Why do men have to do all the work when it comes to dating?

[NorthAmericanguy]

Why is it that men have to always do all the work when it comes to dating? It is really frustrating me. Men have to pursue a woman, impress her, get her phone number, have to drive a fancy car, be rich, be popular, be attractive, have six pack abs, be interesting, confident, have to deal with rejections, must have a game, etc. But it seems like women don't have to do anything other than dress and put on make up. Even ugly women can put on make up and they would still have guys asking them out. Why do males have to take PUA classes while women can sit on their fat asses and not do anything and still get men? It is so unfair. What happened to equality? Basically women want to be equal to men but they never approach men and still expect men to make the first moves..

I was at the same crossroads you were a few years ago. Story short, there are 2 main reasons why men have to do all the work when they pursue women in the United Sates, which, synergistically creates an environment where women have a complete monopoly over sex and dispensing female affection.



1. Sex work in America is illegal. This means that single men are blocked from obtaining sexual relief at a cheap cost without incurring any obligations to have access to sexual relief. So in other words, single men are essentially coerced into the dating market (marriage/relationships). And also, though this massive coercion, restaurant owners, jewelers, movie theater companies, ect, become rich.

2. Women are trained to control their sex drive and have some amount of sexual discipline all while men are trained to lust after women and have no concept of sexual discipline. What this does then is that it gives women a huge advantage in the dating market over men because women will be able to control their sexual desires anytime they deal with men where as a male will not be able to control himself when he gets around women. So under this situation, a woman can always think clearly and strategize ways to where things are always in her favor whenever she deals with men because the male will temporarily forgo using basic logic and reasoning to succumb to the wishes/terms of a woman simply out if his desire to have sex.

3. American culture dictates that males should pursue women and that it's improper for women to pursue men unless the male in pursuit is single and rich.



So to recap and explain it another way, American men are purposely sexually starved all while the majority of American women have been trained in the art of controlling men with sex, and eliciting male sexual arousal, which, as a result, causes the dating market to be much more favorable to women then men.

Can you imagine how good it would feel like if women actually started asking men out? We can only fantasize about that one unfortunately.

Women do ask men out, but women only ask the highly desirable men out. So men who are rich, famous, or very good looking get asked out.

[Ghost]

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[marklambo]

Why is it that men have to always do all the work when it comes to dating? It is really frustrating me. Men have to pursue a woman, impress her, get her phone number, have to drive a fancy car, be rich, be popular, be attractive, have six pack abs, be interesting, confident, have to deal with rejections, must have a game, etc. But it seems like women don't have to do anything other than dress and put on make up. Even ugly women can put on make up and they would still have guys asking them out. Why do males have to take PUA classes while women can sit on their fat asses and not do anything and still get men? It is so unfair. What happened to equality? Basically women want to be equal to men but they never approach men and still expect men to make the first moves..

I was at the same crossroads you were a few years ago. Story short, there are 2 main reasons why men have to do all the work when they pursue women in the United Sates, which, synergistically creates an environment where women have a complete monopoly over sex and dispensing female affection.



1. Sex work in America is illegal. This means that single men are blocked from obtaining sexual relief at a cheap cost without incurring any obligations to have access to sexual relief. So in other words, single men are essentially coerced into the dating market (marriage/relationships). And also, though this massive coercion, restaurant owners, jewelers, movie theater companies, ect, become rich.

2. Women are trained to control their sex drive and have some amount of sexual discipline all while men are trained to lust after women and have no concept of sexual discipline. What this does then is that it gives women a huge advantage in the dating market over men because women will be able to control their sexual desires anytime they deal with men where as a male will not be able to control himself when he gets around women. So under this situation, a woman can always think clearly and strategize ways to where things are always in her favor whenever she deals with men because the male will temporarily forgo using basic logic and reasoning to succumb to the wishes/terms of a woman simply out if his desire to have sex.

3. American culture dictates that males should pursue women and that it's improper for women to pursue men unless the male in pursuit is single and rich.



