Old men don't have a clue how hard it is for young men today

[GoingAwol]

Most of them seem to think we are still living in post world war 2 (1945-1970s) America. They constantly criticize young men and call us lazy good for nothings. They also give the most worthless dating advice. They say "all you have to do is talk to girls". It's like "Gee, I would have never thought of that! Thanks for that brilliant insight!" It's extremely annoying when I have to listen to one of these old farts that is out of touch with reality. But I guess I can't fault them because they lived in a much better time. They lived through a time where there were 3 major wars that wiped out a significant portion of the male population so there was an abundance of single women. And not just single women! Decent pre-feminist women that weren't fat obnoxious cows. Furthermore they lived in a time of economic prosperity and didn't have issues getting good jobs and living the middle class lifestyle. Shit has definitely changed since those days and not for the better..... It's easy to see why these old men choose to stay in the past. I would want to stay in the past too if I were them. lol

[Ghost]

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[OutWest]

Most of them seem to think we are still living in post world war 2 (1945-1970s) America. They constantly criticize young men and call us lazy good for nothings. They also give the most worthless dating advice. They say "all you have to do is talk to girls". It's like "Gee, I would have never thought of that! Thanks for that brilliant insight!" It's extremely annoying when I have to listen to one of these old farts that is out of touch with reality. But I guess I can't fault them because they lived in a much better time. They lived through a time where there were 3 major wars that wiped out a significant portion of the male population so there was an abundance of single women. And not just single women! Decent pre-feminist women that weren't fat obnoxious cows. Furthermore they lived in a time of economic prosperity and didn't have issues getting good jobs and living the middle class lifestyle. Shit has definitely changed since those days and not for the better..... It's easy to see why these old men choose to stay in the past. I would want to stay in the past too if I were them. lol

Well, being well into my 50s, I'm likely one of those OLD ones you are talking about. What I don't see, is some kind of awakening within millenials. The vast majority do not see any problem with US women, or their economic prospects, even though they are in dire straights on both accounts. I always tell young men in the US that their FIRST and best option for meeting girls is to get a passport. The vast majority have less than zero interest in pushing their comfort zones as the will have to do if they want to have a chance. The majority act as if their parents economic outcomes will somehow automatically come to them as well, while they work as baristas with a college degree and student debt, but many do not seem to mind, so long as they can play the role of young hipsters. Its dismal and sad to watch.

Very few are willing to listen to anything about how hard and different they are going to have to work compared to their parents, and very few have a passport or any interest in what lies over the horizon. One of the characteristics of "digitals" seems to be little interest in anything but their own internal information.

[fschmidt]

Well, being well into my 50s, I'm likely one of those OLD ones you are talking about. What I don't see, is some kind of awakening within millenials. The vast majority do not see any problem with US women, or their economic prospects, even though they are in dire straights on both accounts. I always tell young men in the US that their FIRST and best option for meeting girls is to get a passport. The vast majority have less than zero interest in pushing their comfort zones as the will have to do if they want to have a chance. The majority act as if their parents economic outcomes will somehow automatically come to them as well, while they work as baristas with a college degree and student debt, but many do not seem to mind, so long as they can play the role of young hipsters. Its dismal and sad to watch.

Very few are willing to listen to anything about how hard and different they are going to have to work compared to their parents, and very few have a passport or any interest in what lies over the horizon. One of the characteristics of "digitals" seems to be little interest in anything but their own internal information.

I am in the same age range and have the same opinion. In other words, yes, young men today are lazy good for nothings.

[romparoo]

OutWest & Fschmidt

Historically for thousands of years, men toil for the family, not for the money. Money is just a mean for exchange. Young men have as much motivation to strive for the best, as much as they have commitment to the source of life, which inarguably is the family unit consisting of a loving wife and children. The latter have been utterly robbed from young men due to feminazism and slut culture, and young men see no reason to work hard and bleed for the rewards, simply because there isn't any reward anymore. If they do, they are just getting chump change to get by after taxes and expenses. Unless the pay is high enough, it will be a very bad deal for most young men. They escape their predicament by immersing themselves in hipster culture, or that surfer or gym craze subsulture, or be herbivore men. Society fails young men. Their fathers, who were put in charge of steering the direction of society, had failed miserably by answering every whims of feminazism.

