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fschmidt wrote:There is a real problem with silver as a long term investment, taxes. You can buy physical and not report it, but this is a problem if you are talking about significant money, both because the silver can be stolen and because the government can find out. If you pay taxes, you lose much of the inflation protection value. So I expect to sell out soon, meaning within a few years.

My long term investment is AMH which is a REIT. This works much better because I never have to sell which means I never have to pay tax on the capital gain caused by inflation. I just keep collecting the dividend which will automatically adjust for inflation.
If the price of gold to silver ratio goes from 60:1 right now to the historical average of 10:1, you've made 500% profit. Is the gov't going to tax you at 500%?

Also, one of the most interesting ideas I've heard from Chris Duane about what to do with silver is that you borrow against it on a later date and use it to buy more real assets (real estate) and generate income from that.
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Rocky Top wrote:If the price of gold to silver ratio goes from 60:1 right now to the historical average of 10:1, you've made 500% profit. Is the gov't going to tax you at 500%?
Of course if silver significantly beats inflation, then it is worth buying, and that is why I bought it. But I don't care about the gold/silver ratio. The price of gold is basically random, purely based on psychology. The price of silver, in the long run, is determined by fundamentals, primarily the cost of mining it.
Also, one of the most interesting ideas I've heard from Chris Duane about what to do with silver is that you borrow against it on a later date and use it to buy more real assets (real estate) and generate income from that.
I hate leverage, I never borrow. But if someone was going to borrow anything, they should borrow yen.
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HouseMD wrote:
tre wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:Gold is actively manipulated by the Government and another joke investment.
Gold/Silver prices are definitely being manipulated, but they can't manipulate them forever. Precious metals will never be worthless (unlike paper) and prices will go up once everything else fails. Gold/Silver aren't really "Investments" as they don't make profits really. They only prevent LOSING $$ from inflation caused by the constant money printing. The elitists want you to think that Gold/Silver are bad investments and that is why they manipulate the value so much. This is easier to do as long as the Federal Reserve is in operation. Their plan is working and many are selling them off...don't fall for it.
The thing is, if the global economy collapses, gold will be just as worthless as anything else. The claim that it has intrinsic value is completely false- you can't eat it, you can't weaponize it, you can't build with it. People will be starving and desperate. You think I'm going to give you some of my preciously limited food for some damn rock?
I never understood the gold & silver thing either. If it gets that bad, what good is it. Invest in yourself if you don't already have a trade or 2. Keep adding skills as you age. Gradually move off the grid as much as poss. All the common sense stuff...
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HouseMD wrote:The illusion is to their benefit, as it always has been, for giving up the system means giving up six billion slaves.
Agenda 21 type scenarios tell me they're willing to give up all but about half a billion slaves; and who is counting the sheep exactly? They are. Does any one have any proof there are 6 billion people in the world? We should believe the people who tell us there are terrorists?

Yolanda was a manufactured storm, as were most ( if not all) of the recent disasters. I think the cabal is closer to their population reduction goal than they're letting on. The lies have to be all encompassing for the plan to work.
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In2dadark wrote:Agenda 21 type scenarios tell me they're willing to give up all but about half a billion slaves.
Yes, it has been apparent since the 70s that they regard their global human farm as being overstocked. How many slaves do a few mutants really need?
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fschmidt wrote:There is a real problem with silver as a long term investment, taxes. You can buy physical and not report it, but this is a problem if you are talking about significant money, both because the silver can be stolen and because the government can find out. If you pay taxes, you lose much of the inflation protection value. So I expect to sell out soon, meaning within a few years.

My long term investment is AMH which is a REIT. This works much better because I never have to sell which means I never have to pay tax on the capital gain caused by inflation. I just keep collecting the dividend which will automatically adjust for inflation.
I mentioned that silver is a long term investment because it's not something that you get rich quickly from.

If anyone is trying to get rich quick from owning silver, then you might need to find a new investment.

Me personally, I'm holding silver as hedge against inflation.

Since commodities like silver and gold are good hedges against inflation.

I doubt the government will confiscate your silver.

Be careful with the REIT once the economy starts getting worse because a REIT is still tied to the volatile stock market.

The stock market along with mutual funds and bonds are going to collapse badly.

A REIT is good for now but just be careful.

Be wary of anyone who says these words: "Diversify in stocks, bonds and mutual funds!"

If someone is giving you financial advice like this.............RUN!
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Are You Prepared For The Economic Collapse?

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The New Rules Of Money

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Your Precious American Dollars Are Trash And Will One Day Be Worthless.

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HouseMD wrote:They would never do that because it benefits banks to have the deposits. Without money in the banks, there are no bankers. It would just result in a mass exodus of money to the stock market where returns would be greater than negative, which wouldn't make a damn bit of difference because your bank already dumps that same money in the stock market right after you deposit it. If you're dumb enough to just leave money sitting in a CD or treasury account, you're already making 2.5%+ negative interest per year anyway.