So to recap and explain it another way, American men are purposely sexually starved all while the majority of American women have been trained in the art of controlling men with sex, and eliciting male sexual arousal, which, as a result, causes the dating market to be much more favorable to women then men.

Can you imagine how good it would feel like if women actually started asking men out? We can only fantasize about that one unfortunately.

Women do ask men out, but women only ask the highly desirable men out. So men who are rich, famous, or very good looking get asked out.

And to add salt to the wounds, the women also want equality on top of it all. They get mad if you tell them they can't do a "man's job" so they become police officers, construction workers, mechanics, etc to prove a point. They get the equality they want, but yet they still don't want to give up the goods. Just like someone mentioned in another post, American women are basically men with breasts.

[jamesbond]

American women are basically men with breasts.

That's the best description I have ever heard of American women!

[marklambo]

American women are basically men with breasts.

That's the best description I have ever heard of American women!

lol!

[leavingusa]

Why is it that men have to always do all the work when it comes to dating? It is really frustrating me. Men have to pursue a woman, impress her, get her phone number, have to drive a fancy car, be rich, be popular, be attractive, have six pack abs, be interesting, confident, have to deal with rejections, must have a game, etc. But it seems like women don't have to do anything other than dress and put on make up. Even ugly women can put on make up and they would still have guys asking them out. Why do males have to take PUA classes while women can sit on their fat asses and not do anything and still get men? It is so unfair. What happened to equality? Basically women want to be equal to men but they never approach men and still expect men to make the first moves. Can you imagine how good it would feel like if women actually started asking men out? We can only fantasize about that one unfortunately.

If they find you attractive they will do all the work. But they only find 5-20% of men attractive depending on who you ask. My opinion is more like 5 extending to 20, it's not all looks but they help. In my case it was fame or talent combined with above average looks which is a great combination. Looks by themselves aren't enough unless you could make a good living based on that.

In other words they will vigorously pursue the 5% and extend that to 20% if there are not a lot of men around to choose from. That's probably why I did well in college, demographics favored me so I made the cut.

When I was younger I had a number of conversations like "leavingusa I'm really sick of being a virgin" and "want to come to my room later" from girls I barely knew or had seen a few times. I would hang out with them and f**k them, I had no money and no car and never took them anywhere but my room or for a walk. I also had 3 year dry spells when I was covered in zits, in a dark depression or not playing guitar.

Now I'm almost 40 but women in the office will sometimes buy me food without asking if I want any, do things for me, etc because I have no interest in them. They don't directly proposition me for sex because I'm not sexy good looking more like what they call "cute". People in general seem to like helping me.

I lived with a much older female ex-boss of mine for six months rent free and she gave me a 60k salary with an extra 6k or so cash in my paycheck that I didn't earn. I did what I could there but she was basically helping me back on my feet, the old starving artist gambit. Now that I have a 6 figure job again, she still insists on picking up the tab 3/4 of the time but no more free cash because my attractiveness dropped 40% or more from being gainfully employed.

I still have the same problems as everybody else now because I have a job, but if I traded my laptop for a guitar that puts me back in business. That happened to me last year when I was out of work and playing guitar in a southern beach town for a few months. Girls approach you after you play and start talking dirty or flash you.

If you haven't been on that side of things you wouldn't believe it and it immunizes you against "dating" because you see how offensive this double standard is. I never took a girl on a date, asked one out or paid for anything until I was near 30 and got a "real" job. Once I had a good job I was just another walking ATM card in a pair of dockers and the premise of relationships changed, all of a sudden it was about what I could do for her.

That woman you want to marry? She's given it away free to guys she really like and she bought him gifts and done things for him. He thanked her by shooting his load on her face and she loved it. She's probably also worked as a prostitute at some point.

A few times I've traded cash for sexual favors from women who weren't feeling it or were married. What I've found is if a woman is insulted it's because the amount is too low or the arrangement too crude for her taste.

I had a female married coworker offer to f**k me for $500 on the train ride home in front of everyone, she was born in Portugal and she used to tell me on the ride home that I need to find a nice Portugese girl and marry her. Let that sink in a bit.

