Why Winston was an asshole to AnAmericaninBangkok

[Bitch_Slapper]

I've been realizing some sad depressing truths about America lately.

If you grow up in the US, especially in CA or NY, at some point you are told the depressing cliche: "It's a cold uncaring cruel world. No one will take care of you. So you have to become a tough asshole in order to survive."

It's a terrible thing to hear, especially when you are a child. And it contradicts and shatters the wonderful creative rosy world of Disney and Mr. Rogers that we were exposed to in the early years. I've never accepted this cliche, and never could. It's sad that many people in America accept this and literally do become uncaring assholes in order to cope with life in America. No wonder why there are so many assholes in America. It's no accident or coincidence.

Sorry, Winston, but you're still not sympathetic. Especially after that exchange you had with AiB in the other thread. In fact, I'd say you come off as an asshole yourself, albeit in your own unique way. You're not as likeable as you make yourself out to be, and if you were a little more reflective, you'd easily see why others see you as a kind of punching bag. AiB's hostile posts resulted from your usual behavior of provoking, baiting, and jerking people emotionally -- just like a chick would do. So please cut the "oh I'm such an innocent victim" BS.

Excuse me, but who the hell are you? Are you AiB? Why are you hiding behind a new username?
How am I an asshole? Everyone who knows me will tell you that I'm a very nice, honest and genuine guy. Others see me as a punching bag because I look dopey, weak and unmasculine. Not because of anything I did wrong. I'm a true victim in this regard.

I did not bait AiB. I do not pick fights with people. Look at my behavior and that is obvious. Therefore, the problem must be him. He is just a bully who likes to pick on people and then blame it on them. He doesn't see his faults and what he is doing. No one is objective about themselves.

Your version is extremely self-serving, Winston. It's also false.

In fact, you did bait AiB, and all but admitted as much. Sorry Winston, but you're no victim. OTOH you are a cry-baby who likes to (falsely) portray himself as a victim, but fortunately your forum members know better.

AiB was one of the best posters on your board, and you drove him off with your infantile, moronic, insulting behavior. He initially gave you some helpful tips, and encouraged you to pursue this stripper -- all this without flaming or bullying you. Remember, you were the one who posed the problem, and asked for advice.

Then, after it became clear you were going to chicken out, he commented this:

The truth is, Winston had a great idea when he initially started HA. It's still a great idea. But aside from his Filipina and the occasional whore (or not so occasional), I don't think he's got laid very often. Like one other person astutely noted, a stripper is just a half a step away from being a whore.

Also, living in the U.S. isn't living Happier Abroad IMO. If you were living in the PI getting laid regularly and were married or had a bevy of beauties I doubt you would have made this thread.

Upon which, you angrily went off on some silly nonsense, and then attacked AiB personally about his looks, his wife's looks, and speculated that he hadn't gotten laid in Thailand, and that girls there don't find him attractive. On top of all that, you called his views "narrow" -- an accusation you have not backed up. At that point, he finally blew his top, and that's when he talked about hurting you physically if he met you in BKK. And I don't blame him. If I had provoked and baited him the same way you did, I would have expected him to talk about hurting me too.

But the next quote below by you really says it all. It explains why people can't help perceiving you as a punching bag:

This thread is not that serious. I started it to put up a controversial title that would get attention and even flames, ridicule or condemnation. Doesn't it make my trip reports more interesting and controversial? I mean, sheesh, it's better than me writing everyday that I drove from point A to point B and and enjoyed the scenery and tomorrow I'm gonna do the same, blah blah blah.

Wouldn't that be boring to read? Of course it is. That's why I spiced things up with this issue. Not that I made it up of course. It's real and happened exactly the way I described. But when it happened, I saw it as an opportunity to spice up the forum with some controversy and drama, even if it's negative or makes me look bad. Get it?

IOW, you started this thread to jerk everyone's chain, knowing you would generate more activity and views. You asked for advice, without ever intending to act on it, only insulting and criticizing those who offered what they sincerely thought you wanted to hear.

Yes sir, Mr Wu: you DEFINITELY are one real asshole!

