Why Taiwan SUCKS in all areas except food & safety

[Winston]

Rock,
LOL what would it accomplish if I succumbed to Shaun Bettinson's "I love Taiwan" campaign? Nothing would be accomplished. Why don't you do it? Take a photo of yourself and upload it to Shaun's website. LOL

I will email Shaun and show him the thread above and ask him for a solution. lol

Well Rock, if Taiwan is so great, and you can't even introduce ONE girl to me (whereas me and my friend introduced you to several girls) that speaks volumes, regardless of any excuses.

All Taiwan is are excuses excuses excuses. No solutions or results. Everything is an excuse.

No one cares if you are lonely here. All they care about is work work work work work.

So what if I'm not white. Sean told me that he's white and sometimes feels lonely in Taiwan too. I know that doesn't fit into your paradigm, but I swear he said that.

You are a strange friend in that you are the only one who likes to put me down. My other friends don't do that, and I don't do that to them either.

A lot of your views are also minority views, not majority ones. The majority of girls we asked said that I do NOT look like a taxi driver and that I look fine with short trim neat hair, just like George Clooney does. LOL

You also do not put weeks or months into "working on" girls without meeting them in person either.

I told you, if I was 19, I could waste months and months in platonic conversation with girls, hoping that it would go somewhere, but not now. You don't put in months of platonic chat either.

I can be in a monogamous relationship if given the chance. The problem is, the ones I like never like me.

I already got Ally's number from Ling Ling and have friended her on FB too. Sure she is very nice and very hot and my type. I do chat with her on FB and make polite innocent small talk. But she works all the time and is very innocent and I'm not sure what to do from there. It's not like I can just say, "Are you free next week? Would you like to meet?" like I can in other foreign countries. See what I mean? Taiwan is so complicated! Plus Ling Ling said that she expressed an interest in you, not me.

My friend Ling Ling introduced you to a hot girl named Ming Ming who is 20 and hot and your type. Yet you didn't even have the guts to call her or let me call her for you and ask her out.

See what I mean? It's so f***ing complicated!

Ann told me that she introduced you to a plump woman who was your type in Taipei, but that she was very conservative and sheltered and was afraid to even ride the safe and convenient train alone. lol

How come other people can introduce people, but you and Momopi, brilliant as you both are, can't? lol

Also, when we met two hot TW girls at McDonald's, you lost their number the next day! I would never have lost a hot girl's number the next day! Why are white guys so clumsy about things like that?

See what I mean? Taiwan is a jinx. Everything always goes wrong.

Monkro is an exception and anomaly. 99 percent of Indian guys in Taiwan probably get nothing. Taiwanese girls consider them to be disgusting.

Also, Monkro told me that many girls flaked on him too. And you admitted that you've been rejected as well, but as a man, you don't like to admit it openly of course. No man does.

What would you do if you were me and blocked from every angle? What would you do if everyone gave you excuses and no solutions?

Also, did you show those Taipei girls good photos of me, or bad ones? You tend to prefer to ridicule me rather than portray me in the best possible light.

Yeah go ahead and trying calling that p4p phone number in Taipei that I gave you, and see what the deal is or if you even get the actual girl in that photo.

Bottom line: Taiwan is all excuses excuses excuses. Nothing but excuses.

[Falcon]

(1) The Singaporean solution: now half-price!




(2) It's the Taiwanese solution too:




(3) Being fluent in other languages greatly helps, as indicated by the cheesy narration.




(4) And it all ends happily ever after:




(5) But you may have to deal with wacko in-laws like this:

[Winston]

- What's an "a bei"? (This is due to my "waishengren" roots, as I have 100% fluency in Mandarin but 0% in Taiwanese.)

- You might want to rethink #2. I've also watched a YouTube video where a Taiwanese-American guy in his 20's, who speaks very little Mandarin, reports being popular with the girls in Taiwan. He had some pictures of himself posing with multiple Taiwanese women. However, he suspects it's because of the fact that he's based in the money-rich US of A. I can't find the video now unfortunately.

By 'a bei' she meant he sounded like someone from her dad's generation, out of touch with current colloquialisms and manners of speech. Also, she said he sounded hickish cus she's used to northern style Taiwanese.

In Taipei City, virtually all young people you see out and about in trendier areas seem to speak solely in Mandarin. Just speaking in Taiwanese at all can make you suspect, lol.

What do you expect? My parents are from the south, and have a southern accent. I emulated their accent. However, many Taiwanese say that I speak Taiwanese with a foreign accent or American one, not a southern one.

