Is America a soul-destroying place?

[Winston]

I've noticed that a lot of people argue as a general response. It doesn't even matter if they agree or not, they just try to figure out someway to "counter" what you've said. It's also like you have to "defeat" someone to make any point about anything! They just won't agree with you unless you "win," and then that's something to resent you for & probably not agree with you over that, anyway. To them, agreement is defeat & that would also apply to approval, in general. This causes huge relationship problems & a general antagonism in whatever social situation someone is in.

Great original observation. Re people being ready to argue or banter, yes, true, and it really seems to confuse them when you agree with them on a point. They are left with nowhere to go.

Yeah well a lot of posters here on the forum are like that too. They like to play devil's advocate and take the other side to make a point. Even many of the core veterans here do that. I don't know why. They know who they are. Sometimes they will even argue when they don't have a valid point. It's strange. I can't understand what motivates people like that.

[Winston]

Have you guys noticed that in America there is this vibe that tries to suck out your soul and spirit? It also tries to torture you mentally and psychologically too. Its hard to explain or put into words. You know what i mean?

Its like there is a metaphysical bully and vampire in America that tries to destroy your soul or corrupt it. And if you are sensitive or soulful, you will especially become its target and will suffer the most. Its as if there is this dark energy in America that loves to destroy the real you and eat your soul or poison it. Do you sense it too? Its very sickening and terrible and sad. Yet no one dares to publicly mention it.

The thing is, despite all of Chinas problems, at least in China you dont feel this vibe or energy that wants to suck out your soul and spirit or crush you psychologically. Something is really wrong in America that cant be put into words. You notice that?

[traveller]

Here in australia, there is no culture. Everything is boring, bland and business-like. The people have no passion and no soul. We live just to work and pay taxes. There is no community, no sense of belonging. Nothing to unite people. There is an anti-male vibe everywhere you go. You can't escape it. On television and radio we are bombarded with feminist propaganda, demonising men and portraying us as barbarians who just want to rape and assault women. The people here spend all their time after dark either at the pub, or locked away in their houses watching television. The mainstream media over here is a giant brainwashing system. The women here are pig sluts, corrupted by feminism. They are not nurturing or feminine. There is no hope for this place. There is no redemption, no salvation.

Is it the same feeling in america?

So I guess it's in all rich or first world countries, isn't it? So I guess this means, where there's money, there's a lack of nice people. It certainly is no wonder the Bible calls the love of money especially the root of all evil, and even Jesus said that it's easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to go to Heaven. And literally, Jesus was speaking of a camel, which was the largest known animal at the time, literally going through an opening that is even too small for a fly.

[traveller]

Have you guys noticed that in America there is this vibe that tries to suck out your soul and spirit? It also tries to torture you mentally and psychologically too. Its hard to explain or put into words. You know what i mean?

Its like there is a metaphysical bully and vampire in America that tries to destroy your soul or corrupt it. And if you are sensitive or soulful, you will especially become its target and will suffer the most. Its as if there is this dark energy in America that loves to destroy the real you and eat your soul or poison it. Do you sense it too? Its very sickening and terrible and sad. Yet no one dares to publicly mention it.

The thing is, despite all of Chinas problems, at least in China you dont feel this vibe or energy that wants to suck out your soul and spirit or crush you psychologically. Something is really wrong in America that cant be put into words. You notice that?

Your description of America here sort of reminds me of the fictional Star Wars planet Dromund Kaas, which is part of the PC game Star Wars: Jedi Knight, Mysteries of the Sith. Apparently according to Star Wars Universe info, Dromund Kaas is cloaked in a strong Dark Side aura that causes all weapons, blasters, rail detonators, and such, everything except lightsabers, to malfunction, leaving the player all but at the mercy of the planet's vicious and violent creatures, especially the Vornskrs, which can take out a player in a couple of charging hits.

Of course in your reality, the "dark side aura" in America causes hearts to malfunction.

[MrMark1972]

Here in australia, there is no culture. Everything is boring, bland and business-like. The people have no passion and no soul. We live just to work and pay taxes. There is no community, no sense of belonging. Nothing to unite people. There is an anti-male vibe everywhere you go. You can't escape it. On television and radio we are bombarded with feminist propaganda, demonising men and portraying us as barbarians who just want to rape and assault women. The people here spend all their time after dark either at the pub, or locked away in their houses watching television. The mainstream media over here is a giant brainwashing system. The women here are pig sluts, corrupted by feminism. They are not nurturing or feminine. There is no hope for this place. There is no redemption, no salvation.

Is it the same feeling in america?

