Chinese men mind your own business

[Taco]

And btw, I got no beef with white males, black males, or anyone else. I make friends with people from every background, heritage, or religion. I just got sick and tired of people always bashing on Asian people when those same people forget that Asians receive just as much racism as anyone else. Just because Asians are "model minorities" does not mean Asians have it easy; It's not easy being an Asian male in this world--and I wish people would recognize that fact!

I think thats a fair comment.

I prefer to classify people by their personality rather than by their ethnic background, I get much better results that way.

[E_Irizarry]

@zboy1,

I like some of your posts, man. I'm so sorry you had gone through that. Keep your head up, and know that you have friends on this forum.

[ph_visitor]

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[ph_visitor]

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[zboy1]

@zboy1,

I like some of your posts, man. I'm so sorry you had gone through that. Keep your head up, and know that you have friends on this forum.

Thanks bro. I appreciate your comments.

[ph_visitor]

@zboy1,

I like some of your posts, man. I'm so sorry you had gone through that. Keep your head up, and know that you have friends on this forum.

Thanks bro. I appreciate your comments.

Q.E.D.

zboy and E_Iriz,

I am fine.

Thank you both for your heart-warming concern and sentiments. /s

[zboy1]

@zboy1,

I like some of your posts, man. I'm so sorry you had gone through that. Keep your head up, and know that you have friends on this forum.

Now, I want to point out something regarding the PC Hypocrisy.

You express sorrow to zboy, but zboy doesn't express sorrow to me nor do you.

I think we can assume that you are apologizing for he being treated as such by Whites.

But somehow you and he neglected to apologize for me being treated as such by Asians.

See the hypocrisy?

By accounts I have been treated worse than zboy, but because I am White and the perps are Asian...

That's not true. I understand and sympathize that you are being mistreated by some Chinese people. I know some Asians can be very xenophobic and racist. But you're the one who generalized ALL Chinese as being racist and comparing them to KKK and Nazis. And you're constant bashing of Chinese, Filipinos, and other Asians kinda gets tiring after a while. After all, isn't this whole website about being "Happier Abroad." I myself, am in the process of moving out of the U.S. because I'm not happy at the way I'm treated here as an Asian man. Move to somewhere where you'll be happiest and most fulfilled.

My whole point with my rant is why are you're still living in China if you're unhappy with the racism there. As Ladislav has pointed out--they're a ton of countries out there that would be a better fit for you, PH_Visitor. How about moving to Eastern Europe or Russia--where I'm sure you would be far happier over there?

[Truthville]

Interesting subject.....

As a white man I have been called honky-redneck-cracker-vanilla ice-ghost etc......

As a white junior high student I got decked by a black guy simply for walking into the boy's locker room while he and his buddies were there.

As a white junior high student, I was FORCED to join a pseudo black gang IF I didn't want to get my ass beat on a daily basis.

As a white adult, I tried to be the "peacemaker" at a party after these three young black guys wouldn't leave and one got punched. One of his two friends walked up to me, said "Don't get cool with me white boy," and pointed a chrome .22 at my head.

As a white adult I worked with a black man who stated that ALL European people were "inherently" evil and should be killed.

As a white adult, I've had people, even on this board, try to blame me, simply because of my skin color, for their own failures in life and/or the status of their "people."

As a white adult, at my college job, I been ignored whenever I try to simply say "Hi" to Asian student organization members, especially the men.

As a white adult, at my college job, I read almost weekly about things like "white privilege" and how my so-called "race" is destroying the world and should be "overthrown" from their lofty positions of power.

And on and on BUT I 'm sure you all get the picture.

IF you think that white men, by and large, have some kind of "charmed and privileged" existence, for 99% of us, you would be wrong.

In fact, the so-called "white" race is the only group in the U.S in which it is totally acceptable, and sometimes encouraged to, hate, mock, insult and hurt without ANY fear of public sanction.

Let me put it to you all this way!

IF you seen a white man getting jumped by other men of YOUR "race," would you intervene?

