Why are the working-classes fatter and uglier?

[mattyman]

Trigger warning; might offend people who can't stand observation of patterns or have acute generalisation accusatory syndrome.

By working class, I'm not specifically referring to the work that people do, put to the mentality and behaviour patterns, acting rough, being uglier, more ignorant and less educated. Not saying that all people from working class areas fit a stereotype, but that some patterns are more readily observable but are politically-incorrect to talk about.

Why do they have worse social skills on average? Why are their standards of behaviour worse? What's more, why can't you point this out on most forums without someone labelling you or accusing you of being a snob? Why do you have to filter yourself so f***ing much? More like, why is it that there's a greater prevalence of ugliness and fatness in working class areas?

First of all, I'm not even being prejudiced, all my bad experiences have been with people from the more working class areas. Being picked-on for sounding 'posh' (well-spoken). The worst ignorance I've seen has been from people from the working class areas. On a shallower note, you notice more ugly people in working class neighbourhoods.

On Saturday night in a bar, I was subjected to intimidation and harassment from some boorish, chavvy, laddish types after waiting for friends. When I was talking about the experience on another forum, I referred to the guys that were doing that as 'chavs' and 'working class morons'. I talked about how that sort of behaviour is unacceptable and how in my experience it has mostly come from people of that sort of creed. Someone layed-into me, and accused me of stereotyping. I guess I must have triggered someone (yay).

Why do you the working class women have deeper voices & more tattooes on average, and why do they dress either less feminine, or more slutty than middle-class women? In the UK these observations are very real. Why do they like to be hard.

I think in the UK at, political correctness and the shielding from criticism and the incentive to better themselves is something that probably plays a major role. They know that they can use the term judgemental or pass accusations of class stereotyping, or simply label the critic as a 'toffy middle class snob' and thus get any valid criticism shut down. Bad behaviour is not acceptable, ignorance is not acceptable, deep voices are not attractive, fatness is not attractive, tattooes and peircings are not attractive and feminine, lack of manners is not attractive. To say that it is more prevalent in working class areas is not stereotyping, it's pointing out an observation.

[Kradmelder]

The british chavs are a group all to their own. I have to mix with such types often amongst the contractors I use for work ( i stay in the same conditions as them) , had to live with them in the army ( and did better than them), and played rugby with them for security forces (played prop so mixed it up with the worst). They are also common in the biker scene (i ride more than any of them). I always got on with them, maybe because Im sort of a typical rugby player type build and a full on biker, although I am not of their class am a professional well educated person and live in a totally different area. They usually have guts, I am a size 34 and have been for 30 years. I am calm collected well mannered. Different than them. But I welcome their friendship. In return they feel respected and like me to meet their wives (look I also have decent friends). They know I am a professional person and their ego is happy that I treat them like an equal white man.

Some things about their mindset is that all they have is herd thinking. Thy need to be accepted, to be one of the boys. Be it 'colours' , a regular at a pub, clubs, gangs what ever. They lack the self esteem to survive as a free white man. They have no social safety net through money so must rely on each other. In many ways I float in their world but they know I am not and never join. I would never join a bike club for example. I avoid 'drinking with the boys'. I have no tatoos and will never. They know I ride alone and prefer to go drink alone or with 1 or 2 mates, never with drunk people.

Their worse skills is because they each try to out do each other. who is the most crude or aggressive, knowing his mates are behind him. The women are pretty when young but age quick. The men might be cool when young but by 30 they know an educated person has left them far behind and they resent it. It is their own choosing. Like if my old army friends come vists, now they are in the police. They can arrive with their captain who will say wow you have high class friends.

The point is remain yourself and don't look down on them. Some of them are good people when away from the group vibe. You will quickly surpass them. If you are nerdy you may get picked on. If you are a man's man and stand up they will respect you and welcome you but never try to make you one of them. Like they invite me to bike gatherings. Too drunk and low class for me. i just say thanks guys not my kind of thing. I am not a group person.

