I suppose this is a sort of rant (not sure where in the forum to put this, so here will do).
Here goes:
Sure, many bold guys can just go and approach any female, but for the other guys, I think things make a lot more sense in these other countries we talk about.
Naturally it makes a lot more sense that if you see a girl and she is outright smiling right at you, flirting, presenting so many signs of interest, that you know not only that it's safe to approach, but that she's also interested in you so any fears of possible rejection are much lowered, to non-existent.
So you go right up to her.
It's been said over and over, for men wherever in the world, they need to do the approach. Fine. Although some might like to not have to do the initial work, this does show to be a more or less universal truth.
Therefore, in line with this ideology, you have many guys in the US, Canada, Australia, parts of Europe for example tell you:
"Dude, grow a pair! You need to be going up to these girls more! That's why you're not succeeding here. What's wrong wussie? You can't approach a woman?"
I think for rest of the guys that are not super alpha male or just playing the numbers game, it's not an issue of not being able to approach women, but rather an issue of the females not showing interested signals from the beginning or in return, even when they actually are interested.
We probably already know cases, and I do myself, where later (and too late) it was found out the girl (such as in the US, Canada, etc) was actually interested but didn't want to show it!
One may ask, why would a woman not want to show interest? In some other countries, they just go with their natural instincts, show the interest and this therefore helps the guy along in knowing he can then approach. It's all so much more natural.
But in places, like many western places actually, the woman's reasoning for this sort of game can be many. I don't really know. Maybe it's a pride thing. They don't want to come off the pedestal. Maybe they want the man to prove their interest, or see if he is interested in them first. Maybe the girl doesn't want to come across as too loose.
Who knows. What I do know is that it is a sort of block to the whole flow.
As many here know already, you go to these other countries, the girl smiles at you, plays with her hair, giggles, just makes it so obvious she is interested. What guy then would hesitate to approach? Almost no guy. Not even the dorkiest, insecure guy.
You don't need to "grow a pair". Or need all this PUA confidence stuff.
It takes two to tango as they say. Well, a good deal of the problems for those guys who are single in some western lands is that the girls are fouling up their dance steps, or simply not dancing along at all, even at times when they want to!
Some might say, if you want something of higher value, you have to work harder to get it. Not really sure what to say about that one.
I'm sure we've heard all sorts of arguments.
Maybe the expat guys could have continued to work and work and work for their dream lady in their homelands, all the while continue to go without and possibly without completely in the end.
So instead, they left and in reality, are actually with nice women, maybe not their dream types, but at least they're out there being with something vs nothing.
Because we've also heard the arguments, you're not trying hard enough and you're just taking the easy road out. Fine, maybe it is easier (in ways, it should be easier), but that harder road could be more risky and have you facing going without and to a dead end.
Maybe it could be compared to being hungry and walking a quiet country road, right there, is a burger joint. You know it's not the best meal, but it's something. You could continue on the road thinking there must be some sort of house eventually where you could get a nice home cooked meal.
But you know in these present days and this area, that less and less people open their doors to strangers. You've been walking too long already and really can't afford risking more time. You could walk further, but high chances the house could be far, and high chances they won't be home or won't let you in. You could starve to death.
Weighing it all out, you have some who take the burger. It's something. Not really just settling, but weighing out the options, and you still get full enough and it doesn't taste so bad. Better than starving to death.
Possibly not the best analogy, but it shows some of the points.
I'm sure most of the guys had/have dreams of that right girl, their ideal type, but things in life just happened and it didn't go that way. Environment also played a role in shaping the outcomes (i.e. the rough US., etc. environment for some guys). They saw the reality in things and decided to take action and at least went for the burger.
There are obviously guys out there who have made it to the home cooked meal. Who knows why it worked for them, outside of just skill (many single and expat guys have skills too - so it's not just a skill thing).
There's a storm that has been raging in the U.S., Canada, and other western lands, maybe just some guys have been snagged up by it, victims, regardless of whether or not they had the skills, were good guys, etc.
