Why do most people consider it bad to want sex and women?

[Winston]

There's something I don't understand. Why do most mainstream people, as well as most forums out there, consider a person who seeks sex and beautiful/hot women as someone "bad, disgusting, revolting" and to be hated and looked down upon?

Sex is a natural desire that most people have right? And beauty if universally desired and appreciated. So where is the sin or wrongdoing in having strong desires for such things and pursuing gratification in those areas?

It doesn't make sense.

It's like you have to pretend you don't want sex or women and that you keep your desires within the confines of a monogamous relationship or marriage. Otherwise, the desires are forbidden? That's weird and unnatural.

But why hate someone or condemn him for doing something natural or having natural desires?

Yet most mainstream people are like this, including brainiacs and intellectuals. Why? What's the rationale behind it?

For example, I know many mainstream people who see my site will condemn it as bad or distasteful, but why? I haven't done anything illegal or wrong. I haven't hurt anyone. Everything I do is mutual, and accomplishes my objectives and what I want. So how and why is that "bad" to some people, such as Dianne's aunt?

What exactly do such people see that is wrong?

[WorldTraveler]

This is an important topic to me so wanted to post a reply. All this condeming of men for having sex with beautiful women comes from a USA / Anglo (England) purtanical view of sex. The main reason men condemn other men about having sex with other beautiful women is because they are JEALOUS that they don't have the ballls to do it. I do not condone lying cheating or hurting other people in the process. Two people having sex is a perfectly normal thing. In fact for several million years of human history men who had sex with more women produced more offspring than ones who didn't, therefore their genes were transferred to the next generation and more humans w/ these these genes were produces. Wimp prudish men are not selected for. This is the same for all these feminist who don't want sex or kids, they are going against millions of years of human natural selection. They are detramental to the human species.

I also hear how by going to bar girls, etc. we are mistreating these girls. This is not the case. About 40% of these girls end up marrying foreign customers. The life they came from in their local village was a lot worse than what they are going to w/ their new husband.

When I came over to the Philippines. I kept in touch w/ many of my friends from the USA and invited them to come visit. I told them how happy I was here. Most quit Emailing me, soon after I left. Why. They were jealous!!!! This is like the other guys who condemn men for having fun.

[Winston]

So Dianne's aunt (and Dianne) is giving you shit, huh? (BTW I finally read that letter you wrote -- and posted -- to Dianne's aunt. It was unbelievably awful, just jaw-dropping.)

Well guess what, Winston: You now have a FAMILY -- a result of a choice you made.

You chose a heavy responsibility for any man to take on, Winston -- how could you not know that? Your question wouldn't be much of an issue if you had stayed single. In any case, you'll just have to put up with certain female expectations from your new family about being monogamous.

W: She isn't giving me shit anymore. That was in the past. She was giving Dianne and her family shit back then. She never gave me shit directly. I was speaking of the past. The point is, she considered men who liked more than one woman to be "bad". The reason is because the father of her daughter, this black guy, left her after she was pregnant.

What letter I wrote? The one a long time ago? That was removed long ago, a year ago. Where did you find it? The bashers gave it to you? That means you are in league with them?

Why was it awful? Who was awful? I was merely trying to fight to defend Dianne and her family. She was THREATENING and TERRORIZING them on account of me. Do you think that's right? Do you condone such methods swincor?

Do you think it's right to punish Dianne's family for Dianne's choices? That's not out of line to you swincor?

So let me get this straight swincor. A tyrant threatens and terrorizes people under her power, and someone has the courage to stand up to the tyrant, and you condemn the person standing up?

[Winston]

WorldTraveler, perhaps jealousy is part of it, but it's more than that. These people out there really do consider us "bad" for some reason. I can't figure out why. Maybe they're just scared of us because we represent something they are afraid of?

Anyhow, here is Ladislav's take on this:


"Most modern religions regulate sex because they want to make sure that it is done within family context and therefore, children have fathers and are taken care of. These religions developed in pre-condom days when sex led to pregnancies.

For millennia, girls' marriageability depended on whether she was a virgin or not. Most men did not like marrying a girl who was used goods or had a bastard kid. It hurt their pride. A man going around popping cherries would spoil marriage prospects for all people and create kids with no fathers to take care of them.

Puritanical Christianity in America and heavy Catholicism in the Philippines take it upon themselves to make sure that sex serves procreational purposes and that families are created with proper mothers and fathers as a result.

In the US in particular, Puritanism is in some ways similar to Hinayana Buddhism in that it regulates desires and promotes modesty, hard work and control over sex.