I have to quote what Clowny wrote above because Canada is EXACTLY,word for word,as he described Australia.
The bottom line is that the Anglosphere will suck out your soul leaving you to exist as a mindless robot that works,pays high taxes,shops and caters to your wife's material demands until SHE decides that it's time for a divorce and,at that point,the system will force you to pay 50% of your assets to her.
I hope that the young guys,under thirty,on this forum,wake up and get out before they become another statistic.....

[Winston]

When youre in the US, dont you feel a black hole vortex trying to suck out your soul and make you go crazy by filling u with crazy thoughts? Its very demonic. Even many celebrities and movie or rock stars in the US have killed themselves the last few years or overdosed on drugs. Weve all heard it on the news. America brings out the worst in u and tries to make u go psycho if it can, as if going psycho were a normal thing. Totally crazy.

[IraqVet2003]

Have you noticed that even though America has a depressing, meaningless, artificial vibe, that it also feels like it is PUSHING you to become a workhorse on the treadmill all the time? It's like there is an invisible whip in America that is driving you to be a slave.

It's as if America is trying to turn you mechanical. The conspiracy researcher Michael Tsarion said that even gyms reflect this. The weight machines and treadmills in the gyms are there to tell you that exercise and fitness is mechanical in nature, just like life is. It's part of the Illuminati's agenda to turn people mechanical, so they can implement their transhumanist agenda of merging man and machine. Really scary.

Also, have any of you noticed that underneath the fake smiles and affluence of American life, there is something very EVIL underneath it all? Something which sucks out people's souls, as if society is designed for entities to suck out the souls of humans? It's like there is something evil underneath the surface, but you can't see it unless you peel off many layers of reality first. It lies beneath the fake smiles, fake people and excess materialism. It's hard to put into words. I think everyone can feel that there is something evil in America that is destroying their souls, but it's hard to put into words.

Know what I mean?

Great post Winston!!!!

[Winston]

Besides the horrible dating scene and attitude of women in America, the core problems I have with America are:

1. No human/social connection at all. Very lonely and disconnected social environment. People prefer to be paranoid rather than connect with others. Everyone wants to be left alone and are averse to social interaction. Very difficult to make friends. Worst environment to try to do so. Thus it's very lonely and isolating, which leads to feelings of depression and emptiness. Your true friends are your true riches, but America doesn't value that. Instead, everyone is stuck up, paranoid and only cares about their privacy, with no inclination to connect with others at all. Everything feels so meaningless and pointless in America. There's nothing to do but indulge in empty consumerism.

2. No soul. Very soulless. People seem hollow, fake and artificial. When you talk to people you feel like you are talking to soulless people. Emotions are also fake, not genuine. But in most other countries, when you talk to people you feel like you are talking to real souls with real emotions at least. Even in countries with a bad reputation, at least the people seem a lot more REAL than in America, and nowhere near as fake. America represses people's souls and their emotions to make them controllable, robotic and zombie-like. Having a genuine soul makes you feel out of place in America, because you feel like you are supposed to be "soulless and degenerate", otherwise you are abnormal. It's a very upside down and bizarro culture.

There seems to be some black hole vortex in America that tries to suck out your soul and emotions. Also there's some demonic influence that tries to make you go crazy, insane and even suicidal, as though going psycho in America were a "normal thing". Even celebrities, movie stars and rock stars in America have a high frequency of committing suicide or overdosing on drugs, as we all know. It's a very toxic culture without a doubt.

3. No authenticity. The people and culture are very fake and phoney. So if you are authentic and down to earth, you feel out of place. To fit into a fake culture, you gotta be fake, otherwise you don't fit in. Plain and simple. People in America are the least down to earth in the world, especially the young women. The norm in America is to be a poser, be arrogant, and full of it. You gotta BS a lot, otherwise you aren't seen as "cool" or "confident". You can't just simply be yourself and be down to earth to make friends and be liked in America. No way. However, once you go abroad to almost any other country, you immediately notice after getting off the plane that people overseas are much more humble, genuine and down to earth in comparison to Americans. It's a refreshing difference, and one that makes you feel a lot more comfortable to be yourself.

4. No feeling of freedom. Too many laws and uptight rules, especially in social culture and dating. Makes you feel repressed and unfree. You don't feel free to be yourself. You can't flirt with women or talk to strangers freely and naturally. Also, too many uptight laws in the US that many other countries don't have, such as no outside food allowed in cinemas, no walking on street with beer, no breastfeeding in public, no selling on public streets without a license, etc. Ironically, the "land of the free" is actually among the most UNfree countries in the world.

There's no freedom to be honest either, as everything you say has to be politically correct. There is also a social rule that forces you to "pretend" to be positive all the time and always say that you're "doing great" no matter how untrue it is. You gotta pretend all the time. It's psychological tyranny. The US government and media seem obsessed with putting you in a state of FEAR and PARANOIA, obviously so that you will accept bigger government with its ever increasing control and security measures. It's all very insane, unnatural and unhealthy.