Dating/Marriage = prostitution

[terminator]

I am about to point out that terminator and Ghost are right about English-speaking foreigners influenced by the feminist West...just not necessarily.

To illustrate my point, nearly everyone here in Malaysia can speak English - and those who don't can still at least understand by listening. However their English (including mine when spoken) is choppy and accent-thick as best. There is almost no incentive for us to become even more fluent than that.

For a Malaysian female to achieve near-native fluency in English therefore it must be either from A)Many, many years of strict dedication of mastering the language (English language teachers in school), B) the demands of her profession (as a journalist or a book author) or, most dreadfully.....C) from a few years of staying in the West.

Normally one shouldn't be too alert when a Malaysian girl speaks English a little too well. She's probably from Case A or B. BUT....if she's topping it off with a mimicked Anglophone accent (what we Malaysians here love to term as "speaking London").....bail. You have just come across a whitewashed Asian returning home and importing all the horrible feminist values that come with it.

(guh...too many edits....lol I'm getting careless today)

It's true - learning English also involves thinking and acting like an English woman (for foreign women) so if they really learn the language, they soon go to dating sites and copy AW! Or worse, they start watching Oprah on re-runs...

[terminator]

Why is it that men have to always do all the work when it comes to dating? It is really frustrating me. Men have to pursue a woman, impress her, get her phone number, have to drive a fancy car, be rich, be popular, be attractive, have six pack abs, be interesting, confident, have to deal with rejections, must have a game, etc. But it seems like women don't have to do anything other than dress and put on make up. Even ugly women can put on make up and they would still have guys asking them out. Why do males have to take PUA classes while women can sit on their fat asses and not do anything and still get men? It is so unfair. What happened to equality? Basically women want to be equal to men but they never approach men and still expect men to make the first moves. Can you imagine how good it would feel like if women actually started asking men out? We can only fantasize about that one unfortunately.

If they find you attractive they will do all the work. But they only find 5-20% of men attractive depending on who you ask. My opinion is more like 5 extending to 20, it's not all looks but they help. In my case it was fame or talent combined with above average looks which is a great combination. Looks by themselves aren't enough unless you could make a good living based on that.

In other words they will vigorously pursue the 5% and extend that to 20% if there are not a lot of men around to choose from. That's probably why I did well in college, demographics favored me so I made the cut.

When I was younger I had a number of conversations like "leavingusa I'm really sick of being a virgin" and "want to come to my room later" from girls I barely knew or had seen a few times. I would hang out with them and f**k them, I had no money and no car and never took them anywhere but my room or for a walk. I also had 3 year dry spells when I was covered in zits, in a dark depression or not playing guitar.

Now I'm almost 40 but women in the office will sometimes buy me food without asking if I want any, do things for me, etc because I have no interest in them. They don't directly proposition me for sex because I'm not sexy good looking more like what they call "cute". People in general seem to like helping me.

I lived with a much older female ex-boss of mine for six months rent free and she gave me a 60k salary with an extra 6k or so cash in my paycheck that I didn't earn. I did what I could there but she was basically helping me back on my feet, the old starving artist gambit. Now that I have a 6 figure job again, she still insists on picking up the tab 3/4 of the time but no more free cash because my attractiveness dropped 40% or more from being gainfully employed.

I still have the same problems as everybody else now because I have a job, but if I traded my laptop for a guitar that puts me back in business. That happened to me last year when I was out of work and playing guitar in a southern beach town for a few months. Girls approach you after you play and start talking dirty or flash you.

If you haven't been on that side of things you wouldn't believe it and it immunizes you against "dating" because you see how offensive this double standard is. I never took a girl on a date, asked one out or paid for anything until I was near 30 and got a "real" job. Once I had a good job I was just another walking ATM card in a pair of dockers and the premise of relationships changed, all of a sudden it was about what I could do for her.

That woman you want to marry? She's given it away free to guys she really like and she bought him gifts and done things for him. He thanked her by shooting his load on her face and she loved it. She's probably also worked as a hoe at some point.