[zboy1]

Hey, AIB and Winston: let's call a truce between you guys; Both are you are temperamental in nature, so I can see why you guys might've rubbed each other the wrong way. I would like AIB to come back, but in a less confrontational way...

I also like Banano--and hope he comes back as well...

Winston definitely was partly-at-fault for his beef with AIB; but AIB also threatened and cursed-out many other members too! I tried to pm him many times about his demeanor, but he wouldn't listen...

Winston is always acting-out and responding like a jerk, though, so I can see why some people get angry with him...But people need to take him with a grain-of-salt--because that's just who he is. ...

[Winston]

Bitch Slapper,
Who the hell are you? Why don't you identify yourself? Are you AiB in disguise? Why do you care about him so much? Are you into guys who look like thugs? lol

This is the wrong thread for your complaints about me. You should have posted them elsewhere. I ought to split your post from this thread.

You are cherry picking and being selective in your quoting. First, that is NOT the only post where AiB bashed me. He posted MANY posts that were mean and nasty and unfair to me. You only cited one of MANY. Don't try to mislead others here.

Second, his view is narrow and I explained why many times by broadening things for him. He doesn't see the big picture. He is a simple guy who says basic things, but is not deep or intellectual or complex or broad in his view. That is evident from his posts. That's just who he is. He is a tough street thug type of guy with brawns and not brains, and is not a refined type of guy. I don't know why some guys kiss ass for such types.

Third, I did not "bait" him. When I asked for advice about the stripper, I did NOT have AiB in mind. He does not comment in most threads so I was not expecting a bashing from him. The question was NOT directed at him. So how was I baiting him specifically? You aren't making sense and are just trying to falsely portray him as a victim.

Fourth, just because I ask for advice does not mean I have to agree with all advice given.

Fifth, just because I post a topic to get attention and hits doesn't mean that I deserve to be a punching bag. That is a common tactic in media. Nothing wrong with a little sensationalism, and mine was true too. I did not lie or misportray anything. So how am I at fault?

You sound like a troll making false accusations and trying to turn good and bad upside down as well as right and wrong.

I do not pick fights with people and I am as fair and reasonable as you can get. I am like a mirror. I give back what I get. It's not my fault that AiB is hypocritical in that he only wants to dish out criticism but can't take any. That's a sign of his immaturity and low EQ.

I challenge you to cite a solid example of when I've ever been unfair to anyone and never apologized. I'll bet you can't.

My friends will tell you that I'm one of the most credible and honest people they know. Ask WorldTraveler.

[Winston]

Ok I split these posts into a new thread because they did not belong in the thread that they were posted in.

Bitch Slapper, next time post your rants in the appropriate thread. This topic was not relevant to my rant about assholes in America.

[Bitch_Slapper]

Winston:

I don't have much time right now, so I'll only respond partially to your post.

Bitch Slapper,
Who the hell are you? Why don't you identify yourself? Are you AiB in disguise? Why do you care about him so much? Are you into guys who look like thugs? lol

This is the wrong thread for your complaints about me. You should have posted them elsewhere. I ought to split your post from this thread.

You are cherry picking and being selective in your quoting. First, that is NOT the only post where AiB bashed me. He posted MANY posts that were mean and nasty and unfair to me. You only cited one of MANY. Don't try to mislead others here.

Second, his view is narrow and I explained why many times by broadening things for him. He doesn't see the big picture. He is a simple guy who says basic things, but is not deep or intellectual or complex or broad in his view. That is evident from his posts. That's just who he is. He is a tough street thug type of guy with brawns and not brains, and is not a refined type of guy. I don't know why some guys kiss a** for such types.

Third, I did not "bait" him. When I asked for advice about the stripper, I did NOT have AiB in mind. He does not comment in most threads so I was not expecting a bashing from him. The question was NOT directed at him. So how was I baiting him specifically? You aren't making sense and are just trying to falsely portray him as a victim.

Fourth, just because I ask for advice does not mean I have to agree with all advice given.

Fifth, just because I post a topic to get attention and hits doesn't mean that I deserve to be a punching bag. That is a common tactic in media. Nothing wrong with a little sensationalism, and mine was true too. I did not lie or misportray anything. So how am I at fault?