So basically, America has no human connection, no soul, no authenticity, and no freedom. All the above make America a VERY lonely, depressing, miserable, empty and meaningless place devoid of life, love, friendship, soul, freedom and authenticity.

[jamesbond]

Also, there is no sexual outlet in America for men. America is one of the few countries in the world where p4p is illegal.

[IraqVet2003]

Besides the horrible dating scene and attitude of women in America, the core problems I have with America are:

1. No human/social connection at all. Very lonely and disconnected social environment. People prefer to be paranoid rather than connect with others. Everyone wants to be left alone and are averse to social interaction. Very difficult to make friends. Worst environment to try to do so. Thus it's very lonely and isolating, which leads to feelings of depression and emptiness. Your true friends are your true riches, but America doesn't value that. Instead, everyone is stuck up, paranoid and only cares about their privacy, with no inclination to connect with others at all. Everything feels so meaningless and pointless in America. There's nothing to do but indulge in empty consumerism.

2. No soul. Very soulless. People seem hollow, fake and artificial. When you talk to people you feel like you are talking to soulless people. Emotions are also fake, not genuine. But in most other countries, when you talk to people you feel like you are talking to real souls with real emotions at least. Even in countries with a bad reputation, at least the people seem a lot more REAL than in America, and nowhere near as fake. America represses people's souls and their emotions to make them controllable, robotic and zombie-like. Having a genuine soul makes you feel out of place in America, because you feel like you are supposed to be "soulless and degenerate", otherwise you are abnormal. It's a very upside down and bizarro culture.

There seems to be some black hole vortex in America that tries to suck out your soul and emotions. Also there's some demonic influence that tries to make you go crazy, insane and even suicidal, as though going psycho in America were a "normal thing". Even celebrities, movie stars and rock stars in America have a high frequency of committing suicide or overdosing on drugs, as we all know. It's a very toxic culture without a doubt.

3. No authenticity. The people and culture are very fake and phoney. So if you are authentic and down to earth, you feel out of place. To fit into a fake culture, you gotta be fake, otherwise you don't fit in. Plain and simple. People in America are the least down to earth in the world, especially the young women. The norm in America is to be a poser, be arrogant, and full of it. You gotta BS a lot, otherwise you aren't seen as "cool" or "confident". You can't just simply be yourself and be down to earth to make friends and be liked in America. No way. However, once you go abroad to almost any other country, you immediately notice after getting off the plane that people overseas are much more humble, genuine and down to earth in comparison to Americans. It's a refreshing difference, and one that makes you feel a lot more comfortable to be yourself.

4. No feeling of freedom. Too many laws and uptight rules, especially in social culture and dating. Makes you feel repressed and unfree. You don't feel free to be yourself. You can't flirt with women or talk to strangers freely and naturally. Also, too many uptight laws in the US that many other countries don't have, such as no outside food allowed in cinemas, no walking on street with beer, no breastfeeding in public, no selling on public streets without a license, etc. Ironically, the "land of the free" is actually among the most UNfree countries in the world.

There's no freedom to be honest either, as everything you say has to be politically correct. There is also a social rule that forces you to "pretend" to be positive all the time and always say that you're "doing great" no matter how untrue it is. You gotta pretend all the time. It's psychological tyranny. The US government and media seem obsessed with putting you in a state of FEAR and PARANOIA, obviously so that you will accept bigger government with its ever increasing control and security measures. It's all very insane, unnatural and unhealthy.

So basically, America has no human connection, no soul, no authenticity, and no freedom. All the above make America a VERY lonely, depressing, miserable, empty and meaningless place devoid of life, love, friendship, soul, freedom and authenticity.

Winston, I think you are DEAD ACCURATE on describing the modern American society!!! I know this first hand experience having traveled all across the United States. This was due to move around and growing up in a military family as part of my father's Army career (I was an "Army Brat"). The places (Army post) that I had spent my childhood/adolescence were as follows; Hawaii (my birthplace), Kentucky, Germany, Georgia, and Alaska. And later having served in the military myself(Air Force-Whiteman AFB, Missouri -1992-1996) and the U.S. Army -Fort Sill, Oklahoma (2001-2005) and Camp Anaconda, Iraq (2003). There were many times Winston that I had felt like an "OUTSIDER" OR A "STRANGER" in my own country and didn't know where to "fit in". Especially due to the fact the American social scene is so cliquish and rigid!!!! Not to mention Winston, as a black man I have come across racism and even was sometimes treated worse by other black people for "acting white"!!!! But I refer to this thinking as the "slave" or "plantation" mentality!!! So a result, I had very few good friends and developed a strong "inner life" as well as becoming a talent artist (drawing/ painting) and intellectual (I have a great interest in history, geography, politics, current events, sociology, military affairs/weapons, conspiracies, etc.). Besides, I much rather be "true to myself" and "march to the beat of a different drummer" than to be around a bunch of fake and superficial people!!! And Winston as you have said many times in other post, American people in general don't like to deal with strangers directly unless it is either business related or asking for directions.