No chav ever bothered me in the Uk. Maybe because I am much bigger than them Or maybe because they know I am not afraid of them nor will i tolerate their shit, but will give them the respect they give me. I talk to them like to everyone else, nod and greet them. But I never use their vulgar talk. That is all they want; acknowledgement. I can greet and chat to any biker, no matter how chavvy, on chav like topics.

[Zambales]

To be fair, calling people "working class morons" is like insinuating that all working class are morons which definitely isn't the case and I'm not surprised some from that forum took offence. I'm from a working class background and I know the type of people that hassled you at the bar and for what it's worth, I dislike these kind intensely too.

I don't think they singled you out just because you're posh though, but because you're different to them. They probably do it to others too who they see as easy targets. They might have ginger hair or speak with a foreign accent for example. You get the picture.

Call them morons or chavs by all means but discard the working class tag because it's not right to label a whole social class based on these bunch of jerks.

[Kradmelder]

To be fair, calling people "working class morons" is like insinuating that all working class are morons which definitely isn't the case and I'm not surprised some from that forum took offence. I'm from a working class background and I know the type of people that hassled you at the bar and for what it's worth, I dislike these kind intensely too.

I don't think they singled you out just because you're posh though, but because you're different to them. They probably do it to others too who they see as easy targets. They might have ginger hair or speak with a foreign accent for example. You get the picture.

Call them morons or chavs by all means but discard the working class tag because it's not right to label a whole social class based on these bunch of jerks.

Hey watch it. I have reddish type hair and definitely speak with a foreign accent But I am not an easy target

[Zambales]

To be fair, calling people "working class morons" is like insinuating that all working class are morons which definitely isn't the case and I'm not surprised some from that forum took offence. I'm from a working class background and I know the type of people that hassled you at the bar and for what it's worth, I dislike these kind intensely too.

I don't think they singled you out just because you're posh though, but because you're different to them. They probably do it to others too who they see as easy targets. They might have ginger hair or speak with a foreign accent for example. You get the picture.

Call them morons or chavs by all means but discard the working class tag because it's not right to label a whole social class based on these bunch of jerks.

Hey watch it. I have reddish type hair and definitely speak with a foreign accent But I am not an easy target

A reddy from Seth Efrica. You must be Shaun Pollock!

[Russian1860]

I want to put my two cents. “Working class” may have a double meaning for Russians due to Soviet background.
It may mean a less educated person, who earns from manual labor. The second meaning is a human, who works for wage, and who is relatively poor. The difference is that in the second case a person, could be well educated, intelligent, well mannered, but simply unlucky, with a lack of grip to bite off his piece of pie in this world.

In early 1990s after collapse of USSR, Russian economics was almost destroyed. It forced many well educated people to work outside the field of their profession and qualification. And opposite, some people, who were nothing special before, became a millionaires and billionaires. It was somewhat a matter of luck to find themselves in the right time in the right place. In time situation stabilized, but up to now you can find quite many examples of Russians, who can be defined as Chavs, but who are rich at the same time.

As for me, I never look down on someone, just because he is less wealthy, than me, or less educated. I admit, that it is simply not interesting to spend time with someone, who is a lower class mentally. But I never behave myself in a way, when such person could recognize that. I try to tune myself to his level as much as possible, so that he didn’t feel flawed.

I don’t think they are fatter or uglier. Speaking about women, it may seem so, because by the certain age, many hot chicks upgrade their social status by finding well off men. But despite money, they still remain chavs. Nothing changes.

[Citizen]

Working class Catholics are often beautiful people. Strong and healthy. Perhaps Catholics rejected evil while Britain's leaders welcomed evil. Working class people in America are often fat and ugly. So maybe the same is true for America. Just tossing the idea out there. But I guess if my idea was true, Germans and the people of many other nations would all be fat and ugly also.

[mattyman]

What I don't understand about the UK is that people who are from lower income groups tend to eat in the most expensive way possible fast food and ready meals. It's true.

What I find irritating is that it's not politically correct to claim that working class people are on average more ignorant of nutrition. I think answering my own question, the working classes are probably not exposed to influences, the families, the peers, the local community, the social circles people have available. It's probably copying a pattern of parents. A good friend of mine as been in a relationship with a woman from a council estate who ate in exactly that same pattern. He also did meter reading as his job, the social observations we talked about were quite incredible.

