Illicit income + welfare is the way to go

[Cornfed]

Suppose you were talking to a young man who wanted to raise a family in the West. How would you advise him to go about it? The only realistic way in most cases would be to make some money illicitly through crime or under the table work or whatever and have the balance of the family expenses paid for by the state. He would want to generate an income in ways that would not get him locked up for very long when caught. Depending on the jurisdiction this could be burglary, car theft, cultivating cannabis or whatever. He would need to accept being caught for some misdemeanors in order to form contacts and develop street cred. Then he could impregnate the appropriate teenaged female and supplement the welfare he or they could collect with his illicit income. The female would be grateful to him because he would be materially raising her standard of living in a way that was entirely at his discretion. She might also see him as an exciting bad boy character. This really would be the only sensible way to raise a family in the West these days. Any scenario of playing by the rules is a recipe for disaster. Perhaps this should be the standard advice for us to give young men who didn’t want to go overseas.

[Paloaltoguy]

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[Cornfed]

This is true. However, you can make 1000x more by learning the more sophisticated Wall Street game.

Obviously the system is set up so that the 0.1% parasitical elite can steal as much as they like. I was thinking more of the average young man.

[Ghost]

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[Teal Lantern]

Suppose you were talking to a young man who wanted to raise a family in the West. How would you advise him to go about it? The only realistic way in most cases would be to make some money illicitly through crime or under the table work or whatever and have the balance of the family expenses paid for by the state. He would want to generate an income in ways that would not get him locked up for very long when caught. Depending on the jurisdiction this could be burglary, car theft, cultivating cannabis or whatever.

I'll grant the "under the table work" option, but the rest is a good way to die young or locked up.
How would you, Cornfed, respond if a young man following such career advice came to relieve you of your car or other property?

He would need to accept being caught for some misdemeanors in order to form contacts and develop street cred. Then he could impregnate the appropriate teenaged female and supplement the welfare he or they could collect with his illicit income. The female would be grateful to him because he would be materially raising her standard of living in a way that was entirely at his discretion.

A grateful female?
Try 'amused', and only while the money was coming in.

She might also see him as an exciting bad boy character. This really would be the only sensible way to raise a family in the West these days. Any scenario of playing by the rules is a recipe for disaster. Perhaps this should be the standard advice for us to give young men who didn’t want to go overseas.

He would be exciting -- long enough to start a family, but not around steady enough to "raise" anything ... other than bail money.

I would give a young man such advice if ...
1) I wanted a chance to bang his woman (during one of his not-very-long stints in jail) A/O
2) I wanted to be sure his sons couldn't long-term compete with mine in any meaningful way.

Having known people who tried such careers and the children of such people, I've seen the results; they look nothing like the brochure.

[Cornfed]

I'll grant the "under the table work" option, but the rest is a good way to die young or locked up.
How would you, Cornfed, respond if a young man following such career advice came to relieve you of your car or other property?

I wouldn't be happy about it, but most licit ways of making any kind of money are no less immoral. Besides, everything is ultimately going to be stolen by the banksters in one way or another anyway, so some of the stuff may as well be used to raise children who may one day fight back in the meantime. Also there might be the chance to make a moral illicit living by say, selling drugs to willing adults or targeting corporate or guvmint bigshots and their whores.

He would be exciting -- long enough to start a family, but not around steady enough to "raise" anything ... other than bail money.

I know of a few men doing this. There are many ways of earning illicit income that seem to be relatively safe if you have the right contacts. Remember, the man wouldn't have to make a lot of money. Just enough to make a meaningful supplement to the guvmint cheese.

I would give a young man such advice if ...
1) I wanted a chance to bang his woman (during one of his not-very-long stints in jail) A/O
2) I wanted to be sure his sons couldn't long-term compete with mine in any meaningful way.

The thing is that most quality young men in the West will likely either not reproduce or not be able to raise their kids since they will be away working and/or will have been assraped in divorces. This is a potential antidote. The children from young, healthy mothers with fathers around to raise and look after them will likely compete very well in times to come.

[OutWest]

Suppose you were talking to a young man who wanted to raise a family in the West. How would you advise him to go about it? The only realistic way in most cases would be to make some money illicitly through crime or under the table work or whatever and have the balance of the family expenses paid for by the state. He would want to generate an income in ways that would not get him locked up for very long when caught. Depending on the jurisdiction this could be burglary, car theft, cultivating cannabis or whatever. He would need to accept being caught for some misdemeanors in order to form contacts and develop street cred. Then he could impregnate the appropriate teenaged female and supplement the welfare he or they could collect with his illicit income. The female would be grateful to him because he would be materially raising her standard of living in a way that was entirely at his discretion. She might also see him as an exciting bad boy character. This really would be the only sensible way to raise a family in the West these days. Any scenario of playing by the rules is a recipe for disaster. Perhaps this should be the standard advice for us to give young men who didn’t want to go overseas.