[OutWest]

Well, being well into my 50s, I'm likely one of those OLD ones you are talking about. What I don't see, is some kind of awakening within millenials. The vast majority do not see any problem with US women, or their economic prospects, even though they are in dire straights on both accounts. I always tell young men in the US that their FIRST and best option for meeting girls is to get a passport. The vast majority have less than zero interest in pushing their comfort zones as the will have to do if they want to have a chance. The majority act as if their parents economic outcomes will somehow automatically come to them as well, while they work as baristas with a college degree and student debt, but many do not seem to mind, so long as they can play the role of young hipsters. Its dismal and sad to watch.

Very few are willing to listen to anything about how hard and different they are going to have to work compared to their parents, and very few have a passport or any interest in what lies over the horizon. One of the characteristics of "digitals" seems to be little interest in anything but their own internal information.

I am in the same age range and have the same opinion. In other words, yes, young men today are lazy good for nothings.

A young Mr Hansen on this forumn spends just ten days south of the border and returns to notice how degenerate american culture has become by comparison. Ghost and a few his age have to know that within his peer group, he is a very small minority. It is not just american women that suck. Most american men are function on about the same level. They LOVE bullshite...have poor reasoning skills, lack basic knowledge of science ( as evidenced by the flat earth folks on this forum) and in general, have difficulty evaluating information. Of the very few men who see the train wreck coming, it is generally a somewhat older and traveled man that sees it. These men split from their peers in the USA long ago. Many of the older ones were HA when this sites founder was still in diapers.

[fschmidt]

OutWest & Fschmidt

Historically for thousands of years, men toil for the family, not for the money. Money is just a mean for exchange. Young men have as much motivation to strive for the best, as much as they have commitment to the source of life, which inarguably is the family unit consisting of a loving wife and children. The latter have been utterly robbed from young men due to feminazism and slut culture, and young men see no reason to work hard and bleed for the rewards, simply because there isn't any reward anymore. If they do, they are just getting chump change to get by after taxes and expenses. Unless the pay is high enough, it will be a very bad deal for most young men. They escape their predicament by immersing themselves in hipster culture, or that surfer or gym craze subsulture, or be herbivore men. Society fails young men. Their fathers, who were put in charge of steering the direction of society, had failed miserably by answering every whims of feminazism.

Every generation of men has their own specific challenges. Some generations conquered the West, some fought wars, some faced economic depression. What matters isn't really the nature of the challenge, but rather whether men have the backbone to face the challenge and overcome it. The current generation clearly does not.

And don't dare argue that the current challenge is more difficult than the challenges of the past. Nothing could be further from the truth. Getting a passport and going abroad to date is far easier than the things that previous generations of men did.

[Adama]

These days I just accept that we'll never see eye-to-eye. They don't understand...they can't understand. I've heard elders say everything from "you need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps" to "American women are the best." I accept that they are incapable of getting it. If I had grown up then, and lived in a good America, I would think the same way. I try to be silent, respect my elders, and expatriate anyway.

Most of them seem to think we are still living in post world war 2 (1945-1970s) America. They constantly criticize young men and call us lazy good for nothings. They also give the most worthless dating advice. They say "all you have to do is talk to girls". It's like "Gee, I would have never thought of that! Thanks for that brilliant insight!" It's extremely annoying when I have to listen to one of these old farts that is out of touch with reality. But I guess I can't fault them because they lived in a much better time. They lived through a time where there were 3 major wars that wiped out a significant portion of the male population so there was an abundance of single women. And not just single women! Decent pre-feminist women that weren't fat obnoxious cows. Furthermore they lived in a time of economic prosperity and didn't have issues getting good jobs and living the middle class lifestyle. Shit has definitely changed since those days and not for the better..... It's easy to see why these old men choose to stay in the past. I would want to stay in the past too if I were them. lol

You gentlemen are exactly correct.

