My own family against me joining MGTOW and HA

[MattHanson1990]

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[Johnny1975]

You might want to break up your post into much smaller paragraphs. It would be easier to read.

[MattHanson1990]

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[MattHanson1990]

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My family doesn't agree with my decision to move abroad either. Few people in this country will ever understand the Happier Abroad point of view. It will always be 100 vs 1. Don't even bother trying to convince them that going going abroad will be better for your life. It just leads to a circular arguement where they try to convince you to stay. Best to just say what I said "I believe we have reached an impasse." and move on.

[MarkDY]

I have a 70 female friend. She is a grandmother and has lived overseas. And her totally supports me moving overseas to meet women! She knows how bad America women have become and knows how nicer and more pro-family women are in South America. As I posted on FB, in the USA I am MGTOW, overseas I look for quality female companionship. I am 51 and have three quality female friends in Colombia (all college educated, no kids, under 30) I have a two wing men in Medellin who know some quality women who like gringos, and I been chatting with a 20 year old college student, surfer chick from Costa Rica.

[newlifeinphilippines]

I would not want my son joining MGTOW, either. I would probably disown him for that.

Gay is worse than that and could include mgtow. yet you said in another thread its ok to be gay.


How does one join mgtow anyways? aren't we all mgtow in america/homeland? not all of us have hte resources or willingness to move abroad or to find the right one abroad even if we did go there so quite a few men will wind up MGTOW at least for most of their lives until they find a woman (if ever).

[traveller]

I know how it feels. Especially whenever I say that Illinois women are trash, people think it's my fault and only my fault. As if either they think they are in North Korea, under the full evil regime of Kim Il-Sung/Kim Jong-Il/Kim Jong-Un, and the Juche philosophy, or they think it's a capital felony worldwide for guys to complain about rejection.

[MattHanson1990]

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[Jester]

I know how it feels. Especially whenever I say that Illinois women are trash, people think it's my fault and only my fault. As if either they think they are in North Korea, under the full evil regime of Kim Il-Sung/Kim Jong-Il/Kim Jong-Un, and the Juche philosophy, or they think it's a capital felony worldwide for guys to complain about rejection.

My dad said the social scene will improve when I get my weight down. And every time I tell him the social scene is cliquish, he always says the problem is me. Reality check. Even guys who are in shape have a hard time meeting people in America; people only socialize in their cliques.

It's all about location location location.

If you got your weight down, then it would be something else you have to do next.
Get a promotion at work. Raise your income.
Drive a better car.
Get out and see more people.
Buy a house.
Consider divorcees with kids.

And those are all good things. (Well, not the last one.) But they are still diversions. And the diversions will keep coming, because they stem from a cherished illusion - that the USA is best.

[Yohan]

I would not want my son joining MGTOW, either. I would probably disown him for that.

Why is that?

It depends in which country you are living and about the legal situation and of course it depends also on the individual himself (or sometimes 'herself').

We cannot choose our parents, we cannot choose our environment and life-style when we are born. Some newborns will have a nice future, and some others will be treated as trash. It is about good or bad luck, nothing what you can do about when you are still a small child.

To go your own way? Why not? If you face problems living in your own country, with your people next to you, it is better to move on and leave your country and all people (in my case feminists, catholic priests and similar human garbage) who made your life difficult behind you. - Don't hate them, but try to forget about them.

I think you misunderstand the meaning of MGTOW.

For me MGTOW means to move on, improve your life somewhere else in this world, do something which might surprise some others next to you as they did not expect you to do it...

[MattHanson1990]

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[Yohan]

A lot of Happier Abroaders are going MGTOW, and here's my definition of going MGTOW.

1. Not getting involved with American women (except Mexican girls in border towns).

2. Making money by other means as an alternative to working a regular job.

3. Not buying useless junk for fulfillment.

4. Keep cost of living as low as possible, such as relocating somewhere with a more reasonable CoL.

5. Disregarding modern American society as a whole and leaving the Matrix.

Nice summery from the USA-point of view - In Europe I think, the idea of MGTOW is quite similar.

