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[eurobrat]

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Sorry to hear about your grandmother. Is it possible to dissolve the clots? Kidney failure is not good.

Yes, having grandkids is usually the biggest source of happiness for grandparents. I suppose it is the thing that makes it worthwhile after all the effort of raising your own kids.

[Rock]

My Grandma went into the hospital today, she has blood clots in her lungs from her leg which has been for some time. She also has a failing kidney and a broken collar bone. She's a mess.

I come from a more traditional Italian/Catholic family, large family. Watching her children and grandchildren show up on a moments notice made me realize that I myself would like children at least one.

I went over to her house last week to install a new shower head with an extended handle so that she could bathe with one arm and it made me think how nice it is to have grandchildren and children to watch over you when your older.

You don't know it now, but when you get older and your body is failing and suddenly the simple tasks become hard it's nice to have family be there for you.

Well, I've seen so many sad cases where children and grandchildren really can't be bothered, except where a significant inheritance is involved. Having children is no guarantee of anything just as getting married does not secure your place in a woman's heart.

On the other hand, if you have enough money, you can check into a number of assisted living or nursing type facilities, many with interesting social activities if/when you ever make it to that stage of your life. Sarasota Florida has a niche for about every type of older person you could imagine. Active and healthy 70 somethings are part of the young-set in those communities. There are even ultra high-end options for those with the sufficient financial resources where your likely to meet a lot of very interesting former big-shots. As they get older and the body slows down, the graduate into increasingly dependent types of care.

[leavingusa]

Many men end up divorced, penniless and their children hate them.

Personally, when I get to the point where I can't handle basic tasks I'll check myself out.

[rome86]

children hate their parents in the western world , in the south meaning the non-western world family raise children so they are very tight to their parents... i was raised in a big family i cannot imagine myself without kids , i can sacrifice marriage but not kids

[Contrarian Expatriate]

My Grandma went into the hospital today, she has blood clots in her lungs from her leg which has been for some time. She also has a failing kidney and a broken collar bone. She's a mess.

I come from a more traditional Italian/Catholic family, large family. Watching her children and grandchildren show up on a moments notice made me realize that I myself would like children at least one.

I went over to her house last week to install a new shower head with an extended handle so that she could bathe with one arm and it made me think how nice it is to have grandchildren and children to watch over you when your older.

You don't know it now, but when you get older and your body is failing and suddenly the simple tasks become hard it's nice to have family be there for you.

While I sympathize with the plight of your dear grandmother, I cannot agree that such is a valid rationale for having children.
Having children is a lifelong vocation of enormous expense and responsibility, and that is under NORMAL circumstances. Heaven forbid a child has medical issues and the expense and responsibility are compounded.

I advocate that those who have fully analyzed the cost/benefit of having children before doing so in this legal environment.

[NorthAmericanguy]

My Grandma went into the hospital today, she has blood clots in her lungs from her leg which has been for some time. She also has a failing kidney and a broken collar bone. She's a mess.

I come from a more traditional Italian/Catholic family, large family. Watching her children and grandchildren show up on a moments notice made me realize that I myself would like children at least one.

I went over to her house last week to install a new shower head with an extended handle so that she could bathe with one arm and it made me think how nice it is to have grandchildren and children to watch over you when your older.

You don't know it now, but when you get older and your body is failing and suddenly the simple tasks become hard it's nice to have family be there for you.

I hear you man but it goes both ways. I know of families who set up everything right to ensure they could maintain a stable family but their kids came out disabled, their kids tragically died before they did, or their kids don't even give a dam and got strung out on drugs.

For example, one of my customers ( a couple) migrated from Hungary to California in the 40/50's and did very well in business. Well, they now have since long retired but they explained to me that they live alone and hate their kids because they got strung out on drugs and never come around. They have 2-3 kids who are in their 30's/40's and they don't get along with any of them. They don't even see their grand kids.

Sadly, the elder father died about 2 years ago and now his wife lives all by herself. She's ok though because she has MONEY to buy the services that she needs (like me!).

And I could tell you so many stories of single elderly women who live alone in trailer parks with nobody to come and visit them. I know because I regularly do work on these parks so I get to see individual lives that are invisible to most people.



Bottom line, in the world we live in today, you're much safer not having kids and just saving up your money from your young working years to ensure you have money to take care of you when you get old. To maximize that even further I would move abroad where heath care is cheap and a maid is affordable.

[NorthAmericanguy]

My Grandma went into the hospital today, she has blood clots in her lungs from her leg which has been for some time. She also has a failing kidney and a broken collar bone. She's a mess.

I come from a more traditional Italian/Catholic family, large family. Watching her children and grandchildren show up on a moments notice made me realize that I myself would like children at least one.

I went over to her house last week to install a new shower head with an extended handle so that she could bathe with one arm and it made me think how nice it is to have grandchildren and children to watch over you when your older.

You don't know it now, but when you get older and your body is failing and suddenly the simple tasks become hard it's nice to have family be there for you.

While I sympathize with the plight of your dear grandmother, I cannot agree that such is a valid rationale for having children.
Having children is a lifelong vocation of enormous expense and responsibility, and that is under NORMAL circumstances. Heaven forbid a child has medical issues and the expense and responsibility are compounded.

I advocate that those who have fully analyzed the cost/benefit of having children before doing so in this legal environment.

Yep, well said. I personally know of a woman who has a disabled child. The child is "invalid" and would die if not taken care of every day. The child is about 25-30 years old, and to this day, the mom has to feed it like a baby and change its clothes and adult diapers. The child lies on the floor most the time and mumbles uncontrollably.

This mother will be tied to taking care of this child for the rest of her life because she is too poor to afford outside care.

[NorthAmericanguy]

children hate their parents in the western world ,

You know why? It's mostly because American parents pop out kid after kid like a puppy mill then they CHOSE to never be around them because work is more important to them.

To then compound the situation, American parents have the expectation that every one of their kids should be doctors, lawyers, or stockbrokers who make 350k a year and have a 10,000sf home and anything less they're a failure.



So it's only natural that kids who grow up in this way hate their parents, they were abandoned during the early years of their lives, and during the middle half of their life they are not accepted unless they secure a prestigious employment position in society.

[C.J.]

It's mostly because American parents pop out kid after kid like a puppy mill then they CHOSE to never be around them because work is more important to them.

So it's only natural that kids who grow up in this way hate their parents, they were abandoned during the early years of their lives, and during the middle half of their life they are not accepted unless they secure a prestigious employment position in society.

Exactly. I hate my parents and want retribution for abandoning me and aborting my sister late(apparently from the fear of the baby "being like me"). I think it's a blessing to have THREE albino children in a row, all helping one another through tough times. They didn't feel the same I suppose.

If this world were natural, my parents would've long been slaughtered. Now I'll just have to wait until they die of natural causes and laugh at them. Bittersweet.

[eurobrat]

Hey guys thanks for the best wishes the blood thinner is dissolving the clots in her lungs so at least she won't die drowning in her own blood. I would prefer a peaceful death for my grandmother.

I think we should only hope for the best when we get old that there is someone who is able to take care of us.