You ought to go back to my uncle's medicine shop and tell him that Taiwanese sounds low class. LOL. He is a DPP fanatic and you should see how he reacts to that.

It sounds like your ex is shallow and narrow. Mandarin was imported to Taiwan, it is not part of Taiwan's heritage. Only shallow narrow brainwashed people would look down on the Taiwanese language. Tell your ex that that reflects her ignorance of her own heritage and brainwashing.

Honestly Rock, you also sound pretty shallow and materialistic as well. You always look down on everything if it is not brand new and up to date with the latest expensive fads and gadgets. You don't look at things with a spiritual perspective. Also, you talk big and brag and show off the latest iPhone like a status symbol. You judge people on their hair style too. All of this is shallow. You say you are interested in spirituality, but you don't have spiritual views nor do your comments contain any spiritual wisdom. Spiritual people don't do things like that. And spiritual guys don't ridicule other guys like you do. You sometimes act like you're in high school.

In your trendy views, you lose sight of the fact that the Taipei folks who are downing their own heritage are the ones in the wrong and denying their own culture, by looking down at the Taiwanese language, which is their own heritage. Culture is supposed to be treasured, not looked down upon. But what do you care? All you care about are trends.

[Winston]

Vietnamese brides aren't really an option for me, because the goal is to date someone of my own race.

But even if they were, I wouldn't rely on an expensive agency. In today's internet based world, you don't need to.

[Falcon]

Wait, then why did you date in Russia and the Philippines? Russians and native Filipinas are racially even more different. You were even open-minded enough to have a mixed baby.

[Winston]

Wait, then why did you date in Russia and the Philippines? Russians and native Filipinas are racially even more different. You were even open-minded enough to have a mixed baby.

Dude, that was BEFORE. This is NOW! I was crazy about blondes before because they were the most unattainable group to me in the US. I also like dark exotic women, but very few of them in the PH were attractive, but I still had my fair share of hot girls in the PH.

Tastes and preferences change over time as one discovers themselves.

[Rock]

- What's an "a bei"? (This is due to my "waishengren" roots, as I have 100% fluency in Mandarin but 0% in Taiwanese.)

- You might want to rethink #2. I've also watched a YouTube video where a Taiwanese-American guy in his 20's, who speaks very little Mandarin, reports being popular with the girls in Taiwan. He had some pictures of himself posing with multiple Taiwanese women. However, he suspects it's because of the fact that he's based in the money-rich US of A. I can't find the video now unfortunately.

By 'a bei' she meant he sounded like someone from her dad's generation, out of touch with current colloquialisms and manners of speech. Also, she said he sounded hickish cus she's used to northern style Taiwanese.

In Taipei City, virtually all young people you see out and about in trendier areas seem to speak solely in Mandarin. Just speaking in Taiwanese at all can make you suspect, lol.

What do you expect? My parents are from the south, and have a southern accent. I emulated their accent. However, many Taiwanese say that I speak Taiwanese with a foreign accent or American one, not a southern one.

You ought to go back to my uncle's medicine shop and tell him that Taiwanese sounds low class. LOL. He is a DPP fanatic and you should see how he reacts to that.

It sounds like your ex is shallow and narrow. Mandarin was imported to Taiwan, it is not part of Taiwan's heritage. Only shallow narrow brainwashed people would look down on the Taiwanese language. Tell your ex that that reflects her ignorance of her own heritage and brainwashing.

Honestly Rock, you also sound pretty shallow and materialistic as well. You always look down on everything if it is not brand new and up to date with the latest expensive fads and gadgets. You don't look at things with a spiritual perspective. Also, you talk big and brag and show off the latest iPhone like a status symbol. You judge people on their hair style too. All of this is shallow. You say you are interested in spirituality, but you don't have spiritual views nor do your comments contain any spiritual wisdom. Spiritual people don't do things like that. And spiritual guys don't ridicule other guys like you do. You sometimes act like you're in high school.

In your trendy views, you lose sight of the fact that the Taipei folks who are downing their own heritage are the ones in the wrong and denying their own culture, by looking down at the Taiwanese language, which is their own heritage. Culture is supposed to be treasured, not looked down upon. But what do you care? All you care about are trends.

O come-on, that's not fair to my ex. She speaks Taiwanese all the time at home. I'm the one who gets annoyed by it. She's fine with Taiwanese as its one of her native languages. But she just said u came across as from an older generation (I suspect its cus u speak it mainly with your parents).