You sound like a troll making false accusations and trying to turn good and bad upside down as well as right and wrong.

I do not pick fights with people and I am as fair and reasonable as you can get. I am like a mirror. I give back what I get. It's not my fault that AiB is hypocritical in that he only wants to dish out criticism but can't take any. That's a sign of his immaturity and low EQ.

I challenge you to cite a solid example of when I've ever been unfair to anyone and never apologized. I'll bet you can't.

My friends will tell you that I'm one of the most credible and honest people they know. Ask WorldTraveler.

1) Thanks for creating a new thread on this topic. My apologies. Next time I'll remember.

2) Well, I was going by the posts that were solely on that thread. Even if he was mean and nasty to you on other threads, it doesn't change the fact that you were still a major douche, and a real asshole on that stripper thread. And initially he didn't bash you. He was actually very helpful. He only started bashing you AFTER you started hurling un-called for insults at him, basically provoking him to punch you (e.g., the insults about his looks, his wife's looks, his ability to get laid, etc.).

Frankly, I don't see what being "narrow" has to do with anything. He encouraged you to pursue the stripper, because that's what he assumed you would want him to do. Think Winston: as long as you're hooking up with that stripper, what difference does it make if he's narrow or not?

But you're not hooking up with her, or even trying to, because you are a chickenshit. Hence, your silly claim about having a superior "big picture" atttiude -- which I suppose is some kind of consolation for your lack of results. I mean, has this "big picture" view gotten you closer to hooking up with your stripper friend? {<i>long silent pause</i>} No, I didn't think so either.

[Winston]

Bitch_Slapper,
You are cherry picking again. He did bash me in a lot of mean ways, and insulted me too. Even in that thread he did. He's been doing it for a long time. The guy is not exactly tactful. Some of the stuff he says was pretty vicious. I returned his own medicine to him.

The guy is a meathead and not refined. So he sometimes comes across as brusque and rough. He is not tactful. He was also quick to judge. The guy has a lot of character flaws, and he rubs people the wrong way. Not my kind of guy. He and I are like oil and water.

I don't know why you are placing the blame on me. That's not fair or logical. Why is it that in your book, he is allowed to hurl whatever insult and attack he wants at me, but I am not allowed to retaliate? How do you justify such a DOUBLE STANDARD?

Is it because in your subconscious mind, he is above me in that he looks like a thug and street fighter, whereas I look dopey and weak, so you are blind to his faults and respect him more and have a bias toward him?

Do you claim to be totally objective and unbiased on this?

Regardless, I strongly DISAGREE with your interpretation of events and do not see it that way. I see it as a retaliation against his behavior. And I see your judgment as a double standard. Let me know if I'm missing something.

Either way, I know for a fact that his attacks were not nice or constructive. Some of them were in error too, which I corrected.

I asked Monkro the other day why we are fighting over this silly drama when we are supposed to be a brotherhood of HAers here. He replied that it is very hard to get American guys to be like brothers. lol. I guess he is right.

As to why AiB was narrow, I explained it in great detail very clearly in that thread in my responses. If you can't understand what I said, then there's no point in retyping it because I was as clear as I possibly could be. Some of his opinions failed to take into account other factors, for example.

I am not in Carson City anymore. I am in the Bay Area now remember? So I can't go back there and try to hook up with that stripper. Regardless, I was happy to talk to her and consider the time with her to be quality time.

Also, I am a very romantic sentimental type of guy. And AiB is not that type of guy at all. So there's no way he can understand me or relate to me. Some people understand you with no explanation, whereas other people can never understand you no matter how many times you explain yourself. He was the latter type obviously. He and I just don't relate or get along.

Why do you need to assign fault here? If I'm at fault, then how come I don't have this kind of problem with my friends? You can ask many of my friends in real life and they will tell you that they never had the conflict with me that I had with AiB.

So you see, the fault isn't all on my side. Me and AiB just don't get along or jive well together.

Can you try to understand that?