But anyway, it's in my opinion that one of the main reason's why America has become a soul-destroying place is because of the break down of the family and strong communities. I think that this process was started when the "Industrial Age" began, along with the Post WW II era, and the introduction of America's interstate system. These developments helped to make the U.S. a "mobile society" in which made it easier for many people to move to a new job or city. In addition, I also believe when the women's "liberation movement" came about (funded secretly by the Rockerefellers), feminism, lesbianism, legalized abortion, and the introduction of "No Fault" divorce laws during the 1960's and 70's have helped to speed up both the moral and social decline of America.

The second reason why I think the U.S. is a soul-destroying place Winston is because I think most Americans are is some sort of "arrested development" socially. Here's what I mean by that. It seems to me Winston with America's cliquish social and dating scene, an obsession with sports and celebraties, many women chasing/loving bad boys and thugs (while hating decent nice guys,"nerds"/geeks because they're "boring", "losers", or have no "swag"/"edge"), tattoos, wearing pajamas in public, too caught up in the latest fads, etc. it seems that many FULL GROWN Americans deep down are acting and living like teenagers (especially a lot of today's American women)!!!

Which brings me to my finally point Winston, I would agree with you that America is now a soul-destroying because I believe it is by DESIGN!!! We humans by our very nature are social creatures and the elite know this. Therefore, I believe they have used SOCIAL ENGINEERING through movies, music, news, and television as a form of PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE by constantly telling people what they should love, hate, fear, accept, buy, etc. Thus, the U.S. is what I call a "MENTAL MATRIX". In addition, America's obsession with sports and entertainment is the modern day version of "BREAD AND CIRCUS" (like the Super Bowl event) just as in the ancient Roman times in order to keep people distracted from real issues such as Trans-Pacific Partner Trade deal (TPP), the war in Afghanistan, etc. The overemphasis on sports I think also just as being WORAHOLICS AND OVERSPENDING helps to (in the short term) full the soulless void in America. Also, because America is such a soul-destroying place, the U.S. has the highest rate of mental illness, drug/alcohol abuse, obesity, cancer, and heart disease in the industrialized world!!!!

In conclusion, Winston while I do believe America does have some good qualities such as a peaceful transition of government/elections (no violent coups), opportunities for education and career advancement, pro-business environment, etc. However, like you Winston I think the U.S. is a tough place to be in socially, for finding quality single (attractive) women, sex, and marriage for decent men. My first dream choice or dream destination to expat would be in Europe (Spain, France, Germany, etc.). I love Europe for it's beautiful women, historic landmarks and castles, mostly friendly people (and more inclusive), apprieciation of art high quality public transportation, and intellectual stimulation/life. Which fits my personality well verses America with it's "dumbing down" and trash culture!!!
Otherwise, I would choose to expat down in South America in a country such as Brazil or Argentina.

[droid]

Also, there is no sexual outlet in America for men. America is one of the few countries in the world where p4p is illegal.

Only jamesbond haha #1 b00b dude

[Moretorque]

The break down of societies does start in our homes for sure, they want us all to tote the corporate line of their one world system and most signed up for all the socialist well fare and look where we are.

You are living in a Corporation that our rulers are erecting worldwide where you serve the state weather you realize it or not, they distract you and manipulate you like a herd animal to meet their end goal of total world domination where you are a renter squatter and they have all the power centers they have captured and control tell you you are free and tote the line of the collective Borg or else.

What you will find more than likely is that all the central Banks ( CREDIT MONOPOLIES ) world wide have the same owners and are sitting on all the treaties going back centuries after all these wars and this gives them the right to do what they are doing. The system is very cleverly cloaked to deflect all attention away from the fact THE BANK is and has been running the show. Our US constitution states only congress will coin money so why is it not ? we have been duped and taken over and programmed by the state since the day we are born.

There are two sides of this story and their side is we are basically too stupid to govern ourselves so we are treated as cattle.

[Ghost]

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[Moretorque]

Maybe it's more accurate these days to say the U.S. is an everything-destroying place.

That is only because the brains came here for the fact people could keep most of the fruits of their labor for the 1st 150 years or so. The elite waited for that group to make all these gadgets so then they could steal them and use them to take over the world.