I know a number or relatively young men who went to the trouble of getting a degree in such things as computer engineering or some kind of specialized programming. They chose these areas because they knew they were in high demand. Rather than sit around bitching, they went to work. Two young men I know best were both hired before they even graduated. Somehow, I don't think they would be doing so well if they followed your plan. However, as you are well aware, there will be no shortage of
men who will follow your plan- but I don't think they will enjoy long vacations, paid for houses, and the ability to retire and move overseas by the time they are in their early 40s.

[Cornfed]

I know a number or relatively young men who went to the trouble of getting a degree in such things as computer engineering or some kind of specialized programming

Yes, I am one of those. Man, that was a sucker move. I only hope I can do the world a favor by helping young men to avoid being conned like I was.

They chose these areas because they knew they were in high demand. Rather than sit around bitching, they went to work. Two young men I know best were both hired before they even graduated. Somehow, I don't think they would be doing so well if they followed your plan

Given that it takes years to get in-demand qualifications and experience, it is not possible to know what careers will be in demand by the time you are in a position to apply for them. These days you are taking a gamble at very long odds. Most will not be given any opportunities. Of those that are, what exactly are their child rearing prospects? If both they and wifey have to work then they will likely have to marry an ageing used-up career whore and spend their lives rushing around like chickens with their heads cut off while the kids are raised by minimum-wage bimbos in daycare. If they make enough to support a stay at home wife, she will probably be being f***ed by dirtbags while they are away at work and liable to ass-rape them in the divorce court at some point. Or are they to plan on saving up enough to marry late in life overseas? In that case a school leaver today would be taking on very long odds that there will be a career for him, that his industry won't be automated, outsourced or otherwise go belly up before then, that Western men will still be desirable to foreign females by that time and that the foreign females won't all be worthless career sluts like Western females by then. A pretty stupid bet IMO. Incidentally, since in the evolutionary sense "doing well" is reproducing, how many children do these well-doing young men have?

However, as you are well aware, there will be no shortage of men who will follow your plan

Of course, it will be/is the only realistically doable option for most young men.

[OutWest]

I know a number or relatively young men who went to the trouble of getting a degree in such things as computer engineering or some kind of specialized programming

Yes, I am one of those. Man, that was a sucker move. I only hope I can do the world a favor by helping young men to avoid being conned like I was.

They chose these areas because they knew they were in high demand. Rather than sit around bitching, they went to work. Two young men I know best were both hired before they even graduated. Somehow, I don't think they would be doing so well if they followed your plan

Given that it takes years to get in-demand qualifications and experience, it is not possible to know what careers will be in demand by the time you are in a position to apply for them. These days you are taking a gamble at very long odds. Most will not be given any opportunities. Of those that are, what exactly are their child rearing prospects? If both they and wifey have to work then they will likely have to marry an ageing used-up career whore and spend their lives rushing around like chickens with their heads cut off while the kids are raised by minimum-wage bimbos in daycare. If they make enough to support a stay at home wife, she will probably be being f***ed by dirtbags while they are away at work and liable to a**-rape them in the divorce court at some point. Or are they to plan on saving up enough to marry late in life overseas? In that case a school leaver today would be taking on very long odds that there will be a career for him, that his industry won't be automated, outsourced or otherwise go belly up before then, that Western men will still be desirable to foreign females by that time and that the foreign females won't all be worthless career sluts like Western females by then. A pretty stupid bet IMO. Incidentally, since in the evolutionary sense "doing well" is reproducing, how many children do these well-doing young men have?

However, as you are well aware, there will be no shortage of men who will follow your plan

Of course, it will be/is the only realistically doable option for most young men.

Both work for Intel in Arizona. Both are under 30 and both have savings in various forms well into 6 figures. One is married to a Filipina and they have 3 children. The other is single and travels overseas often, with the intent to move when he can.

Hard sciences and engineering have generally been in demand most of my life.
Its not so hard to see why, how many USA public school grads can really learn those disciplines?

Doing well as you define it- the mere number of offspring, even if they are slack-jawed degenerates, is hardly a long term plan for your family tree. There is a vast difference between the long term outcomes for cognitive elites and the skin-covered vegetable offspring of hoodrats.
From point of view, cockroaches and houseflies are far more "successful" than any human.

I don't know where you come from, but on my last USA visit, I met a lot of young men, and all that I know do not see becoming some kind of hootrat a career plan. Did you grow up in or near some kind of US black ghetto? Your background assumptions sound that way...

It's not all so easy, but the intelligent adapters are finding ways to do OK or better.
And no, the majority of engineering and hard science degree-holders are not unemployed and bitter.
Or I should say, the ones I meet on the West Coast of the USA are not...

[Cornfed]

Hard sciences and engineering have generally been in demand most of my life.

That is simply not true. There are virtually no entry level jobs in hard sciences. In my locality, out of ~10k jobs listed in the main websites, only about 30 jobs are listed in the entire science and technology sector. I believe the recent statistics in the UK are that only around 3% of science graduates gain employment in their chosen fields. I don't know why this crazy myth of lots of jobs in science persists. Google around and you will soon see the real state of affairs.

Doing well as you define it- the mere number of offspring, even if they are slack-jawed degenerates, is hardly a long term plan for your family tree. There is a vast difference between the long term outcomes for cognitive elites and the skin-covered vegetable offspring of hoodrats.