Ask my friends Steve55, Rock, WorldTraveler, Falcon, or Ladislav, if we've ever clashed in a mean way like I did with AiB. No I haven't. I get along with MOST PEOPLE except for a few buttheads. That should tell you something.

So again, as I told AiB, I'm telling you now: Look at the big picture and also from my perspective please. Can you do that?

[Bitch_Slapper]

Bitch_Slapper,
You are cherry picking again. He did bash me in a lot of mean ways, and insulted me too. Even in that thread he did. He's been doing it for a long time. The guy is not exactly tactful. Some of the stuff he says was pretty vicious. I returned his own medicine to him.

Go back to the thread, and you will see that it was YOU who provoked his bashing. After the insults about his looks and his wife, not to mention your dumbass "narrow vs. big picture" argument, you should have expected to get bashed.

The guy is a meathead and not refined. So he sometimes comes across as brusque and rough. He is not tactful. He was also quick to judge. The guy has a lot of character flaws, and he rubs people the wrong way. Not my kind of guy. He and I are like oil and water.

Regardless, you were the one who provoked him into bashing you. He gave you the unvarnished truth, and you couldn't handle it. So like a bitch, you lashed out hurtfully.

I don't know why you are placing the blame on me. That's not fair or logical. Why is it that in your book, he is allowed to hurl whatever insult and attack he wants at me, but I am not allowed to retaliate? How do you justify such a DOUBLE STANDARD?

There is no double standard.

I'm placing the blame on you because YOU were the one who started the whole mess. And you're not being honest about it: he DIDN'T insult you until after you had bashed him. It was HE who retaliated against YOU. It's very fair and logical.

Is it because in your subconscious mind, he is above me in that he looks like a thug and street fighter, whereas I look dopey and weak, so you are blind to his faults and respect him more and have a bias toward him?

Will you cut the "woe is me, I'm such an innocent victim" bullshit???

Look: no one really cares what you look like -- it's your DEEDS that count.

For f*ck's sake, have a little self-respect, will you? Sheesh.

Do you claim to be totally objective and unbiased on this?

I don't have a dog in this fight, I don't know him, and I'm only judging based on what you two said to each other. So yes, I think I am being quite objective and unbiased. Had you acted on your original desires and pursued the stripper, very likely you would have failed, but at least you would have gotten credit for trying. But you didn't try. You ended up doing nothing -- just as many here thought.

You started a thread that, at a minimum, you knew would invite a hostile reaction. You knew you would receive advice, AND you knew you would do nothing in the end. So yes, you did bait AiB and others, especially because it is your standard practice to ask advice, receive it, and then lash out like a child at those who gave you the advice.

Regardless, I strongly DISAGREE with your interpretation of events and do not see it that way. I see it as a retaliation against his behavior. And I see your judgment as a double standard. Let me know if I'm missing something.

Yes, you ARE missing something: the fact that he initially did NOT bash you, but was trying to be helpful.

Either way, I know for a fact that his attacks were not nice or constructive. Some of them were in error too, which I corrected.

I asked Monkro the other day why we are fighting over this silly drama when we are supposed to be a brotherhood of HAers here. He replied that it is very hard to get American guys to be like brothers. lol. I guess he is right.

As to why AiB was narrow, I explained it in great detail very clearly in that thread in my responses. If you can't understand what I said, then there's no point in retyping it because I was as clear as I possibly could be. Some of his opinions failed to take into account other factors, for example.

It's not that I don't understand. I just don't care -- and neither should you.

First, I saw nothing he said that was particularly narrow. Second, you did not show that his so-called "narrow-minded" views were invalid in your particular situation.

And third, even he was narrow, it's TOTALLY irrelevant. He gave you a realistic assessment about your chances. But otherwise, he encouraged you to see that stripper, without bullying or judgment. You seem to be (conveniently) ignoring that key fact.

I am not in Carson City anymore. I am in the Bay Area now remember? So I can't go back there and try to hook up with that stripper.

Yes, how convenient. You bailed, and now you don't have to put up or shut up.