Women have been liberated now. Our Grandpas didnt have to compete against women in the workplace. Guess what? They want our good jobs too, and they want their traditionally female jobs as well. What kind of jobs are left for men, except for the trades, which women are unwilling to go for? Just because a man has a title after his name, it no longer means he is even employable. It just means he wasted thousands of dollars and years of time, only to graduate and have to compete with women for the white collar jobs. Meanwhile those women will actually get those jobs, due to preferences in hiring. They'll be looking for men who are equals, yet they have taken the place of those men in the workforce.

Our Grandpas also didnt have to compete against illegal immigrants, immigrants on H1B work visas, and offshore employees. They simply have no concept of this.

Nowadays if you are a man and you want a job, you need to find a connection to another man of worth somehow. Your mayor or someone else important.

[davewe]

This issue is as old as time, though perhaps Millenials think it's unique to them. As a young man I thought my father's generation didn't know shit. I know for a fact that my father thought his father was clueless. It goes back forever and is a standard part of maturing: doing things your way, rejecting the old, looking for the new. This is a good thing and every younger person should do it - except...Only the fool rejects everything that went before him. The wiser man finds mentors, learns from the past, then adds to it.

While the challenges are different from generation to generation - everyone had it difficult. It's just a different kind of tough. I am FB friends with many of my high school mates, most of whom I haven't seen in 40+ years. Some are doing well; many are not. Unemployed or underemployed is the norm. Forced early retirement.

I recognize that I am very very lucky. That unlike most of my peers, my 50s and 60s have been my best time in life. I'm not looking for sympathy, just the recognition that most people have huge life challenges. For those who think their fathers had it easy, it's likely your fathers spared you by not telling you the whole truth. While I might hint at it, I would never tell my teens how often I was on or nearly on the streets, how lonely I was, how often I was self-destructive, how often I was near bankruptcy, how close to suicide I was, nor how terrible their mother was to me. It's much easier and more appealing to have them believe I have a great and easy life with a hot young wife, rather than the reality of what it's like to be getting old and realize the end is nearer than the beginning.

Geez this is depressing. Perhaps I'll spend the day in a dark room. Better yet, think I'll go schtup the young wife -- again

[Taco]

Peak America(and Canada) was in the 1950's. I find most people that lived during the 1950's are both very optimistic and arrogant(my parents).

1950's America

1. Larger population of virgin women
2. Most women still respected men and wanted to get married
3. Easy for most men to find a high paying job with just high school education
4. Food was cheap
5. Land was cheap
6. America's population was around 150 million
7. Wages steadily rose from 1950 to 1980
8. People were more religious

[MustVisitAsia123]

Are these "old farts" your family members? You can be assertive and tell people you don't need their advice on dating.

[Cornfed]

OutWest & Fschmidt

Historically for thousands of years, men toil for the family, not for the money. Money is just a mean for exchange. Young men have as much motivation to strive for the best, as much as they have commitment to the source of life, which inarguably is the family unit consisting of a loving wife and children. The latter have been utterly robbed from young men due to feminazism and slut culture, and young men see no reason to work hard and bleed for the rewards, simply because there isn't any reward anymore. If they do, they are just getting chump change to get by after taxes and expenses. Unless the pay is high enough, it will be a very bad deal for most young men. They escape their predicament by immersing themselves in hipster culture, or that surfer or gym craze subsulture, or be herbivore men. Society fails young men. Their fathers, who were put in charge of steering the direction of society, had failed miserably by answering every whims of feminazism.

Every generation of men has their own specific challenges. Some generations conquered the West, some fought wars, some faced economic depression.

Things might be considered a little different now in the sense that previous generations weren't deliberately being wiped out like eugenic men are now.

[Ghost]

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[OutWest]

Well, being well into my 50s, I'm likely one of those OLD ones you are talking about. What I don't see, is some kind of awakening within millenials. The vast majority do not see any problem with US women, or their economic prospects, even though they are in dire straights on both accounts. I always tell young men in the US that their FIRST and best option for meeting girls is to get a passport. The vast majority have less than zero interest in pushing their comfort zones as the will have to do if they want to have a chance. The majority act as if their parents economic outcomes will somehow automatically come to them as well, while they work as baristas with a college degree and student debt, but many do not seem to mind, so long as they can play the role of young hipsters. Its dismal and sad to watch.