[ph_visitor]

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[ladislav]

Ladislav, the same complaints that you and Ph_visitor have towards Asian countries is the same complaint I can make for how Asian men are treated in Western countries. It goes both ways you know...

I have a funny feeling there is some gloating here, or am I mistaken? We should not unleash our fury upon each other here, but rather help each other. We need to find places where we are happier and not on a society's shit list.

I don't think we should organize a martyrdom contest here. This is really not the point here. Most Northern peoples, white or yellow are just xenophobic. But even then it is not all black and white.

For example, as xenophobic as the Japanese are, they are also very polite people that know how to mind their own business. So, xenophobia there has polite limits and you would get none of what ph-visitor experiences in China. If you have a gf, there will be quick stares and then they will just look away. No direct eye contact. No bozos coming up to her and saying- "who is this, is a Japanese man no good for you etc?". They are robotic but that is what is good about them in this case- they just don't care about you.

I was with one girl for a long time and I only got one sinister look in several months, most other looks were just emotionless curiosity.

I have a Semitic appearance and I was mistaken for an Indian here in the Philippines several times and one drunk guy tried to get into a fight with me. Some girls also gave me a hard time. But I can count such incidents on the fingers of one hand. 90 % of the people are great here. at least vis-a-vis-me.

Also, when living among Slavs, a lot of them did not like my Semitic looks, dark hair and a big nose. I got called all kinds of racial names. But it was not an hourly occurrence. Maybe it would happen say, once every 4 months. Still hurt but can you imagine someone calling you some bad name and sticking a finger at you several times a day? It must hurt a lot. So one needs to avoid such places.

Let's just put our heads together and stop bickering, gentlemen, won't we? Let us all give advice to each other how to avoid racism and find places where we can get jobs and live good lives. Zboy, the US sucks for a guy with an Oriental face, and parts of China suck for a guy with an Occidental face. These places are not civil enough and the people there are just hicks. So much is clear. We need to avoid them and go where things are better.

And it is not as easy as saying- get the hell out, leave, etc. And it is rude to say it, too. People have jobs, family and professional connections, etc. And sometimes people make mistakes and end up in a wrong place through bad choices, by following bad advice and even through birth and parents' choice.

So, shall we calm down please?

ph-visitor. What is your plan? You know, you can't be there where you are at now. It will kill you. You need to make plans to move to a better place.
z-boy, what about you? where do you plan to go? what is your plan?

Let's cooperate please.

We cannot waste a minute of our precious time arguing in the manner - oh, white racists insulted me. yeah, but yellow racists do it more often. What does it do to aleviate the pain? People do feel helpless and alone and not at home while being surrounded by thuggish hicks, yellow, white, black, brown, etc. They are all just barbaric so let's try and go where we will not see such behavior or at least where that evil is in manageable amounts.

[zboy1]

Let me put it to you all this way!

IF you seen a white man getting jumped by other men of YOUR "race," would you intervene?

I think most human beings are tribal in nature--that is, for the most part, people are only concerned with people that look like them. So, for most people, they probably would not intervene.

In fact, the so-called "white" race is the only group in the U.S in which it is totally acceptable, and sometimes encouraged to, hate, mock, insult and hurt without ANY fear of public sanction.

I think you could include Asians as well to that list. Certainly Asians are no way as protected as Blacks or Jews are in the media.


Truthville, I think your experiences and mines only highlight how f***ed up the racial situation is in the United States. We've both had terrible things happen to us because our skin color. I think we can all agree that the U.S. is as f***ed up as China in regards to racism.

[MrPeabody]

It seems that the main problem is being in a rural setting. These people have been living in small groups where everyone knows everyone else for centuries. Why should they all of a sudden be expected to accept a stranger who doesn't look like them? People who live in cities have to deal with strangers and trust them on a daily basis in order to survive. But trusting a stranger really isn't that good of a thing. Look at how willingly we read forums and believe what we hear from anonymous, faceless posters we have never met. So who is more pathological - us or them? Multiculturalism really puts enormous stress on people and is turning out not to be such a good thing. Also, early Jewish anthropologists have sold us the line that race is a mythology, but recent DNA studies is showing that race is a reality. Have we all been sold a bill of goods? Are rural people who live in small groups, only trust people they know, and reject outsiders acting in accordance to nature? Are we the freaks?

