddball on that but when I am getting along with a girl and finding connection, she gets much hotter to me. One of the biggest turn on is a girl who has strong feelings and shows them to me. A girl with no interest in me can be physically attractive but it kills the interest otherwise. Again a bit of an oddball is I.

Actually the above mentioned Kate Micucci in real life was dating this guy who was too interested in her and in her words, she was in that phase where she wasn't interested in guys who paid attention. The Blonde Riki Lindhome told the guy he should tone it down. He said no, that it was the way he wanted to be and if she wasn't into it, he would find someone who was and shortly afterwords found someone who approached the attention and love he had.

The theory of not asking men out, almost always, if a dude is interested all you got to do is flirt obviously and if he is interested, most of the time he will go for it saving you the risk of having to oh I donno try. Not asking guys out is in theory a very anti feminist attitude, but much like when the bill comes it is one of those situation when equality goes down the crapper.

I prefer a girl who pays her own way. Fair is fair. I am not interested in dating children and my time is just as valuable as anyone else’s. I agree with this aspect of the PUA thing, paying for a girl on a date is beta as hell, it diminished your value as a human being. I found a girl like that, pays for her self and generally offers to pay for me also. It actually makes me want to pay for her even more because 1: she is awesome and 2: I can trust that she isn't just using me and that her interest is at the same level as mine. However again, I am an oddball. If you are looking for a doormat, it is a very bad sign, but if you are looking for an equal partner in life, a girl that pays her own way is a very positive sign.

Don't be selfish. It is a good way to ruin any relation. However don't allow yourself to be used either. It is a bit of a tightrope to walk. Oddly enough guys are also warned to be selfish or you turn yourself into a beta. There is a happy medium ground. I am not selfish with my current situation and I hope and believe she takes it as me being considerate and not being a bitch.

I don't understand why any course on a relationship would tell women to just have random sex. I suspect that many women who do jump from penis to penis would rather be in a relationship and think wrong that it is the best way to get one. At least the ones involved in hookup culture. They eventually learn.

One can be independent without being a bitch BTW. Most guys well, outside of the HA world would rather not have a girl mooch on them however few want a bitch.

[Eric]

I think all of this "don't be this way, don't show them you care too much.... be independent", whether for man or women; is just bullshit - it's new age propaganda nwo bullshit subtly designed to fracture relationships before they start, cause separateness and individuality while "claiming to help you". Just like No Child Left Behind.
Just like "Black Lives Matter"
Just like Obama's "Hope and Change"
Just like "Forward"
.....just like feminism. Are you seeing a pattern here? All the words are positive but we can clearly see they are destructive. It's only "Lies printed".
Just ignore it, or don't? Haven't you noticed that the people and couples who've decided to ignore this new age propaganda crap - and just act normally toward each other - and found somebody that they can and doesn't care, are truly happy and vibrant and natural, and have more normal relationships?

Any way of telling abuse IN ANY WAY, is when you don't follow it - are you lovingly handled with or accepted - or are you ABUSED to keep in line, ridiculed (abuse), yelled at, shamed, guilted ....or called names or other things to get you in line. That's a tell-tale sign of abuse.

Just get back to basics. If you like her hit on her, encourage the same. F* all that other nonsense. have you noticed worrying about all this crap has never led to anything/
Of course knowing this isn't going to make it any easier. We still live in a country that wants you to be separated, single and independent - even in your "f***ed up unnatural relations" which they tout as "new normal" which are clearly dysfunctional, but they've called them "new normal".
These people care nothing of you and your family, they want and would rather have you dead and dying...
They care nothing of the language they hijack - they have hijacked language and use it to manipulate us.



Just get back to basics. That's it, and let the magic happen baby.