Very few are willing to listen to anything about how hard and different they are going to have to work compared to their parents, and very few have a passport or any interest in what lies over the horizon. One of the characteristics of "digitals" seems to be little interest in anything but their own internal information.

I am in the same age range and have the same opinion. In other words, yes, young men today are lazy good for nothings.

A young Mr Hansen on this forumn spends just ten days south of the border and returns to notice how degenerate american culture has become by comparison. Ghost and a few his age have to know that within his peer group, he is a very small minority. It is not just american women that suck. Most american men are function on about the same level. They LOVE bullshite...have poor reasoning skills, lack basic knowledge of science ( as evidenced by the flat earth folks on this forum) and in general, have difficulty evaluating information. Of the very few men who see the train wreck coming, it is generally a somewhat older and traveled man that sees it. These men split from their peers in the USA long ago. Many of the older ones were HA when this sites founder was still in diapers.

Yes, you and fschmidt are both right. My heart is definitely not with the millennial generation. I despise most of them. Most of them are hopelessly blue pill liberal idiots. Try to talk to them and it's just bullshit and sarcasm. I've never met a fully "red pill" type in my real life, although I've known some that were borderline. Most of them are hopeless. For me it was even more motivation to get out - no good to be stuck between an older generation that doesn't understand how America's dead and another generation full of twits that can't even see how badly their hipster politics are f***ing them over.

Few are quick learners as you have been. What is most alarming about millenials is not that they are headed for disaster, but how little interest they are showing in their fate. Am I advising my kids to "do what I did!" Totally not. I am trying to set them up for a harsh new reality. Consequently, they hold more than one passport and already have at least some modest assets locked up for them overseas.

As my sons reach the age, I hope I will have succeeded in showing them how to adapt, without the limits of the american mindset.

[WorldTraveler]

Well, being well into my 50s, I'm likely one of those OLD ones you are talking about. What I don't see, is some kind of awakening within millenials. The vast majority do not see any problem with US women, or their economic prospects, even though they are in dire straights on both accounts. I always tell young men in the US that their FIRST and best option for meeting girls is to get a passport. The vast majority have less than zero interest in pushing their comfort zones as the will have to do if they want to have a chance. The majority act as if their parents economic outcomes will somehow automatically come to them as well, while they work as baristas with a college degree and student debt, but many do not seem to mind, so long as they can play the role of young hipsters. Its dismal and sad to watch.

Very few are willing to listen to anything about how hard and different they are going to have to work compared to their parents, and very few have a passport or any interest in what lies over the horizon. One of the characteristics of "digitals" seems to be little interest in anything but their own internal information.

I am in the same age range and have the same opinion. In other words, yes, young men today are lazy good for nothings.

A young Mr Hansen on this forumn spends just ten days south of the border and returns to notice how degenerate american culture has become by comparison. Ghost and a few his age have to know that within his peer group, he is a very small minority. It is not just american women that suck. Most american men are function on about the same level. They LOVE bullshite...have poor reasoning skills, lack basic knowledge of science ( as evidenced by the flat earth folks on this forum) and in general, have difficulty evaluating information. Of the very few men who see the train wreck coming, it is generally a somewhat older and traveled man that sees it. These men split from their peers in the USA long ago. Many of the older ones were HA when this sites founder was still in diapers.

Yes, you and fschmidt are both right. My heart is definitely not with the millennial generation. I despise most of them. Most of them are hopelessly blue pill liberal idiots. Try to talk to them and it's just bullshit and sarcasm. I've never met a fully "red pill" type in my real life, although I've known some that were borderline. Most of them are hopeless. For me it was even more motivation to get out - no good to be stuck between an older generation that doesn't understand how America's dead and another generation full of twits that can't even see how badly their hipster politics are f***ing them over.

Good posts by all three of you. Ghost I'm going to buy your book. The problem is 99% of Americans are blue pill and live in a fantasy world. They'd rather argue or create fantasy lives to tell you about. The main problem is whining and not doing anything about their lives when there are solutions to their problems.