Somewhat similar to what you did in the PI: you found out Dianne was a pain in the ass. She was preventing you from banging other bargirls. But you couldn't do anything because you both had a kid together, which she used as a kind of hostage. Then you realized you didn't want to be a father after all. So you bailed, and abandoned both. Which led some to ask why you didn't just do that in the first place, but instead jerked everyone around, and wasted everyone's time asking for advice on what to do.

Regardless, I was happy to talk to her and consider the time with her to be quality time.

IOW, you were just another chump, like countless others who haven't yet realized they should leave America to find better women.

Also, I am a very romantic sentimental type of guy. And AiB is not that type of guy at all. So there's no way he can understand me or relate to me. Some people understand you with no explanation, whereas other people can never understand you no matter how many times you explain yourself. He was the latter type obviously. He and I just don't relate or get along.

So what? He wasn't advising you to do anything that would compromise who you are. He was merely encouraging you to pursue this friend of yours. And anyway, you don't have to really relate to anyone to give good advice.

Why do you need to assign fault here? If I'm at fault, then how come I don't have this kind of problem with my friends? You can ask many of my friends in real life and they will tell you that they never had the conflict with me that I had with AiB.

Wu, I'll let you in on something: generally, your friends are the LAST people to give you an honest, objective, unsentimental portrait of who you are.

Your friends see the same thing your non-friends do, except that they don't tell you what they really think, because they try not to hurt your feelings. Not that your non-friends try to either, but frankly, your behavior is so spectacularly reckless and self-centered, that it would take a very unusual and special kind of person to be your friend -- or just restrain himself from mocking you.

So you see, the fault isn't all on my side. Me and AiB just don't get along or jive well together.

Can you try to understand that?

1) The fault WAS all on your side. You started a dumb thread that (by your own admission) you knew would invite flaming and ridicule.

2) Yes, I can understand that you and he don't get along, but it's totally irrelevant. The only question was whether his advice was sound or not. You bypassed this question totally, and attacked him personally.

Ask my friends Steve55, Rock, WorldTraveler, Falcon, or Ladislav, if we've ever clashed in a mean way like I did with AiB. No I haven't. I get along with MOST PEOPLE except for a few buttheads. That should tell you something.

Who cares? I'd rather find out from your NON-friends, maybe even those buttheads, what they think. Chances are, I'd get a more honest picture of who you really are.

So again, as I told AiB, I'm telling you now: Look at the big picture and also from my perspective please. Can you do that?

I have. And you're still not sympathetic. You do this all the time, and you never learn. If you want to hook up with a girl, then do it, and stop worrying about failing. And if you don't want advice, then don't ask for it.

[HouseMD]

[aozora13]

Translation to image: This is going to be good (referring to heated discussion between Winston and Bitch_Slapper)

B_S makes good points. America is a bad place to date much less have fun. There are too many hoops to jump through. Social gatherings beyond school (university) is poor to find a suitable girlfriend much less a wife. There have been many members (past and current) who have decided to try to live in an environment where you do not have to go to a stripper in order to have fun and to experience cold 'women' which is common in North America; especially the US where unfortunately most of the members of HA are located. I am in the same boat with dating and traveling. Women in the US are bad choices for girlfriends and wives. Winston by all accounts should leave the US and go back to Southeast Asia. I know his health is a big factor in traveling but from hearing accounts from guys of all ethnic groups, Filipino girls are less judging and they are usually sweeter and some like to be a good wife (and if you want a good mother for future offspring).

I am not sure of this long discussion between AiB and Winston but I believe that Winston should not have suggested trying to meet a stripper in the first place.

[Winston]

Bitch_Slapper,

I think I know who you are. Your writing style gives you away and is one I've known for years. I wish you came to this forum honestly with who you are, without pretending to be some anonymous person.

The fallacy in your last post is that you keep assuming that the fight between me and AiB began in that thread about the stripper. It did not. It began long before in other threads. If you read them, you'd see that he started it long ago. I was just continuing the feud in that stripper thread.

See the thread about me and Steve's seminar in Las Vegas, and you'll see AiB's ugly colors come out as the aggressor.

viewtopic.php?t=19611

By not finding out how the feud started, you are also being "narrow" as well, and not seeing the big picture.