Catholicism is less suppressive of beauty and good dressing habits but very much into promotion of virginity as a means to ensure there are no unwanted pregnancies and no kids outside of wedlock.

You must admit though that with all the ensuing frustrations, Catholic countries do have quite happy families."

[Mr S]

When I came over to the Philippines. I kept in touch w/ many of my friends from the USA and invited them to come visit. I told them how happy I was here. Most quit Emailing me, soon after I left. Why. They were jealous!!!! This is like the other guys who condemn men for having fun.

I've had similar experiences with some of my male friends from my past. I found them on MySpace or Facebook and when I contacted them and they emailed me telling me about their life, I then emailed them back about being overseas and all that. Then I never heard back from them, even after repeated tries.

I guess the house with the 2 kids and white picket fence doesn't sound so nice after I told them I was bouncing around Asia doing whatever I wanted.

I think a lot of guys pretend they are enjoying their life, but deep down they have second thoughts... I think this is why I see so many older guys going through mid-life crisis after they get divorced. They go to Thailand or Philippines and try to make up their lost years as a youth. Sometimes it looks pathetic, but at least they are free and happy now in their own minds.

[Winston]

Mr S, when you emailed those guys, did you tell them you were getting laid with multiple women, or that you were just traveling and experiencing different cultures as a hippie with a backpack and Lonely Planet in his bag? If you had probably said the latter, they wouldn't have minded. lol

[Winston]

Some more questions:

Why are most people offended by the notion of a "sex tourist"? Why is that considered bad or offensive and the behavior of an indecent human being?

Isn't pleasure and fulfillment of fantasies better than regret and always "wishing"?

If you were married to an white woman and had a fetish for asian women, is it better to fulfill those fantasies even though it would make you a "bad person" by the standards of mainstream society and people? Or is it better to go through the rest of your life never experiencing any other women except your wife, never living your fantasies and trying out what you desire, living in regret, resisting temptation at every opportunity, feeling disappointment, etc. just to be a "moral man"?

Or if you were married to an asian woman and had a fetish for white women, same questions as above.

[Mr S]

I don't know exactly what I stated but I probably said that I was having the time of my life and being able to date and bang hot, feminine women that aren't generally like the fat slobs and bitches American woman tend to be. Then they don't reply, ha ha. Maybe their wives of Gf's read their email! I wouldn't be surprised as American men are generally pussies now and let women walk all over them.

I left the states for one reason or another and one of those was to be able to bang hot Asian woman. And like you said it would be difficult to accomplish that in the states, so why don't I just go to the source? I'm not going to sit on my ass in some rat race job in the states wishing when I'm 50 that I went overseas and banged every hot piece of ass I could get my hands on. Most guys I talk to admit that getting married was a mistake and I should stay single as long as possible. Also that I should f**k as many girls as I can before I die. So that's what I have been doing for the most part. Maybe when my limbedo slows down as i get older I'll feel more inclined to get into a long term relationship. But why now when I am still young ad in the prime of my life? Humans now a days live well over 70's years unlike in the past where 30 years old was considered a long life and getting married in your teens or 20's was the norm. Well not anymore so I'm using it to my advantage. I've probably had sex with well over 500 women now, but I know not 1000 yet. Somewhere in between. I stopped counting a long time ago.

[monster22]

There's something I don't understand. Why do most mainstream people, as well as most forums out there, consider a person who seeks sex and beautiful/hot women as someone "bad, disgusting, revolting" and to be hated and looked down upon?

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What exactly do such people see that is wrong?

I'm not sure whether your original generalization is correct. Where is the evidence that "most mainstream people... " as you state above?

I do know that there are many "spiritual" figures who have stated the value of commitment and fidelity; perhaps some people are offended that you disagree with their favorite spiritual figure's valuation of commitment?

Another possible obstacle you may be encountering is that in most societies it is taboo to openly state your desires. It's not the desire that's taboo - take careful note and investigate on your own - it's the open stating of the desires that is taboo.

[Winston]

I don't know exactly what I stated but I probably said that I was having the time of my life and being able to date and bang hot, feminine women that aren't generally like the fat slobs and bitches American woman tend to be. Then they don't reply, ha ha. Maybe their wives of Gf's read their email! I wouldn't be surprised as American men are generally pussies now and let women walk all over them.