We have had the wool pulled over our eyes. We have been duped/ had, manipulated.... sold down the river. We knew it was happening... we let it, happen.
I think most of us have to remember these basic things, I forgot them until someone brought them "up" in this thread. They had been long forgotten. Programming becomes your new "normal", it's really strange how that happens - but it does.
Most of us know this is happening - but we know the world's changing, we don't have any control over it, so what do we do? The world doesnt want us to have kids, be happy, have loving healthy relationships. It rewards you for fitting into nwo people. Gives you brownie points for it. We know we will be punished for refusing it - in so many subtle ways discriminated against, given a hard time - made fun of and ridiculed for being traditional - because of the programming and programmed people tell you - this is where the vicious abuse comes from; people don't want to see you be happy, because they're damaged ...and you're disobeying the orders, you're "not supposed" to do that, You're not following the rules (that keep everyone apart).
ALl the programming literally just spills out. It's really sad to see it. But just do it, you have to live your life and be happy for your sake.


It's amazing the insights I got just from reading a few of these posts, again. It's like we are literally at the point where, you have to decide whether you want to try to live normally - have a family , and be really happy?
Or just live like they want you to live. Like they are telling you, making you feel 'cool' and just going the programmed way to your death. It won't benefit you, in any way....but you know you'll escape "pissing off our masters" and death and, harassment and ridicule, and a whole gauntlet of hard times going up the stream for not being the "new normal" that everyone wants you to be, here.
Sad but true.
Make a choice. Do you want to live normally/ be traditional, or do you want to stay with the nwo program.
It comes down to that.
We are under attack, either way.

Personally, for me - the statement There are too many people in this world. You guys (especially you evil anglos - for some reason hmmmm, because we are so many, right? ) are just a disease and need to stop reproducing, so we can save the planet from global warming? "We don't want any more of you" ...being pumped into my head from the news/media is not an aphrodisiac - It's very depressing.
Why don't they tell it to Mexicans. Why don't they say it to Latin America, the middle easterners, central America, east asia etc...
Because they need these people for political purposes -, many to cut into; like a knife, the west.

They want to destroy Christendom and the West.

[fschmidt]

And those that pose as positive role models are ultra conservative christian baloney that also doesn't work anymore, where's the balance?

It does work.

http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/view ... 15&t=29056

[BlueEverglades]

Current generations of females have nothing to do with the mess created by this society. We were born in the system and told to conform in order to survive, everything was put in place before we were even born. I have never met a feminist that hates men, we are thought to ignore men and focus on ourselves but that's not our damn fault.

Most of us have met feminists who hate men, I am surprised you haven't met one yet. Where have you been BlueEverglades? We haven't heard from you in a while, are you still living in Miami or have you moved to another state or country (like you were thinking of doing).

Yeah be surprised, I don't care, I think most men in this forum are exaggerating and blaming women they have never even met for their own insecurities. If men really have the need to constantly point the finger at women they were never much of a man to begin with. I am busy with my online business and trying to make as much money as possible to get the hell away from here.

@fschimdt It works so well that those christian couples have the higher divorce rates around. Yeah keep believing the fantasy.


@Eric....All about control lately .....I am not allowed to openly express my desire for a good partner to build a partnership together, both men and women laugh at this and say that should conform myself just with opening my legs and let the guy use me. I mean even the guys here are so pissed women are not being "easy enough" do you actually think I want to speak to a man knowing he wants my most intimate parts with the most minimal work applied and feel like I'm battling a war for a little love against other women too? f**k that, I am not desirable anyways to you guys as I have vitiligo and therefore not good enough as I have been told before. Men never approach me, ask for my phone number or acknowledge in any way or form. It doesn't matter if I dress and act feminine or more open and modern, nothing works for those outside of the norm like myself so I figure I'm better off alone .

[Adama]

Keep in mind that society is run by sociopaths (Godless reprobates and children of Satan). Their goal is to destroy humanity. They have led everyone in a bad direction. I am the first one to say around here that it isn't women's fault. It's because our cultural leaders are Satanists. Unfortunately, many women are also sociopaths as well. I have met a few really chop-busting, aggressive, angry women who would make your blood boil. So there are plenty of feminists. You can spot the usual ones though: short hair, overweight, angry, miserable, stubborn. Some may have long hair and some may have short hair, but they are always angry and disobedient. Then there are the sociopathic sluts, who want to bang every man in sight while pretending she's a good girl. There's a few of them too. Other than the majority of women who are sociopaths, I freaking love "normal" women.