The were some proposals to outright confiscate 10% of assets in Europe recently, you should be more concerned about that.
Why would bank need deposits when they can borrow from the Fed? You say "without money in the banks, there are no bankers". Absolutely right. Bankers are no longer bankers, just speculators and casino players gambling with the taxpayer's money.
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I don't get all this talk about investments and properties. If there is a real collapse, you only own what you can protect with your shotgun.

Someone above made a good point. Rather than tryi g to own something, BE something. A good doctor will never go hungry no matter how bad things get.

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The_Adventurer wrote:I don't get all this talk about investments and properties. If there is a real collapse, you only own what you can protect with your shotgun.

Someone above made a good point. Rather than tryi g to own something, BE something. A good doctor will never go hungry no matter how bad things get.
Actually, there are qualified doctors going hungry in various parts of the world right now. They said the same thing about pilots once, and they start out on near minimum wage these days, if they start out at all.
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The_Adventurer wrote:I don't get all this talk about investments and properties. If there is a real collapse, you only own what you can protect with your shotgun.

Someone above made a good point. Rather than tryi g to own something, BE something. A good doctor will never go hungry no matter how bad things get.

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You do know that there are MANY doctors that are BROKE, right?

And most doctors follow the same bad financial advice as most of the population: Go to school, get a job, become well diversified in stocks-mutual funds-and bonds, put money in my 401 K plan and retire!

Everyone's 401K plans are tied to the stocks and mutual funds and they'll be totally wiped out when the collapse occurs.

It doesn't matter what your occupation is once the economy collapses because if you're still saving U.S. dollars or any other paper currency in the world, then that's going to be wiped out.

No fiat currency around the world is backed by anything and it's essentially worthless paper.

ALL currency around the world has ALWAYS gone to a value of zero and it's going to be the same thing this time.

Many millionaires who are not properly prepared for the economic collapse are going to be WIPED OUT.

If all currency around the world will eventually become worthless, then the deciding factor is not what your occupation is but how you are prepared.

Gold and silver are your best friends.
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Cornfed wrote:
The_Adventurer wrote:I don't get all this talk about investments and properties. If there is a real collapse, you only own what you can protect with your shotgun.

Someone above made a good point. Rather than tryi g to own something, BE something. A good doctor will never go hungry no matter how bad things get.
Actually, there are qualified doctors going hungry in various parts of the world right now. They said the same thing about pilots once, and they start out on near minimum wage these days, if they start out at all.
Pilots are actually doing really well right now internationally.
http://www.willflyforfood.com/airline-pilot-salary/
You can see the average hourly pay by company. I would hardly say that any of even the entry level salaries come close to minimum wage.

There's a projected global shortage of 450,000 pilots over the next few years. The trouble is the cost of education- it can cost 120k or more to become certified to fly in many first world countries. This makes being a pilot the sort of thing only upper middle class and wealthy kids can easily afford.

On another note, I don't think the will be some massive wiping out of people (until an inevitable pandemic hits). The whole point of being on top is to enjoy how many you have beaten to get there. There have been experiments that show that people take more joy in winning money when another person also losses as they gain. It has also been shown that if one makes substantially more than their neighbors, their happiness is significantly improved, while those that have the same level of affluence but live in communities that are equally as affluent, their happiness declines. By having a larger underclass, the happiness of the wealthy is thus improved. The less people there are beneath them, the more diminished their success becomes.

What I think will (and is) happening is a freezing of the income classes. Between skyrocketing college costs, home costs, and increases to the cost of living, middle class individuals find themselves unable to invest or build capital due to their profound debt loads. This leaves them unable to provide funds to educate their children, who must struggle to pay for school to remain a part of the middle class, and thus the cycle begins again. The poor don't have a chance from the outset, as they cannot even afford basic necessities let alone a home or school. Finally, the wealthy are solidified in their position because the interest paid by the lower classes all goes to them and the companies they own. Only the best and brightest can break from the lower classes to the upper class- more common are those too lacking in self control that spend themselves into financial ruin or too unmotivated to pursue education or start a business, the ones that drop down the rungs rather than move up them.

The rich have already won the financial war. What do you do once you conquer a people? You fortify your position and protect your assets.
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HouseMD wrote:
Cornfed wrote:Actually, there are qualified doctors going hungry in various parts of the world right now. They said the same thing about pilots once, and they start out on near minimum wage these days, if they start out at all.
Pilots are actually doing really well right now internationally.
http://www.willflyforfood.com/airline-pilot-salary/
You can see the average hourly pay by company. I would hardly say that any of even the entry level salaries come close to minimum wage.
Strange. You may be thinking of the older guys.
http://skift.com/2013/08/28/the-u-s-air ... imum-wage/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/j ... ours-wages
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/ ... in-common/
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