It's near impossible to say why in a storm, some get hit and others don't, why the sun is in some spots and not in others. Or in a war, why some of the best soldiers die, and others don't. Some people regardless of their niceness, skill, general success, etc. simply get slammed, casualties of a storm, war, etc.
Some of those victims continue to lay down, while others have gotten up and out of the stormy area. While others remain, actually doing ok. Who really can figure it all out.
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Any guy who has a lot of experience with approaching women and traveling in different countries knows that a girl who is approachable gives off a completely different vibe than one that doesn't.
If a girl doesn't want to talk to you, even before you see her body language, you know that it's inappropriate. Their fears and creeped out emotions are in their vibes, which rubs off on you, make you feel it as well.
When you go to different countries, you can see this and feel it. Instincts tend to be right.
If a girl doesn't want to talk to you, even before you see her body language, you know that it's inappropriate. Their fears and creeped out emotions are in their vibes, which rubs off on you, make you feel it as well.
When you go to different countries, you can see this and feel it. Instincts tend to be right.
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The meat of my post was that in several western countries, even with experience and instinct, you can be still left with some second-guessing of their interest due to their interest not being as apparent AS COMPARED TO several other non-western countries for example.
Many of us here already know that in several other countries, the interest from the women is almost 100% apparent and you really have no second-guessing to approach.
That was my point. Therefore, you don't need more confidence or even need to rely on experience or gut instinct.
The post was catered more towards newbies. I have plenty of experience. Experience obviously can be wonderful, but it's not always needed.
Crude example, but an American guy stuck in a cubicle during the day, and playing PC games at night for years, no experience, could go to these other countries, walk around for a few days, have some girls interested in him (the non-working type), SHOW that in the form of very obvious smiling, basic flirting, waving, etc., that almost even a two year old would pick up on, and therefore he would of course go up to her. Verses if he went to Canada, France, Holland, Switzerland, etc.. A girl may be interested in him, but for some of the reasons I listed in the opening post, would not show it, or would not as apparently show it like the girls in the other lands, and he would certainly hesitate approaching. Even if his gut said "I think she might like me." He would still second-guess.
That's all I was mentioning.
Overall, it just helps make things easier and flow better, when the female shows her interest more apparent.
One of the top reasons I've heard in regards to the female's holding back of their interest (mostly in many western countries), is that if they are "high quality", they know they can get all sorts of "high quality" men, so you have to prove how much you want them, how courageous you are by going up to them if when they don't show clear interest - even if they are interested, they would rather risk losing you if you are not courageous enough, and just wait for the other guy to come along who will approach. In other words, their interest in you particularly I suppose is not so serious.
There seems to be some truth to this, and also that innate biological thing of the courageous/bold man protecting the family.
Either way though, if you're the type who is up for the hoops to jump through, the games, to get the "quality girl", then fine.
Other guys prefer not to and instead, go to places where interest in them is more apparent, overall less time, money and energy is spent and they still hook up. Some people call them losers, cowards, lazy, impatient, whatever, but they still get action and are living life. Maybe in others eyes, not "high quality" action, but still, action. While some guys continue to go without shooting for the "high quality" or continue to deal with all sorts of games, stresses, financial loss, life loss, sexless nights, etc.
Many of us here already know that in several other countries, the interest from the women is almost 100% apparent and you really have no second-guessing to approach.
That was my point. Therefore, you don't need more confidence or even need to rely on experience or gut instinct.
The post was catered more towards newbies. I have plenty of experience. Experience obviously can be wonderful, but it's not always needed.
Crude example, but an American guy stuck in a cubicle during the day, and playing PC games at night for years, no experience, could go to these other countries, walk around for a few days, have some girls interested in him (the non-working type), SHOW that in the form of very obvious smiling, basic flirting, waving, etc., that almost even a two year old would pick up on, and therefore he would of course go up to her. Verses if he went to Canada, France, Holland, Switzerland, etc.. A girl may be interested in him, but for some of the reasons I listed in the opening post, would not show it, or would not as apparently show it like the girls in the other lands, and he would certainly hesitate approaching. Even if his gut said "I think she might like me." He would still second-guess.