I left the states for one reason or another and one of those was to be able to bang hot Asian woman. And like you said it would be difficult to accomplish that in the states, so why don't I just go to the source? I'm not going to sit on my ass in some rat race job in the states wishing when I'm 50 that I went overseas and banged every hot piece of ass I could get my hands on. Most guys I talk to admit that getting married was a mistake and I should stay single as long as possible. Also that I should f**k as many girls as I can before I die. So that's what I have been doing for the most part. Maybe when my limbedo slows down as i get older I'll feel more inclined to get into a long term relationship. But why now when I am still young ad in the prime of my life? Humans now a days live well over 70's years unlike in the past where 30 years old was considered a long life and getting married in your teens or 20's was the norm. Well not anymore so I'm using it to my advantage. I've probably had sex with well over 500 women now, but I know not 1000 yet. Somewhere in between. I stopped counting a long time ago.

W: LOL well there you have it then. Your lifestyle offended them and was a threat to the equilibrium of their existence and what they've convinced themselves to accept. Plus they feared acknowledging your path as a viable lifestyle, so they had to flush it out of their mind by stopping contact with you too. In a lot of couples, the man lets his wife read his email.

If you are addicted to sex and banging new girls though, it doesn't just fade away. I mean, look at Hugh Heffner, he still has the same lifestyle even though he has less energy. I wonder why his lifestyle isn't condemned in the US by the media?

[Winston]

There's something I don't understand. Why do most mainstream people, as well as most forums out there, consider a person who seeks sex and beautiful/hot women as someone "bad, disgusting, revolting" and to be hated and looked down upon?

...

What exactly do such people see that is wrong?

I'm not sure whether your original generalization is correct. Where is the evidence that "most mainstream people... " as you state above?

I do know that there are many "spiritual" figures who have stated the value of commitment and fidelity; perhaps some people are offended that you disagree with their favorite spiritual figure's valuation of commitment?

Another possible obstacle you may be encountering is that in most societies it is taboo to openly state your desires. It's not the desire that's taboo - take careful note and investigate on your own - it's the open stating of the desires that is taboo.

W: The evidence is that most mainstream people, even my relatives in Taiwan, condemn me or avoid me if they find out that I will go to a place for the girls and sex, as though that were wrong or bad and not normal at all. Even on most other forums, if I mention it or show my website, I draw the same immediate condemnation and am labeled as a bad person to be despised, or an outcast, or a "sex tourist".

Yes you are right that it is taboo to openly state your desires. I wonder why though. It's like you are supposed to pretend that you have no desires?

[jamesbond]

I think Hugh Hefners life style is ok with a lot of Americans because he is "rich and famous." Now, a regular guy who does what he is doing might be considered "a creep and pervert" for dating women much younger than him. Talk about a double standard! I am in my late thirties and when I tell people I prefer college age girls people look at me like I am an alien! In the US, if you are rich and famous it's "ok" to date and sleep with lot's women who are a lot younger than you. But, if you are just a regular guy and your dating and porking lot's of younger women you are considered a "creep and wierdo." What a double standard! I know in the Philillipines guys dating and sleeping with much younger women (Art Bells wife is 40 yrs. younger than him) is considered ok and normal! It must be a western society thing!

[Winston]

Good point James Bond. And also, how come James Bond isn't condemned for sleeping with different women and his womanizing as well?

[Shokkers]

Good point James Bond. And also, how come James Bond isn't condemned for sleeping with different women and his womanizing as well?

Maybe because A) James Bond's prepared to lay down his life for the greater good (at least for Britain), B) His life could end at any moment, C) such a high-risk lifestyle doesn't go well with typical marriage and kids. I think in one early book Bond did have a fiance, who was killed, so now he's not looking for anything long-term. (It's kind of moot anyway, since he's a fictional character.)

"Committed" or married men typically get more respect because they've done what society in general expects of them. They've "settled down", proven themselves "responsible", blah blah blah. This was one reason Ralph Nader couldn't get elected: a TV host said Bush was more 'mature' because he had a wife and Nader didn't (even though Nader would have done a lot better for the country).

Count yourself LUCKY that you're male, though, because women have a lot more to lose by being sexually free...anything from a bad reputation in the US to being stoned to death elsewhere.

Anyway, you really only get flak for this type of lifestyle if people know about it.
Hefner got Playboy off the ground in the 70s when the sexual revolution was at its peak, and by the time anyone criticized him (and they still do), he was already rich enough not to care.
--K.K.
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[gmm567]

OK WINSTON LETS BE HONEST HERE.


You don't think you've hurt your girlfriend by cheating on her? You think this is a good thing or a bad thing?

That's why people condemn you're behavior.