I am slowly catching up with your old exchange with PD on this topic and I also have the little info PD gave me about this.
Again, I can't talk for him and can only give you my opinion, as a European citizen who has lived or visited several Euro countries. Malta is technically not part of Europe but it gravitates around the European cultural sphere.
When you were in Russia, as you say, it was more than a decade ago and times were different, both for Russia and Europe. As you might have read on the press, most European countries right now are squashed between a financial crisis and a migrant crisis, which is effectively an identity crisis. The countries who are the most reluctant to welcome more migrants from Africa and the Middle East, like Poland and Hungary, are the one doing comparatively better. Maybe not a coincidence.
Now, the effect of more migrant in our societies is not immediate and not that dramatic, but because of the press banging on it constantly, it changed the average man's perception of the stranger,
any stranger, be them from a poor country in Africa or a rich country like the US or Canada.
At least in my opinion, this makes Europe kind of a hard nut to crack. If you have money yes, you could move there and start hitting the local bars or clubs, chatting up random women in English or their respective languages, if you speak them or you can be bothered to learn them.
The problem I, and PD, see is that it's not as easy as you think to make meaningful friendships in, say, Barcelona or Prague just out of a random conversation had in a bar, while half drunk. By
meaningful friendship I mean one where you guys are hanging out at least a few times a month, genuinely enjoy talking about different topics and, in case of a woman, both of you might see the friendship evolving into something deeper.
I agree with PD that, not just in Europe but everywhere in the world, the better girls are usually taken from an early age. Sure, you could try developing a platonic relationship with them if both they and they boyfriends/husbands are OK with it. Most of the time it won't go down well with the men, especially in Eastern Europe where men are much more possessive and territorial (and so are women, TBH).
You could obviously try with the small army or single women, usually divorcess or single moms who go to the pub to get some relief from a life of working to paying bills and feed their kids. As
@yick says, there is no shortage of these kinds of women in the UK. They are usually in their early 30s to late 40s, usually (with some notable exceptions!) not so well in shape anymore. Life is taking a toll on them and you can clearly see them the way they talk, they behave and from whatever happens after that night.
The "beer goggles" thing it's just a myth IMHO. Unless the woman is almost passed out and you need to carry her while she is semi-conscious but unable to stand or walk, any woman you meet in a pub will have decided within the first 10/15 minutes from meeting you, if she wants to take you to her place or be taken to yours, for some sex. Even if she is drunk or very drunk, she will still remember her initial impression and still reject you, more or less politely.
Forget about "cold approaches", they will only make you look like a fool, a creep, or both. I saw some candid cameras shot in Italy and Spain and basically only the most handsome young guys, I mean model looking, were able to get the interest of a pretty girl on the spot, with phone number exchange and all. Remember this is the Instagram generation, where every girls believe she deserves only the best and the hottest, and can hide her real self behind heavily filtered pictures and videos.
So my understanding is that, like most men here, you are looking for young, pretty girls whom you can have a nice, deep connection with. Those are not easy to find in any place in the world. What I found so far in the Philippines is nice sex partners who, surprisingly, turned out to be good conversations and, after all, good friends.
I am still seeing the consultant who comes here once a week, she is in her early 30s like me, never married, no kids and very much in shape. We never miss our romps but after that she never fails to impress me in terms of what we can talk about: culture, politics, history, what we have in common, what our dreams are, where we see ourselves in 3, 5 or 10 years... I am not tying the knot with her any time soon, but I can say I do have a special connection with her. We are OK to continue like this, without commitment, and that is a blessing for the 2 of us.
Based on the people I met in Europe, and I include Austria, Spain, France, Germany etc. I can comfortable say finding a girl who is still young and unmarried but not-career obsessed, still pretty and in shape, and a good conversation is much harder in those countries than in the Philippines.
In Europe, you might well find the woman or women of your dreams, and I for one wish you do, if and when you decide to set foot there. The chances are quite a big higher, though, that you will be stuck in a city or two, without much to do, feeding your soul off random encounters with men or women in pubs, bars or hostels that never go past that night's chitchat. It will be hard to find someone young, pretty, unmarried and available for something casual.
As I said, you might have some luck with divorcess and single moms who are around your age, however I guess they would be a long shot from what you desire, correct?
Then you say there are other aspects in life than sex. I agree 100% with that. That is why, if you do move to Europe, you can't just be a backpacker looking for some random encounters. To get that level of integration with us, the locals, you would probably need to learn the local language well, have a social status, which means a job or at least something that gets you into a social circle. There's also grooming and appearance but I assume you're OK with that already.
Winston wrote: ↑February 9th, 2020, 2:13 pm
You guys are forgetting one thing.
When I was in Russia I met about 400 to 500 girls via cold approach, most for just brief moments of course. Out of all that, only about 4 or 5 of them had a serious interest in me. That's about a 99 percent rejection rate. And yes this was when I looked younger and was only 30. That may sound bad, but it's not as bad as you think. It's not like the US where 100 percent of white girls I meet say they have a boyfriend or blow me off, especially in California, where white girls are very racist toward Asian guys. At least in Russia you always have some form of female companionship, even if it's just a casual social outing or platonic hang out or culture/language exchange, etc. That's part of life. But at least this is not a 100 percent rejection rate, only 99. So PD was wrong to predict a 100 percent rejection rate with certainty. He was at best only semi-right.
In Europe, I'd probably experience something similar but on a smaller scale. Of course the girls there are not going to be as open to cold approach as in Russia, but much more than in the US at least, so it's somewhere in the middle. I wouldn't be able to meet 400 girls that easily as in Russia, but it wouldn't be zero either. It'd be smaller but regular at least, kind of like in China, where I met maybe 3 or 4 people per week (both men and women), not everyday, but not zero either like in Taiwan or the USA.
So what I'm saying is, I'm not expecting a whole lot. But it should be easy to at least make platonic or casual friends in Europe, both male and female, like what I experienced in Poland, as you can see in my videos. It's not like the USA or Taiwan where I don't even like to go out because the vibe is so weird and awkward and feels super cliquish like high school, that's the worst. To me it's all about the vibe. Europe for me as a great vibe. I'm in my element there and fit in with the culture, down to the core of my soul. When I was in Warsaw, Poland, none of the girls there would give me their number and they were very reserved, but they were polite, so I didn't get a negative or awkward vibe at least. That's what matters most to me, the vibe. As long as it's positive and not negative or awkward or off, then I'm generally ok, even if I'm alone and not dating anyone.
That happened in Warsaw, Poland. And more recently, in Cambodia after Dianne left, I hung out for almost two weeks alone before Rock and Worldtraveler came to join me. During that time I was fine too, because the vibe in Cambodia is nice and relaxed and feels positive, like the vibe you got in America during the 1970's.
So I hope you guys understand my position. And see that I'm not all about sex and getting laid all the time like some of you are. There are other important aspects of life too. I'm not as shallow as some of you are, and do not see all interactions with females as a waste of time unless there's sex involved. I can connect with women emotionally and feel satisfied with that even without sex. So I'm a deeper guy, not a shallow guy like many guys are. So don't project yourselves onto me. I am not a typical western guy. And not all western guys are like you guys anyway.
Hope you understand my point.