That's all I was mentioning.
Overall, it just helps make things easier and flow better, when the female shows her interest more apparent.
One of the top reasons I've heard in regards to the female's holding back of their interest (mostly in many western countries), is that if they are "high quality", they know they can get all sorts of "high quality" men, so you have to prove how much you want them, how courageous you are by going up to them if when they don't show clear interest - even if they are interested, they would rather risk losing you if you are not courageous enough, and just wait for the other guy to come along who will approach. In other words, their interest in you particularly I suppose is not so serious.
There seems to be some truth to this, and also that innate biological thing of the courageous/bold man protecting the family.
Either way though, if you're the type who is up for the hoops to jump through, the games, to get the "quality girl", then fine.
Other guys prefer not to and instead, go to places where interest in them is more apparent, overall less time, money and energy is spent and they still hook up. Some people call them losers, cowards, lazy, impatient, whatever, but they still get action and are living life. Maybe in others eyes, not "high quality" action, but still, action. While some guys continue to go without shooting for the "high quality" or continue to deal with all sorts of games, stresses, financial loss, life loss, sexless nights, etc.
This is great and right on the money! In some countries (like in South America, eastern Europe, Russia and the Philippines) the women MAKE THEIR INTEREST KNOWN to the guy very easily! These women actually FLIRT with men and smile and make eye contact with men. Now in other countries (like the US, Canada, Great Britain) the women DO NOT flirt with men. The women in these countries IGNORE MEN and don't even make eye contact with men!Free wrote:Many of us here already know that in several other countries, the interest from the women is almost 100% apparent and you really have no second-guessing to approach.
That was my point. Therefore, you don't need more confidence or even need to rely on experience or gut instinct.
Crude example, but an American guy stuck in a cubicle during the day, and playing PC games at night for years, no experience, could go to these other countries, walk around for a few days, have some girls interested in him (the non-working type), SHOW that in the form of very obvious smiling, basic flirting, waving, etc., that almost even a two year old would pick up on, and therefore he would of course go up to her. Verses if he went to Canada, France, Holland, Switzerland, etc.. A girl may be interested in him, but for some of the reasons I listed in the opening post, would not show it, or would not as apparently show it like the girls in the other lands, and he would certainly hesitate approaching. Even if his gut said "I think she might like me." He would still second-guess.
Overall, it just helps make things easier and flow better, when the female shows her interest more apparent.
It would be a HELL OF LOT EASIER to meet women if THEY MADE THEIR INTEREST KNOW TO MEN (like flirting). Of course, in the US, men feel they don't exist in the eyes of women because the women IGNORE men. This is not the best country to live in if your trying to meet women! lol
Even if a girl doesn't look at you or flirt with you or smile at you directly, her BODY LANGUAGE still connotates whether she's open to being approached or not. There is a big difference between a relaxed open vibe vs. an uptight paranoid antisocial one. Her energy field is very different, as well as her posture and relaxness of her face.
With experience you will be able to spot this right away.
With experience you will be able to spot this right away.
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I notice when women flirt in the USA, it comes in three forms:
1. Is the deep eye contact where they are eye f***ing you.
2. Is the "fish eye" where they look away each time you look at them and back when you look away (very childish and weak IMO).
3. Either one of the above with the hair flip.
It is hard to describe the flirting in eastern Europe and south America, but I know it when I see it. It is more about women smiling, while looking down in a more submissive way. It doesnt consist of attention whoring, hair flipping, eye f***ing, or playing the fish eye game. Sometimes they may giggle.
Basically the American women have become neutered and lost all femininity. Besides that, they dont flirt to initiate relationships. They just flirt for attention and ego validation. If you want a relationship with an AW, you need to have an introduction by a mutual friend or hit Match.com (that accounts for how 90% of how USA relationships are initiated). Of the other 10%, I would assume that comes down to being in proximity for long periods of time, such as work, apartment complexes, etc. Certainly not random one-time sightings with intense flirting. That would be a waste of time with AWs.