A few times I've traded cash for sexual favors from women who weren't feeling it or were married. What I've found is if a woman is insulted it's because the amount is too low or the arrangement too crude for her taste.

I had a female married coworker offer to f**k me for $500 on the train ride home in front of everyone, she was born in Portugal and she used to tell me on the ride home that I need to find a nice Portugese girl and marry her. Let that sink in a bit.

Dating/Marriage = p4p

Wow, I'm really shocked about this"double standard" - I've never played in a band or been down on my luck, so I'm shocked to hear girls just give stuff to guys.

[leavingusa]

Why is it that men have to always do all the work when it comes to dating? It is really frustrating me. Men have to pursue a woman, impress her, get her phone number, have to drive a fancy car, be rich, be popular, be attractive, have six pack abs, be interesting, confident, have to deal with rejections, must have a game, etc. But it seems like women don't have to do anything other than dress and put on make up. Even ugly women can put on make up and they would still have guys asking them out. Why do males have to take PUA classes while women can sit on their fat asses and not do anything and still get men? It is so unfair. What happened to equality? Basically women want to be equal to men but they never approach men and still expect men to make the first moves. Can you imagine how good it would feel like if women actually started asking men out? We can only fantasize about that one unfortunately.

If they find you attractive they will do all the work. But they only find 5-20% of men attractive depending on who you ask. My opinion is more like 5 extending to 20, it's not all looks but they help. In my case it was fame or talent combined with above average looks which is a great combination. Looks by themselves aren't enough unless you could make a good living based on that.

In other words they will vigorously pursue the 5% and extend that to 20% if there are not a lot of men around to choose from. That's probably why I did well in college, demographics favored me so I made the cut.

When I was younger I had a number of conversations like "leavingusa I'm really sick of being a virgin" and "want to come to my room later" from girls I barely knew or had seen a few times. I would hang out with them and f**k them, I had no money and no car and never took them anywhere but my room or for a walk. I also had 3 year dry spells when I was covered in zits, in a dark depression or not playing guitar.

Now I'm almost 40 but women in the office will sometimes buy me food without asking if I want any, do things for me, etc because I have no interest in them. They don't directly proposition me for sex because I'm not sexy good looking more like what they call "cute". People in general seem to like helping me.

I lived with a much older female ex-boss of mine for six months rent free and she gave me a 60k salary with an extra 6k or so cash in my paycheck that I didn't earn. I did what I could there but she was basically helping me back on my feet, the old starving artist gambit. Now that I have a 6 figure job again, she still insists on picking up the tab 3/4 of the time but no more free cash because my attractiveness dropped 40% or more from being gainfully employed.

I still have the same problems as everybody else now because I have a job, but if I traded my laptop for a guitar that puts me back in business. That happened to me last year when I was out of work and playing guitar in a southern beach town for a few months. Girls approach you after you play and start talking dirty or flash you.

If you haven't been on that side of things you wouldn't believe it and it immunizes you against "dating" because you see how offensive this double standard is. I never took a girl on a date, asked one out or paid for anything until I was near 30 and got a "real" job. Once I had a good job I was just another walking ATM card in a pair of dockers and the premise of relationships changed, all of a sudden it was about what I could do for her.

That woman you want to marry? She's given it away free to guys she really like and she bought him gifts and done things for him. He thanked her by shooting his load on her face and she loved it. She's probably also worked as a hoe at some point.

A few times I've traded cash for sexual favors from women who weren't feeling it or were married. What I've found is if a woman is insulted it's because the amount is too low or the arrangement too crude for her taste.

I had a female married coworker offer to f**k me for $500 on the train ride home in front of everyone, she was born in Portugal and she used to tell me on the ride home that I need to find a nice Portugese girl and marry her. Let that sink in a bit.

Dating/Marriage = p4p

Wow, I'm really shocked about this"double standard" - I've never played in a band or been down on my luck, so I'm shocked to hear girls just give stuff to guys.

Sure, it's not advertised because it will ruin their business model if every guy expects this. That is to marry the provider and have wild kinky sex with an attractive guy she really likes and buy him things to keep him around. This is facilitated by the court system that prevents the provider from extricating himself from such a situation.