As it stands, it is only the slack-jawed degenerates and niggers and such that are breeding much. Intelligent people are not so much, as depicted in Idiocracy. If we don't change this, then whatever the few intelligent people employed in science and such achieve will be irrelevant, as it will be incomprehensible to future generations, so they may as well not even bother. I hope I can encourage intelligent young men to reverse this trend.

It's not all so easy, but the intelligent adapters are finding ways to do OK or better.

As stated above, it is the stupid adapters that are currently doing better. Lets change that.

And no, the majority of engineering and hard science degree-holders are not unemployed and bitter.

What are you basing that on? Could you show me the statistics on that? I take it you mean that more than 50% of science grads are employed in lucrative science careers. That seems to contradict all known indicators.

[Cornfed]

Consider what is likely to happen if you as a young man do try to be a good boy, work within the system and raise a family in the West today. While there would be exceptions, here are the most likely scenarios:

1. You work in a low wage job perhaps punctuated by periods of unemployment - the plight of most young men. In that case that and an expressed desire to raise a family make you a total loser in the eyes of Western females, since they can get more money from welfare without you and can f**k as many dirtbags as they want while doing it. You won't have the chance to raise kids.

2. You make a moderate professional income. In that case your wife will have to work as well. Because she is a career female she will likely have delayed having children to work and so will be a withered old slut who "settled" for you out of desperation when she realized that her womb was growing cobwebs.

Consider a typical day. You and wifey have to get up before 5am, get the kids up and bully the kids into getting ready while running frantically around getting ready yourself. You then fight your way through rush hour traffic to get the kids to daycare on time where they will lead a Lord of the Flies type existence crowded in with genetic dross and supervised by low IQ bimbos. By the time you arrive at work you are already stressed out and exhausted. Having worked all day you once again fight through rush hour traffic to pick up the kids. Wifey is not home yet so you have to run around doing chores and getting the dinner on. You have no time to play with your kids as you need to bully them into quickly eating dinner, washing up and getting ready for bed. Wifey gets home also exhausted, unable and unwilling to perform her wifely function, resenting you for the lousy life she has to lead and comparing you disfavorably to all the dirtbags that have f***ed and chucked her and the whorporate big shots at work she wishes she could have married. When you finally bully the kids into going to sleep you have perhaps an hour to get stuff ready for work the next day, do your taxes or whatever before slumping into bed yourself. Seemingly the alarm rings almost immediately and you get to do in again. Not exactly domestic bliss.

3. You are lucky to be paid enough to support a stay at home wife and children. She will be bored and along all day and starved of adult companionship, since most of the other females go to work, so it would be natural for her to start f***ing dirtbags while you are away. She will have every feminist bitch and her dog insisting that she is unfulfilled, that being a housewife is slavery but that doing essentially the same things in the workplace is somehow liberating. Knowing this and knowing that she will really be able to take you to the cleaners in any divorce, you will take to walking on eggshells around her and become more deferential over time. This will of course cause her to lose all respect and feelings of sexual attraction for you as a self fulfilling prophecy and so she will file for divorce and your real nightmare will begin.

Nope, you can't win by trying to work at a job and support a family these days. If you don't immediately go overseas, illicit income + welfare is your best bet.

[zboy1]

As it stands, it is only the slack-jawed degenerates and niggers and such that are breeding much. Intelligent people are not so much, as depicted in Idiocracy. If we don't change this, then whatever the few intelligent people employed in science and such achieve will be irrelevant, as it will be incomprehensible to future generations, so they may as well not even bother. I hope I can encourage intelligent young men to reverse this trend.

It's not all so easy, but the intelligent adapters are finding ways to do OK or better.

Cornfed, has Rock ever complained about your postings on this forum? I think he did that one time you called Black people, "racially inferior."

I'm asking because all he does he whine about me all the time on this forum, calling me a racist while always supporting the stuff that you write--including your racist comments. LOL.

[Devil Dog]

Corn****, you have quite a grasp on how to make it in the underclass. Congratulations on your achievements!

[OutWest]

Corn****, you have quite a grasp on how to make it in the underclass. Congratulations on your achievements!

Seems to be suffering from a terminally DARK view of all of life, insisting that the worst of possibilities are always the most likely. In such a very dark world, every single breeding age female in a America is
behaving in a way that would embarrass Jerry Springer. It must be especially grim to insist that ALL women in America are total sluts...but even at that, they will not give you the time of day!
How grim it must be to think of all these extreme sluts out there that will not even use you as human
dildo, even though they are totally indiscriminate. The idea that populating a dark, extremely pessimistic hate filled world would possibly get in the way of employment prospects or relationships with women would never be considered...

[Cornfed]

Corn****, you have quite a grasp on how to make it in the underclass. Congratulations on your achievements!

The reality is that most young men from now on will be in the underclass, the underclass now often have it better than the sub-middle class and only the underclass is breeding much, so their offspring are going to own the future. It is only going to get worse as the generation of vipers (aka baby boomers) retires or succumbs to their various afflictions, as these parasites will consume all the resources that licitly employed men produce. Hence making it in the underclass will become an essential survival mechanism from here on it.