1. Is the deep eye contact where they are eye f***ing you.
2. Is the "fish eye" where they look away each time you look at them and back when you look away (very childish and weak IMO).
3. Either one of the above with the hair flip.
It is hard to describe the flirting in eastern Europe and south America, but I know it when I see it. It is more about women smiling, while looking down in a more submissive way. It doesnt consist of attention whoring, hair flipping, eye f***ing, or playing the fish eye game. Sometimes they may giggle.
Basically the American women have become neutered and lost all femininity. Besides that, they dont flirt to initiate relationships. They just flirt for attention and ego validation. If you want a relationship with an AW, you need to have an introduction by a mutual friend or hit Match.com (that accounts for how 90% of how USA relationships are initiated). Of the other 10%, I would assume that comes down to being in proximity for long periods of time, such as work, apartment complexes, etc. Certainly not random one-time sightings with intense flirting. That would be a waste of time with AWs.
That certainly sounds logical. However, women are not logical. So this doesnt hold true with regards to chasing after women.Some might say, if you want something of higher value, you have to work harder to get it. Not really sure what to say about that one.
The problem is English speaking women arent living up to their half of the bargain. They dont even believe in sending out true signals. And if they do send them out, they reserve the right to revoke them at any point in time.
This leaves men guessing certainly. Going back to this line: "...if you want something of higher value, you have to work harder to get it " that just turns men into groveling dogs. Literally.
When women dont follow the rules, men have to go over and above (without complaint) and deal with this insane system which has no rules. This means that no matter what the woman's decision, the man must sway and go with it. The man becomes a lap dog. Men become desperate.
Ironically, the worse the system is for men, the more they will defend it, just like a kidnapping victim who has Stockholm sydrome. Actually this has been proven with studies of Marine recruits. The harder you work for something and the mroe abuse you endure, the more committed to it you will be after it is all done. Deep down the mind needs to believe you went through all that abuse for a reason. A darn good reason.
This also means that when you turn your back, your best friend will be after your girl. Men are hard up here.
Then women will complain that men are after the chase or only want sex.
Nope. It is that you dumb women are culturally and psychologically f***ed up and completely unfeminine. You have become such feminists that you have either blocked out or lost all femininity and you dont know how to behave beyond what you see in the stupid soap operas. So everything becomes designed to either validate the female ego, or the give you that drama fix.
This is true! Women from anglo-countries do not flirt with men or show any interest in men. Men are supposed to "guess" to whether or not a woman is interested in him.Adama wrote:The problem is English speaking women arent living up to their half of the bargain. They dont even believe in sending out true signals. And if they do send them out, they reserve the right to revoke them at any point in time.
This leaves men guessing certainly, that just turns men into groveling dogs. Literally.
When women dont follow the rules, men have to go over and above (without complaint) and deal with this insane system which has no rules. This means that no matter what the woman's decision, the man must sway and go with it. The man becomes a lap dog. Men become desperate.
This also means that when you turn your back, your best friend will be after your girl. Men are hard up here.
Then women will complain that men are after the chase or only want sex.
Nope. It is that you dumb women are culturally and psychologically f***ed up and completely unfeminine. You have become such feminists that you have either blocked out or lost all femininity and you dont know how to behave beyond what you see in the stupid soap operas. So everything becomes designed to either validate the female ego, or the give you that drama fix.
A survey was done that showed out of 200 countries, American women are the second least flirtatious women in the world!
It's unbelievable how unfriendly and anti-social women from anglo-countries are! Just ask Winston, when he was living in the US he said he approched hundreds of women and rejected almost every time!
American women give off that vibe that says, "don't talk to me" or "I am not interested in you." Like Winston has said in the past, when you approach a woman in America, a "paranoid" look surfaces on their face.
In America you only met women through your friends or family members. You do not meet women by chance at bookstores, grocery stores or on a bus or train.
"When I think about the idea of getting involved with an American woman, I don't know if I should laugh .............. or vomit!"
"Trying to meet women in America is like trying to decipher Egyptian hieroglyphics."