That's about what I think, by my European point of view:

1. Don't care about women in EU/UK, ignore them.
2. Look out for jobs overseas, to avoid to run out of money while living away from EU/UK
3. Don't waste money for nonsense, like gifts for Valentine Day, mother day, and similar BS.
4. Try to save some money, avoid anything related to bars/nightlife in EU/UK
(you might feel lonely because of that, but learn to live with it)
5. Disregard Western society and its moral values. Reject the feminist brainwashing ideology that men are 2nd class - they are not everywhere worldwide considered as 2nd class citizens, try to relocate to abroad.

[Yohan]

If you got your weight down, then it would be something else you have to do next.
Get a promotion at work. Raise your income.
Drive a better car.
Get out and see more people.
Buy a house.
Consider divorcees with kids.

And those are all good things. (Well, not the last one.) But they are still diversions. And the diversions will keep coming, because they stem from a cherished illusion - that the USA is best.

In fact, even doing all of these still won't increase your dating chances with AW, unless you somehow made it into the top 10 percent.

Nice advice, but I agree with MattHanson that this will not increase your dating chances in Northern America or Europe/UK, at least not your chances to meet a decent woman. Many Western women are trash, and are looking for trash....

Women have to improve their behavior and their way how they choose their boyfriends and future husbands.

It is said that being a thug is considerably increasing your chance with Western women - there is hardly any thug, even if he is in jail, without a girlfriend waiting for his release - the key point is many honest men are rejected because they are 'boring'.
Thugs offer always an exciting life-style.

To have an expensive car, yes, women will approach you and they will never ask you if it is paid and how it was paid, how you could earn money to pay for it, or if it is stolen... Western women are very materialistic, any honest man, who is free of debts, driving an old car will be rejected.

To have own property is a huge risk for an honest man, especially if this is about a relationship with a single mom and her kids.
In case something is going wrong, she might be able to kick you out of your house. Only a guy, who does not own anything and is living of welfare can consider a relatioship with a single/divorced mom and her kids. Not to talk about in case the relationship breaks done, you will be subject paying child support for kids you are not even the biological father...

About loosing weight, it will be lower within a few weeks after moving to a tropical weather area. You might go swimming and walking around every day and you will soon replace cola with drinking water and will eat less than the half you did before relocation.

[newlifeinphilippines]

I would not want my son joining MGTOW, either. I would probably disown him for that.

Gay is worse than that and could include mgtow. yet you said in another thread its ok to be gay.

My son will be a Filipino citizen, and there's no need for a tall Mestizo boy to go abroad to find women, he'll get plenty here. So if he locks himself in his house and shuns women when he's perfectly capable of getting them, I will have to conclude he is one step below a gay. A gay man has little choice in liking what he likes, but a straight MGTOW in an area full of willing women, is a faggot. Not all gay men are faggots, but some straight men are massive faggots.

I view a faggot as a man who is weak, who does not take action, who whines and complains and is annoying as shit. There are gay guys who still manage to be masculine and strong, who take action and are even willing to die for their beliefs. In my country there was a gay professor who dared to warn people against the dangers of the multi-cultural society, and who would make many politically incorrect statements that he was hated for by many. He was murdered by a left wing loon, a week before a general election in which he was expected to win by a landslide. He was a gay man, but I would not label him a faggot.

A man who says all women are evil and all the same, who stays single forever and dies lonely and miserable, that's what I label a faggot.

well I disagree a gay man is worse and a sin. A mgtow man some can be very noble and they have my respect. Although I think every man should seek a woman if its possible but sometimes luck does not have it. Not everyone can find a woman that is worthy of him for whatever reason, bad childhood, lack of money, personality quirks, bad luck, etc. Although I heard a preacher say that if you truly want a wife he will give it to you. But only God knows whether you really need a wife. Not everyone is gonna get married, some die young or some never find their love. Its how it is.


With that said your assuming its easy to get women in the philippines. Many concluded in that other thread its just as hard to get "quality" women in the philippines for a filipino guy also. Women are not easy for anyone unless you are their "type". It may be easy for you but that doesn't apply to everyone.