I don't give a rat's ass about showing off an IPhone or other gadgets. I mean, like 30% of the people here have them so its not like they are unique or anything. What other latest gadgets do I show off? I'm put off by Chiayi for many of the same reasons you are. People there either seem super conservative or else part of the black world. Seems not to be much in between. Taipei couldn't be more different.

Also, when you were losing it last week and letting your ego get out of control talking about being some tough guy and kicking major ass, I was the one who suggested you read and take to heart "The Power of Now". Spiritual people don't generally talk and behave like juvenile Americans.

[Rock]

You ought to go back to my uncle's medicine shop and tell him that Taiwanese sounds low class. LOL. He is a DPP fanatic and you should see how he reacts to that.

It sounds like your ex is shallow and narrow. Mandarin was imported to Taiwan, it is not part of Taiwan's heritage. Only shallow narrow brainwashed people would look down on the Taiwanese language. Tell your ex that that reflects her ignorance of her own heritage and brainwashing.

BTW, I believe min nan yu (Taiwanese as many here call it) was also 'imported' to Taiwan. The oldest languages of this land are the aboriginal ones, not anything coming from Han Chinese.

I bet my ex knows a lot more about Taiwan than you do. She has a very curious mind and often talks to her dad about things Taiwanese as well as enjoying many books and movies about both Taiwan and China. You on the other hand, seem to lack basic awareness of the last few decades of history here plus what's currently going on as you've admitted many times. Don't you think you're the one who suffers from ignorance of his own heritage?

[Rock]

One more thing Winston, I have introduced you to girls here. Remember that girl from Taichung (Liang Yu) who you really liked and went out on a date with. I was the one who set you up with her. I also set you up with her friend before that. And, the girl you still see sometimes in Taichung was introduced to you by her too. And I introduced you to receptionist at a Taichung Hotel even if she is not so much your type.

The photos I've shown to girls are the ones at the bottom of your home page (one w/red shirt and the other black and white). Aren't those the ones you are most proud of? It's easy cus all they have to do is go to your website on their ever present smart phone and scroll down to bottom. I once even showed you to a girl Monkro was talking to at Shi Da.

The second girl Ling Ling introduced me to was not very interested and I caught on to that vibe right away even tho she may have missed it. Very common. I do admit that when I was active approaching lots of girls, rejection was normal part of the game. If you can bat 1 or 2 out of 10, you are doing fine at the initial stage. But that implies 8-9 rejections in 10 approaches. That's a far cry from never getting rejected. Just ask Monkro, lol.

[Rayn]

Even when I do meet girls in Taiwan, it's all platonic or else they just add me to their Facebook and never write me or offer to meet me again, unlike girls in other foreign countries. Instead, they are always busy and don't care about me.

Remember that I told you in the other thread to move on and buzz them off when girls attempt to direct you to Facebook when you try to get in touch with them?

I told you so, Winston. I really told you so.

[Winston]

Ok I did it. I created a blog post addressed to Shaun Bettinson, and emailed it to him. I also tagged his name in it, so that it should appear high in Google search results for his name. Here is the blog post:

http://janet-hsieh-sucks.blogspot.com/2 ... o-win.html

I wonder if he will even bother to respond. I probably don't fit into his world, only people like Janet Hsieh do. lol

I love rocking the world of fake people. lol

Btw, I PMed this thread to De, a new forum member here who also lives in Taiwan. His response:

Winston,

I've read your thread, and even before that... I've came with the conclusion that:

We are checkmated, because we are asian-desencendant. If you or I were white, we would not be going through this, instead, we would be living paradise like many other people affirm.

Why I say it's because we are asian? You should understand what I mean, if not, I'll explain next time in the threads!

[celery2010]

why don't you try using a matchmaker or try speed dating or something?

[Winston]

Rock,
Sorry I misunderstood you. I thought you meant that you ex looks down on the Taiwanese language as being low class or inferior. At least I don't look down on it. Speaking Taiwanese makes you feel closer to the person for some reason. The language seems to create a certain connection that you don't get with Mandarin.

Anyway, why are you citing Luang Yu as a girl you introduced to me? lol. You and I know that she turned out to be a gold digger with bad intentions. So that doesn't really count. Come on now. I was talking about DECENT girls, like the ones that were introduced to you by Ling Ling. You know what I mean. LOL

I have a few questions for you:

1. When you say "work on" a girl, do you mean make small talk with her everyday? If so, at what point is it ok to ask her out? At what point is it appropriate? At what point can you even suggest she talk to you on the phone?