"Trying to meet women in America is like trying to decipher Egyptian hieroglyphics."
This is very true, american women are the second least flirtatious women in the world. Most don't even make eye contact with men. They avoid men when they are out in public.Adama wrote:Basically the American women have become neutered and lost all femininity. Besides that, they dont flirt to initiate relationships. They just flirt for attention and ego validation. If you want a relationship with an AW, you need to have an introduction by a mutual friend.
It's true that if you want to meet a woman in america, you need to be introduced to her by a mutual friend. It's almost impossible to meet women on your own in the US.
"When I think about the idea of getting involved with an American woman, I don't know if I should laugh .............. or vomit!"
"Trying to meet women in America is like trying to decipher Egyptian hieroglyphics."
"Trying to meet women in America is like trying to decipher Egyptian hieroglyphics."
And allow me to guess, even though I have never been to America myself....in order for me to be introduced by that other woman to the person of interest, I need to be able to pass her own 'boyfriend material' test and forgo her own cockblocking tendencies and feelings of jealousy. In other words, unless I'm extremely lucky, I'll be so f***ed.
Yes, that is how men meet women in the USA, through introductions by friends or family members. Trying to meet women in America is like trying to decipher Egyptian hieroglyphics!Rayn wrote:And allow me to guess, even though I have never been to America myself....in order for me to be introduced by that other woman to the person of interest, I need to be able to pass her own 'boyfriend material' test and forgo her own cockblocking tendencies and feelings of jealousy. In other words, unless I'm extremely lucky, I'll be so f***ed.
Women will also throw "tests" at you when you first meet them, to see if you stand up to her as a "potential boyfriend." If you don't pass those tests you are SOL (s-hit out of luck) and need to move on to the next girl.
"When I think about the idea of getting involved with an American woman, I don't know if I should laugh .............. or vomit!"
"Trying to meet women in America is like trying to decipher Egyptian hieroglyphics."
"Trying to meet women in America is like trying to decipher Egyptian hieroglyphics."
A girl's body language will tell you whether she's approachable or not. There is a big difference between a defensive guarded body language and a relaxed one. You can see it without even talking to them.
Or you can test it by saying to them "Excuse me miss" and see how she reacts - defensive or relaxed. Or you can try to make eye contact and see if she looks at you with a relaxed friendly face, or a "What is that creep looking at?" type of attitude.
Animals can sense friendliness, so why can't you?
Or you can test it by saying to them "Excuse me miss" and see how she reacts - defensive or relaxed. Or you can try to make eye contact and see if she looks at you with a relaxed friendly face, or a "What is that creep looking at?" type of attitude.
Animals can sense friendliness, so why can't you?
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Personally I'd have no problem approaching again and again and disregarding the crappy responses and waiting to see when a good one comes up. Except for one thing, which is that it's very disturbing to be rejected rudely (not the rejection itself, so much, but the rudeness), especially the prospect of it happening repeatedly. My instinct would be to get angry and become sarcastic and bitchy, and try to get one over on them / teach them a lesson / become cocky, which although they would deserve it, it's very draining. Or, even if I wasn't to respond that way, it would still be disturbing and unpleasant. That's why I don't bother. If it wasn't going to be that harsh, I'd probably try it one of these days.
God, hearing all this rings true. Cunts show interest and you pursue, they claim you as a creep and stalker. You have higher worth than them, they think lowly of you still, cause they have a vagina. Supposed friends say you need a girl, but won't introduce you to girls they know. I pursue women, but got labeled as a creep and once a rape charge (even though I never touched her.) People say, oh your shy and not out going. Bullshit, when you been shoot down, charged and labeled as a villian, than say that shit to my face. To this day, I really can't do shit cause of this p***y country. The only time I can act myself is with other guys, with no cunts around.
Girls and manginas in western society are insane, why get yourself involve with them? You speak the truth or have different views in life, they instantly see you as a crazed madman.
Girls and manginas in western society are insane, why get yourself involve with them? You speak the truth or have different views in life, they instantly see you as a crazed madman.
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