[zboy1]

It seems that the main problem is being in a rural setting. These people have been living in small groups where everyone knows everyone else for centuries. Why should they all of a sudden be expected to accept a stranger who doesn't look like them? People who live in cities have to deal with strangers and trust them on a daily basis in order to survive. But trusting a stranger really isn't that good of a thing. Look at how willingly we read forums and believe what we hear from anonymous, faceless posters we have never met. So who is more pathological - us or them? Multiculturalism really puts enormous stress on people and is turning out not to be such a good thing. Also, early Jewish anthropologists have sold us the line that race is a mythology, but recent DNA studies is showing that race is a reality. Have we all been sold a bill of goods? Are rural people who live in small groups, only trust people they know, and reject outsiders acting in accordance to nature? Are we the freaks?

Good point!

[momopi]

I'm from a rural township in Taiwan. If not for the hospital nearby, most people in TW probably wouldn't know where it was. The hospital is called Changhua Christine Hospital, and it had the best maternity ward in central Taiwan region when I was young, and to this day I still meet new friends in California who were born at the same hospital. If you go to the hospital's web site (http://www.cch.org.tw/) you'd note that it's avail in traditional Chinese, simplified Chinese, English, Japanese, and Arabic. The hospital also sent oversea missions abroad and hosted missionaries in the old days. We even had a white family who lived across the street from us when I was young, and I somehow ended up being sent to a private Catholic school for a few years. White people were not that numerous, but it was common enough that people didn't bother. But when we had a black priest in town, all the kids went chasing after him because nobody saw a black person (in-person) before. After a few days the priest bribed us with candy and we left him alone.

I've known many people who went abroad to Asia. Most had a great time, but a few did not. If you send 100 exchange students to Japan, you'll have ones who'd be out making friends, drinking at the beer house, dating, getting laid, etc. But you'll also get a few who'd sit in their apartment/dorm rooms, get depressed, and want to go home. As I've mentioned previously, my GF did her study abroad (Pepperdine MBA) in Tsinghua University, Beijing. She was in the international student class/section and had classmates from all over the world. I've meet several of her classmates from France, Italy, Germany, Denmark, etc. The ones that I meet completed their studies and had a great time there. A few got married with locals and settled down in China. Some came to the US. But the point here is that the ones I meet all completed their studies and had a great time there. I'd imagine, there was probably a few who didn't have a good time, dropped out, and went back home.

I've also known western missionaries who went to China and had a great time. In early days they still had the mindset of smuggling Bibles in their suitcases. Once they figured out who to befriend and what acceptable limits/tolerances are, things went more smoothly and they established Churches, made many friends, learned the language, and a few single guys got married and settled down in China.

There is no set rule, majority, generally, guarantee, or whatever that can determine in advance if every visitor will have a good time in China, or not. Every person's experience is different depending on who you are, where you go, and who you meet. I have a Caucasian friend from California who is a "golden boy" (tall, blonde, blue eyed), doctor, learned acupuncture in Taiwan, and speaks some Chinese. At medical conferences in Taiwan and China, he dress the part and the locals want to shake hands with him and have photos taken with him. A few local girls he meet actively chased him. But that's him and not you, and just because he had girls chasing him doesn't mean that it worked out (he's still single). It's entirely possible that you could be in the right place at the right time to meet the right person, get married and have a family (or not).

千里之行，始于足下

A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. If you don't take that step, then you'd stay exactly where you are. Life experiences are not intended to be perfect or universal. Instead of worrying about someone else's life (or someone's claim at being popular or getting laid in country XYZ), you should start worrying about living your own life.

[ph_visitor]

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