To be fair, calling people "working class morons" is like insinuating that all working class are morons which definitely isn't the case and I'm not surprised some from that forum took offence. I'm from a working class background and I know the type of people that hassled you at the bar and for what it's worth, I dislike these kind intensely too.

I wasn't meaning to insinuate that all people of a working class background fit a certain bill. I was angry at the time of making the post I wasn't thinking.' I've had a lot of bad treatment from people of the chavvy description, that event evoked my anger. Wasn't meaning to convey that working class people badly-behaved chavs.

Anyway, on the original topic,I wanted to discuss the obesity crisis and why it's more acute and observable in working class areas, and why the statistics prove it's worse in lower income quintiles.bI don't belive that money has anything to do with it, purely social influences and behaviour.

Why is there this myth that healthy eating is expensive? Why this myth that it's more difficult? It is not at all. The freezer, salads, coucous salads, bouled potato salads. Make sure there's something lean protein, starchy and some vegatables ready to eat at all times. For protein, hard boiled eggs, cooked chicken, lentils, chickpeas? Cheaper than chips. For starch, coucous, cooked pasta (can make bakes and frittata), bked potato (can be cooked in bulk in the oven and kept in the fridge to microwave, easy). Having a stock of leftovers and veg to chuck in and eat is the key to avoiding the snack trap. Very cheap and healthy way to eat. It is certainly not expensive, it certainly doesn't have to be labour intensive. It's all about making your own convenience foods. Think o all those salads you see in the supermarkets, nothing is stopping you form making those at home and keeping a stock in the fridge. Jut use the eatwell plate and the portion guides for each food group.

How come so many great cuisines in the world originate from the poor? One would think that lack of money would lead one to be creative. What is the problem with the USA and Britain? Both countries have the same phenomena (and depressingly, I'm hearing Spain is becoming that way too). What's with this perverse situation of healthy eating being associate with 'organic' and 'health food''? You don't need that cranky nonsense to eat a decent diet. Most of what you need is down the local supermarket and in official government advice (well, at least following those guidelines has helped me stay in shape so can't be bad).

I think it's largely social influences and access to the right resources rather than money. I think the idea 'they can't afford it' is rubbish. There are many very low income families, even those on benefits who can afford widescreen tvs, subscriptions and regular consumption of takeaways (take-out). Not being prejudiced, this is fairly common. Maybe tv is a form of escape? Maybe people have lost their sense of community?

[jamesbond]

Why do the working class women have deeper voices & more tattooes on average, and why do they dress less feminine.

Those are all good questions. The working class woman below thinks she is too good for men.

[Russian1860]

Why do the working class women have deeper voices & more tattooes on average, and why do they dress less feminine.

Those are all good questions. The working class woman below thinks she is too good for men.

Come on!
Not all working-class women are like that.

[Kradmelder]

[Russian1860]

Come on, Kradmelder! I have been to South Africa, and I didn't see such beasts all around. I must admit, that such pictures are relevant for US, but definitely not towards SA. Come to Russia. They are so beautiful there.

[PumaGirl]

Wow I heard myself speaking through another person I totally agree with everything you say.
Nobody likes me because I happen to say what I feel and I feel the same way I also am far from politically correct and,
I don't want to be a politically correct conforming to someone else's ideologies fake cunt face like everybody else!
Everybody's okay with their sons being transgender girls and their daughters being transgender boys.
Oh society is going backwards their spreading their message through fat insecure girls that they find online looking for a place to fit in. so they're new topic is ...
"Self Shaming" and it's not okay they say! Ha ha yeah okay. First of all I don't call it ''Self Shaming'' I call it discipline and recognizing that you're a fat ass!
Yet the fat pig feminist is putting her BS (fats ok) propaganda for these other fat asses as she's eating a cake straight from the box on her computer typing how hard she exercises and hardly eats anything!he can't take the weight off because of a thyroid problem yet she still eating that cake and then there's my
favorite "I'm big boned" well I've never seen a fat skeleton yet!!