2. You said in another thread that you bedded 100 girls in Taiwan right? Did you have to "work on" each one of them for weeks or months? lol. Come on now. No one can slowly work on 100 girls. lol

3. In other threads, you said that you got intimacy from all your women within three dates, but now you say that you have to "work on" them for weeks or months first. Isn't that a contradiction? lol

4. You obviously aren't monogamous either, so why doesn't that count against you, but it counts against me? And you don't like to "work on" girls for months either, so why does that count against me but not you? lol

5. Finally, one correction. It is not true that I live out in "the sticks". The sticks usually refers to remote farm or rural areas. But I live on a mountain with fresh air in a gated community 15-20 minutes from downtown Chiayi. That's not "the sticks" and it's not very remote. lol. Your judgment seems warped. This community is comprised of doctors and wealthy retired people. Ask my parents. Doctors don't live in "the sticks". lol

Also, consider that writers need peace and quiet. No writer likes noise, because it blocks their thoughts and neural pathways and they are overly sensitive to it than most. See the essay "On Noise" by Arthur Schopenhauer.

Why do you imply that I should live in a city, where cement, traffic, stress, pollution, and commercialism dominate, even in Chiayi? Writers don't like to live in environments like that, and spiritual types don't either. Cement, traffic and commercialism everywhere is draining to spiritual and sensitive types. Don't you know that?

Are you one of those snobs who look down on people who don't live in big cities? Geez. That's not very spiritual of you.

Why would I want to live where you live? Sure, the city has more conveniences, but cement, traffic, no parking spaces, noise, stress and commercialism are draining to me. And where you live is over-priced as well. There's no reason to live in a big city unless you have a good job there. But even then, if you are a spiritual or sensitive type, big cities aren't good for you because they will drain you. Cement, traffic and stress are draining and tiresome, no doubt. Where I am, I have peace and quiet and fresh air, which is far better for my senses.

You fail to consider all that.

Also, I don't see why you think big city people are more open and friendly. Most people don't agree with that. If you go to Russia, you will see that big city people in Moscow are snobbier than people in small towns or villages. It's common knowledge there. Maybe Taiwan is an anomaly, but in the rest of the world it's reversed. And also, local people in Taiwan often say that Taipei people are LESS friendly than Southerners. For some reason, only foreigners think Taipei is more friendly. I don't know why.

[Rock]

Rock,
Sorry I misunderstood you. I thought you meant that you ex looks down on the Taiwanese language as being low class or inferior. At least I don't look down on it. Speaking Taiwanese makes you feel closer to the person for some reason. The language seems to create a certain connection that you don't get with Mandarin.

Anyway, why are you citing Luang Yu as a girl you introduced to me? lol. You and I know that she turned out to be a gold digger with bad intentions. So that doesn't really count. Come on now. I was talking about DECENT girls, like the ones that were introduced to you by Ling Ling. You know what I mean. LOL

I have a few questions for you:

1. When you say "work on" a girl, do you mean make small talk with her everyday? If so, at what point is it ok to ask her out? At what point is it appropriate? At what point can you even suggest she talk to you on the phone?

2. You said in another thread that you bedded 100 girls in Taiwan right? Did you have to "work on" each one of them for weeks or months? lol. Come on now. No one can slowly work on 100 girls. lol

3. In other threads, you said that you got intimacy from all your women within three dates, but now you say that you have to "work on" them for weeks or months first. Isn't that a contradiction? lol

4. You obviously aren't monogamous either, so why doesn't that count against you, but it counts against me? And you don't like to "work on" girls for months either, so why does that count against me but not you? lol

5. Finally, one correction. It is not true that I live out in "the sticks". The sticks usually refers to remote farm or rural areas. But I live on a mountain with fresh air in a gated community 15-20 minutes from downtown Chiayi. That's not "the sticks" and it's not very remote. lol. Your judgment seems warped. This community is comprised of doctors and wealthy retired people. Ask my parents. Doctors don't live in "the sticks". lol

Also, consider that writers need peace and quiet. No writer likes noise, because it blocks their thoughts and neural pathways and they are overly sensitive to it than most. See the essay "On Noise" by Arthur Schopenhauer.

Why do you imply that I should live in a city, where cement, traffic, stress, pollution, and commercialism dominate, even in Chiayi? Writers don't like to live in environments like that, and spiritual types don't either. Cement, traffic and commercialism everywhere is draining to spiritual and sensitive types. Don't you know that?

Are you one of those snobs who look down on people who don't live in big cities? Geez. That's not very spiritual of you.