Perfect example: OJ Simpson, Nicole, Ron Goldman. Ron was driving OJs car, living in his house and banging his wife. He was living off of Nicole but she didn't care because she had OJ's money via the courts. Only one slight flaw in that plan...

[NorthAmericanguy]

If you haven't been on that side of things you wouldn't believe it and it immunizes you against "dating" because you see how offensive this double standard is. I never took a girl on a date, asked one out or paid for anything until I was near 30 and got a "real" job. Once I had a good job I was just another walking ATM card in a pair of dockers and the premise of relationships changed, all of a sudden it was about what I could do for her.

That woman you want to marry? She's given it away free to guys she really like and she bought him gifts and done things for him. He thanked her by shooting his load on her face and she loved it. She's probably also worked as a hoe at some point.

A few times I've traded cash for sexual favors from women who weren't feeling it or were married. What I've found is if a woman is insulted it's because the amount is too low or the arrangement too crude for her taste.

I had a female married coworker offer to f**k me for $500 on the train ride home in front of everyone, she was born in Portugal and she used to tell me on the ride home that I need to find a nice Portugese girl and marry her. Let that sink in a bit.

Dating/Marriage = p4p

Its all true... Like I said, I'm occasionally around men who drive exotic cars and the stories they tell me... Women throw p***y at these guys and do things you would not believe just to get to them, but the next minute those same women are playing coy and declining advances from the other guys who really like them simply because they are of lower status.

Women use their p***y like a fishing rod but it happens so infrequent most guys never see it so they don't believe it.....

And this is why I don't "date" either... I'm not going to be that sucker to be used as a step stool until a woman finds a better deal...

[NorthAmericanguy]

Sure, it's not advertised because it will ruin their business model if every guy expects this. That is to marry the provider and have wild kinky sex with an attractive guy she really likes and buy him things to keep him around. This is facilitated by the court system that prevents the provider from extricating himself from such a situation.

Perfect example: OJ Simpson, Nicole, Ron Goldman. Ron was driving OJs car, living in his house and banging his wife. He was living off of Nicole but she didn't care because she had OJ's money via the courts. Only one slight flaw in that plan...

Quoted for truth.

[Banano]

leavingusa you lived in a different matrix
Who says that AW dont flirt with men? Myth busted

'When I was younger I had a number of conversations like "leavingusa I'm really sick of being a virgin" and "want to come to my room later" from girls I barely knew or had seen a few times. I would hang out with them and f**k them, I had no money and no car and never took them anywhere but my room or for a walk.'





People assume that if that its not happening to them that its not happening to anyone, I met guys who get it so easily, I mean it kinda makes you envy and speachless when you see how easy these women are to some guys, its just too extreme, while the other vast majority of guys find it impossible to get anywhere near
So instead of saying AW done flirt with men you should say AW dont flirt with men like me, AW are the sluttiest in the world but at the same time they have the highest standards

[Ginger]

[Maker55]

I have above average looks.

Women want more than looks such as money and status.

Every if you're a very good looking guy but doesn't have a lot of money or status, the women will still ignore you.

I am VERY handsome and have a very well proportioned body and I've NEVER been asked out by a woman neither do they ever show me ANY signs of interest.

I actually get more attention from married women than single women.

And I live in Houston, TX.

[Teal Lantern]

That woman you want to marry? She's given it away free to guys she really like and she bought him gifts and done things for him. He thanked her by shooting his load on her face and she loved it. She's probably also worked as a hoe at some point.

I actually get more attention from married women than single women.

A lot of guys haven't seen this "other side" of things and would probably be happier never seeing it. They'd rather bash you, than believe their "angelic" cupcake has ever (and perhaps quite recently ) been called a "dirty little slut" and liked it.

Like the joke that goes:
The instructor, hoping to perk up the anatomy students a bit, asked the woman, "Do you know what your asshole is doing when you're having an orgasm?" "Sure", she said, "He's at home watching the kids."

No husband wants to be that guy.
(Never seen that joke, with the genders reversed, btw)