[GoingAwol]

In a way, you do have a point, but you are wrong when you say that women aren't a big part of the problem. I look at young women and there is a night and day difference between them and old ladies. I also look at young guys and they are essentially the same as old men. The only difference is young men don't put women on a pedestal as much as old men because young women are stuck-up b**ches. What's my point? Women are the ones who have fundamentally changed, not men. So yes, women are a big part of the problem.

[jamesbond]

In a way, you do have a point, but you are wrong when you say that women aren't a big part of the problem. Women are the ones who have fundamentally changed, not men. So yes, women are a big part of the problem.

Exactly, if men were the problem in America, you would see international dating sites dedicated to American women who are seeking foreign men. You don't see that, there are only dating sites and agencies for American men seeking foreign women.

American women ARE the problem 100%.

[GoingAwol]

I will admit that there are some crappy men in America, but there are plenty of good men too. Women here choose to ignore the good men and spread their legs for bad boys.

[livefreeordie]

So as a woman you want equality, but then claim the problem has nothing to do with women? At the very least women are 50% of the problem, surely?

I cant even get the chance to bring this up these issues with most nearly every woman I meet, as I'll be quickly labelled as a nutjob for not being a homogenized pasteurized cucked PC friendly modern beta male chump provider or alpha male jerk, and most women in Australia are on the extreme of being in the conformist camp, with a smaller group of non conformists are deeply feminized and tainted by leftism. The truth is i and many other men dont just value women for just sex/relationships but for friendships/intellectual debate also, but to find an intelligent open minded free thinking woman is so extremely rare i have met about one or two which i had friendships with in my whole life perhaps.

The point is women have a choice, and instead of choosing the compassionate sane option, many just cave into being spoiled selfish brats, and let their vices like vanity and selfishness dominate, and turn their sexuality and appeal into weapons of debt slavery and destruction for men and mankind as a whole. No-one forced them into being 'independent bitches' but themselves, as we all have a personal choice to make. It just frightens me to the extent of the brainwashing in Australia, where I think I will find it very difficult near impossible to find a humble, intelligent and attractive woman to share my life with and to raise a happy family, without the satanic programming surfacing at one point or another. At least with a foreign wife I feel I have a good or much better chance at finding a woman that is humble enough to not try and dominate the relationships, and to let me take the natural leadership role, which i find very rare in Australia, and im totally not interested in being a cucked beta provider and debt slave or p***y whipped.

Pareto principle states that the problem lies in 20% of the causes, and it seems most women by default have chosen to engage in the war of the sexes, with men as the enemy, and their own species 'womanhood' needing to be defended at all costs. Worshipping at the shrine of Mammon (money) wont bring them happiness either, regardless of all the brainwashing and 'girl power'

[jamesbond]

Men never approach me, ask for my phone number or acknowledge in any way or form. It doesn't matter if I dress and act feminine or more open and modern, nothing works for those outside of the norm like myself so I figure I'm better off alone.

You stated in one of your posts that you look like Vanessa Hudgens who is rather attractive looking. I am surprised that men don't approach you at all, that's unusual for a young good looking woman in America. Do you use online dating, because if you do, I am sure a lot of men would be sending you messages.

Here are some pictures of Vanessa Hudgens, she is really attractive.

[jamesbond]

I am not allowed to openly express my desire for a good partner to build a partnership together, both men and women laugh at this and say that should conform myself just with opening my legs and let the guy use me. I mean even the guys here are so pissed women are not being "easy enough" do you actually think I want to speak to a man knowing he wants my most intimate parts with the most minimal work applied and feel like I'm battling a war for a little love against other women too? f**k that, I am not desirable anyways to you guys as I have vitiligo and therefore not good enough as I have been told before. Men never approach me, ask for my phone number or acknowledge in any way or form. It doesn't matter if I dress and act feminine or more open and modern, nothing works for those outside of the norm like myself so I figure I'm better off alone.

If you tried online dating you would get hundreds of men sending you messages every week. Now most of the men are just trying to get laid and don't want a relationship, that's the problem with online dating if you are a woman looking to find a boyfriend.

Maybe if you joined a singles group at church you might meet some decent guys.