Also, it is NOT true that your enemies are more honest about you. It depends on the enemy and why they are your enemy. Enemies who are just bullies, hecklers and trolls, often LIE and DECEIVE. They will tell lies and false statements about you to try to bring you down. We all know this and have experienced it. For example, my former arch enemy Dave Fuller told many LIES about me and repeated them long after they were corrected. Are liars more credible to you than quality friends? WTF? Are your values upside down in bizarro world?

The danger is that people often believe lies because they tend to believe the worst about others. So any lie said about you is assumed to be true. That's dangerous.

So you are wrong that enemies are more truthful than friends are. Your logic is really bad here. Are you saying that lies told about me are more revealing? Do you live in a bizarro world where lies are truths and truths are lies? lol

Most of my friends do not hide their feelings or sugar coat what they think about me. They are freethinkers and do not hide what they think. I do not make friends with people who act nice to your face and then backstab you. I have a good vibe and radiate a kind soul, so they appreciate that about me. That's the truth. My friends have criticized me when they felt it was necessary.

Only a misanthrope like you imagines that deep down, all our friends hate us and don't want to tell us the truth. Just because you hate everyone and see the worst in others, doesn't mean others do as well. Some people have a more BALANCED view of people than you do. You seem to have a need to vilify the wrong person.

[bones765]

lol on this thread.

[Bitch_Slapper]

I honestly didn't see any "ugly colors" or aggression. I think he made some valid points which were meant to be constructive and helpful. Such as the fact that neither you nor Steve R are living abroad, and that Steve R was in Thailand for only 2 weeks, which is too short a time on the ground. Or that a Thai girl's flirtatious behavior isn't meant to be more than just fun. You take innocuous gestures like flirting way too seriously Winston, which may explain your exaggerated accounts of romantic success in Russia.

You really have to stop being overly sensitive to constructive criticism, Winston. As others have pointed out, all you're offering is information that men can easily look up on the web for free. Others were saying pretty much the same as he did, so I'm not sure why you singled him out in particular for bashing.

You seem to think that anyone with an opposing view is narrow. I too might examine his claims of success with American women. OTOH he may very well have been successful with American women, and I don't doubt that many other men of a certain type are successful too. That doesn't necessarily make him narrow. He just has a differing viewpoint. You're entitled to disagree with him and explain your reasons, but attacking AiB's credibility was just brazen in its rudeness -- this was asshole behavior, yes?

Anyway, I didn't think he was obfuscating at all. On the contrary, he was trying to sharpen your idea which is still vague, incomplete, and offers little.

Once again, you make personal attacks, and insult people who merely disagree with you. Based on your behavior on that thread, I'm afraid it was you, Winston, who was narrow and not open-minded.

[zboy1]

Not to defend Winston (I'm not) and his foolish and temperamental behavior, but AIB did threaten and curse-out other people besides Winston, too. I like AIB very much--and I want him to stay on this forum--but his temper and attitude did rub a lot of people the wrong way....

I tried to tell him to 'tone-it down' many times, but he wouldn't listen. ...

[Winston]

I honestly didn't see any "ugly colors" or aggression. I think he made some valid points which were meant to be constructive and helpful. Such as the fact that neither you nor Steve R are living abroad, and that Steve R was in Thailand for only 2 weeks, which is too short a time on the ground. Or that a Thai girl's flirtatious behavior isn't meant to be more than just fun. You take innocuous gestures like flirting way too seriously Winston, which may explain your exaggerated accounts of romantic success in Russia.

You really have to stop being overly sensitive to constructive criticism, Winston. As others have pointed out, all you're offering is information that men can easily look up on the web for free. Others were saying pretty much the same as he did, so I'm not sure why you singled him out in particular for bashing.

You seem to think that anyone with an opposing view is narrow. I too might examine his claims of success with American women. OTOH he may very well have been successful with American women, and I don't doubt that many other men of a certain type are successful too. That doesn't necessarily make him narrow. He just has a differing viewpoint. You're entitled to disagree with him and explain your reasons, but attacking AiB's credibility was just brazen in its rudeness -- this was asshole behavior, yes?

Anyway, I didn't think he was obfuscating at all. On the contrary, he was trying to sharpen your idea which is still vague, incomplete, and offers little.