Why would I want to live where you live? Sure, the city has more conveniences, but cement, traffic, no parking spaces, noise, stress and commercialism are draining to me. And where you live is over-priced as well. There's no reason to live in a big city unless you have a good job there. But even then, if you are a spiritual or sensitive type, big cities aren't good for you because they will drain you. Cement, traffic and stress are draining and tiresome, no doubt. Where I am, I have peace and quiet and fresh air, which is far better for my senses.

You fail to consider all that.

Also, I don't see why you think big city people are more open and friendly. Most people don't agree with that. If you go to Russia, you will see that big city people in Moscow are snobbier than people in small towns or villages. It's common knowledge there. Maybe Taiwan is an anomaly, but in the rest of the world it's reversed. And also, local people in Taiwan often say that Taipei people are LESS friendly than Southerners. For some reason, only foreigners think Taipei is more friendly. I don't know why.

1. Hey, the first girl introduced didn't dig me just like Liang Yu who I introduced didn't dig you. But both cases were backed by good intentions and count as an introduction, lol.

2. I've heard that said by many locals about Taiwanese, being more colorful and bringing people closer. I guess its more colloquial and less formal. Unfortunately, I didn't pick it up cus my workplace was full of waishengren, ABCs, and foreigners.

3. Working on girls means chatting with them on the phone or in cases where they worked in a public venue, popping by to say hello and chat in person sometimes. You build up a big phone number list and concentrate your efforts where you get the best responses (the warmer ones) and/or the ones you like the best. In time, some of the girls start calling or texting you too. Within 3 face-to-face dates or so, its usually clear whether the relationship is just friendship or intimate.

4. I think local girls here often have different expectations of foreigners and Taiwanese (which is what you are in their mind). As a Taiwanese, especially one at or past late 20s, you would be expected to be seeking a serious relationship. By chasing her or pursuing her over time, you slowly prove your sincerity and seriousness. If you are lucky, she will start to develop feelings for you over time as you grow on her.

5. When I got into serious relationships, I did become mostly monogamous. But during other times, I was a free bird and at times got addicted to approaching and serial dating. I think my work pressures contributed to this at times compulsive behavior pattern.

6. I did enjoy working on girls. As you have observed yourself, I enjoy having long conversations with various people. Chatting by phone with attractive girls I had previously approached falls within the scope of this.

7. I'm a mid-westerner from a real rinky-dink town. Where I come from, 'the sticks' means either a place located outside of the main town or even a small town in a rural (as opposed to suburban) area. And yes, we had doctors living there. In fact, one of my uncles who's been there his whole life is an orthodontist.

8. The reason I might imply that you shouldn't live where you do is simply that you are so damn miserable there. Just read some of your own threads. You definitely need to try something new. I've said its best if you just leave Taiwan for a new HA spot. But I've also said that perhaps you should give other areas a try since you project what you see and experience in Chiayi these days to pretty much be representative of the whole island circa 2012. I don't think it is. But you won't find out for sure unless you try living somewhere else for awhile. If not Taipei, what about that hippie/rocker enclave near Taitung another poster (Celeray something) mentioned yesterday?

9. Well I'm a small town hick myself by upbringing. But I've always had a fascination with big cities and moved to one (Chicago) as soon as I could. In many of the countries I've traveled to including Taiwan, I've had an easier time identifying with and relating to people from the capital or leading city(ies) than those from smaller cities or the countryside. But in China, my sweet-spot has always been Tier 2 cities.

10. Most local people in Taipei I've asked claim that people in the center and south of Taiwan are warmer, friendlier, and more hospitable. But I have yet to experience much of this warmth on my brief trips down country. I've already commented on Chiayi. Taichung doesn't seem like a very friendly place to me either. I haven't been to Kaoshiung in years but I remember being put-off by the beetle nut chewing cab drivers. And you just see a lot more seedy characters and uneducated types in those smaller towns of central and southern Taiwan than in Taipei City. And cops in Taipei are a lot stricter about enforcing order and citing minor traffic violations. My big complaint about Taipei vs. center and south has always been just one issue - the weather.

[Winston]

Ok I did it. I created a blog post addressed to Shaun Bettinson, and emailed it to him. I also tagged his name in it, so that it should appear high in Google search results for his name. Here is the blog post:

http://janet-hsieh-sucks.blogspot.com/2 ... o-win.html

I wonder if he will even bother to respond. I probably don't fit into his world, only people like Janet Hsieh do. lol

I love rocking the world of fake people. lol

Well Shaun responded to me, but it wasn't very nice. lol

I'm going to post his response in a new thread, so that I can put his name in the topic title so that it will show up in search engines higher than if I just mention his name in a post. Here it is:

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