Once again, you make personal attacks, and insult people who merely disagree with you. Based on your behavior on that thread, I'm afraid it was you, Winston, who was narrow and not open-minded.

He threw insults at me, tried to debunk my facts with one liners, acting as if he was God, etc. He called Steve R a fraud without any proof too.

He claimed that women being approachable meant nothing. That's not true. Me finding out that women were approachable overseas CHANGED MY LIFE AND MADE ME REBORN AGAIN! It's one of the pillars of this movement. So who is he to say that it means nothing? What authority does he have? Is he God? Why does he act like a know it all? Why aren't you turned off by that? People like humility. He had none.

Why do you act like he is blameless? Are you AiB in disguise? How can one guy be so biased? You act like he is a princess who did no wrong. That is suspicious and strange. If you were unbiased, you would point out his faults too. But you aren't. I guess you worship men who look like thugs huh?

So every lie that AiB makes is true and constructive? What do you mean I'm not living abroad. Where do you get that? I NEVER told you that. Why do you believe every lie you hear? I've been living abroad since 2006. So just because I come back to the US on vacation, that means I'm not living abroad? You use that as a technicality to try to discredit me and claim that I'm not living abroad? Geez. Do you know what the word "reasonable" means? Or are you a troll as we suspected?

So I'm not allowed to take a vacation in the US, otherwise I'm discredited for not living abroad? Dude, that's stupid. Are you sure you aren't a troll with an agenda? You don't sound fair or reasonable at all.

Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.

So to you, anything AiB says is automatically true? If he says that the sun revolves around the earth, then it's true too? lol

Again, you are missing the fact that he threw insults at me first. He spoke lies too, such as that I'm not living abroad.

I love flirtation with women. It means a lot to me. Who are you or AiB to say that it means nothing? That is YOUR opinion. You should not cite them as facts. I am a casanova and flirting makes me feel alive. So it means A LOT to me to be able to flirt anytime I want to. Who are you or AiB to try to invalidate that?

I am not offering info that people can look up for free. By saying false things, you are destroying your own credibility. Many of my articles are unique. Such as my "15 benefits of foreign women" article, my four point comparison, or the one about why freethinkers will be happier in Europe. There is no question my material is very unique. So why are you lying again?

You know, lying is a basis for being banned again. Zboy already banned you once. Can you stop making false statements? You clearly are NOT unbiased. Your words are NOT unbiased at all. So for you to claim that you are unbiased, is another lie.

Like Zboy thought, you are likely a troll. Your actions reflect it. You are trying to paint a false image and not listening to me, and cherry picking. AiB threw lots of insults. You simply chose to ignore them.

I was not violent toward him. I was cold and calculating in trying to show him that he does not have the right to act like a know it all authority with a big ego, and doesn't have the goods or substance to back it up. It was my objective opinion. But I had nothing personal against him. His ego was simply too big and out of proportion for what he was. And I called him out on it. I did not know he would take it so personally.

If he had been more humble and modest, like the Thai people around him, we would have gotten along better.

I don't think we did anything wrong to him. Neither did the moderator Zboy1. So the problem must be on his end. Use your common sense.

So the point is, he should not have come here with a big ego or macho know it all attitude. It simply wasn't justified.

Yes he was narrow minded. He made quick judgments without taking into account contrary data. His arguments were simple and not reflective of the complexities of life or human nature. He is not a deep or intellectual guy. So that's to be expected of him. He's a simple guy with simple observations. You can't expect more from him. You must be a terrible judge of character.

Answer this: If you like his brutally honest truth, then what was wrong with my brutally honest truth? I was brutally honest about the reasons why he was likely NOT the ladies man he claimed. So why is it ok for him to be brutally honest about his observations, but it's not ok for me to? Can you explain that double standard? Or do you admit that you are biased for illogical reasons?

Did you see his donation page? He claimed that his videos cost THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to produce. That obviously is a bald faced lie. Anyone can see that his videos didn't cost thousands of dollars to make. Even Banano could see that. Why can't you? I thought you were smart. Is lying ok in your book? Are you saying that you believe him that it costs thousands of dollars to make his videos? lol. If so, you are truly lost like a religious fanatic and have no ability to reason.

Finally, AiB made butthead statements against obvious facts that we all agree upon. For example, I said that AW do not like being approached by strangers. We all agree on that here. But AiB says I'm wrong because he can approach AW. So his one statement debunks my many years of experience, and that of everyone else here too? lol. Yeah right. Do you buy that? And when I said that in restaurants in America, I don't see anyone else eating alone, he said that I was wrong because he is an American who eats alone. So that makes me wrong? lol. Do you agree with that? How does his one line dismissal invalidate my real life experiences? It doesn't. So he is a delusional butthead.

When I was at restaurants with Rock and Monkro in the Bay Area, I told them to look around and see if they could see anyone eating alone. They could not find anyone eating alone in the restaurant. They agreed with me that people in the US do not go to restaurants to eat alone. So even they could see that I was right and AiB was wrong. So what right did AiB have to say that everyone was wrong on this? I know what I see. So who is AiB to tell me that I didn't see what I see? Can you explain that?

Do you think everything a thug says must be true? Do you worship them?

The guy is huge and wide and heavyset. Why does no one tell him to lose weight? Because thugs get respect here and nice guys don't? Is this the animal kingdom? lol

I would appreciate it if you answered my questions above and not repeat the same drivel. Thanks.

[Bitch_Slapper]

Winston:

It would help if you actually LISTENED, then I wouldn't have to spend time repeating myself. I don't have much time again, so I'm only going to respond to certain points (I'll try to finish my response in later posts):

Turns out AiB wasn't far off the mark about Steve R, was he? "Tried to debunk my facts with one liners"? How exactly did he do that? He was raising good questions about your idea. You're more intolerant to direct challenges to your ideas than you think, Winston. And let's face it: your idea wasn't that solid.

He claimed that women being approachable meant nothing. That's not true. Me finding out that women were approachable overseas CHANGED MY LIFE AND MADE ME REBORN AGAIN! It's one of the pillars of this movement. So who is he to say that it means nothing? What authority does he have? Is he God? Why does he act like a know it all? Why aren't you turned off by that? People like humility. He had none.

Now you're exaggerating. He didn't mean that it meant nothing. He meant that it mattered little, and shouldn't be taken seriously IF you are not hooking up with her.

I've met approachable women both overseas and in the US. Guess what? It means nothing unless and until you actually get intimate with her. You see, Winston, approachability is only the FIRST step. Most guys want and expect more than just a friendly, polite gesture from women. Because a woman can be flirtatious and friendly, and still jerk your chain. And most guys don't want that. You seem not to understand this, Winston. But then, you've always seemed like a desperately, starving dog salivating for just the mere prospects of table scraps. Hell, you even delighted in Russian girls SCAMMING you out of hundreds of dollars simply because they were flirting with you!

No, he's not God, and he didn't act like a know it all either. He certainly does know a lot, and he's a straight-shooter, which you seem to be overly-sensitive about. If you had been more objective and less emotional, you'd see that he wasn't really obnoxious -- and you also wouldn't have written the tedious, long, repetitive response that I'm responding to right now.

So every lie that AiB makes is true and constructive? What do you mean I'm not living abroad. Where do you get that? I NEVER told you that. Why do you believe every lie you hear? I've been living abroad since 2006. So just because I come back to the US on vacation, that means I'm not living abroad? You use that as a technicality to try to discredit me and claim that I'm not living abroad? Geez. Do you know what the word "reasonable" means? Or are you a troll as we suspected?

What lies did he tell? At least he's not lying about living abroad -- UNLIKE YOU. You are NOT living abroad. You have been living in the US for almost the past year now. But even when you were living abroad in Taiwan, you might as well have been back in the US because you were getting nowhere with girls.

And the strange thing was: China was right next door! There were TONS of approachable, pretty women there! You could have easily flown there. But you were too lazy and stupid to do even THAT! All you did was bitch and moan about how cold and unapproachable Taiwanese girls were! GO FIGURE.

Sorry, gotta run -- will finish up later.