Is Nuclear War Inevitable?

[Yohan]

There are those here like @Voyager1 and @Yohan who have posted with their support for Ukraine in the Russian thread. I’m assuming you guys support Ukraine anyway, sorry if I’m mistaken in my assumption. The narrative is that Russia has invaded Ukraine to annex certain regions and stop Ukraine from joining NATO. But what do you guys think? Should NATO get involved with a more hands on approach to helping Ukraine? Or will this exacerbate already rising tensions and potentially lead to nuclear war?

My opinion about this issue is that Ukraine has to fight it out with Russia with its own people.

Ukraine is not such a small place with little population, it is as large as France and has over 40 million citizens.
Its citizen are full of hate and clearly willing to fight the Russians as good as they can.

So far Russia ridiculously failed with its 3-days military special operation. A total miscalculation...

NATO countries will continue to support Ukraine with materials of any kind, like weapons, medical, helping refugees, general items, etc.
This is easy to deliver support stuff as Ukraine has open borders to Western Europe.

Ukraine is not really the NATO concern. The major issue is what is after Ukraine, which country will be the next Russia will attack. Russia was openly threatening Sweden and Finland - which cannot be tolerated by NATO.

Russia has already Russian soldiers in Moldovia, might also consider to invade the small Baltic countries...

Russia also classified Japan as a 'hostile nation' - Russia is the only country in the world which has no peace contract with Japan and which occupies still some Japanese small islands, taken from Japan after surrender, after the end of WWII.

The only nation even worse than Russia is nearby North Korea which is the only country worldwide which has no diplomatic relationship with Japan and fires frequently even rockets over Japan.

Japan has a fairly good equipped modern mlitary and has also USA as additional defense, therefore I don't think Russia will attack Japan, but Russia tries to cut off any energy supply to Japan - so far no problem, energy import from Russia is only 15 % and it could be replaced already by imports from other countries like coal from Australia...

There is no need to use NATO soldiers to fight Russia, Ukraine is doing a good job with Western support as far as from Japan and even from Australia.

All in all, a military weak Russia is only good for all of us, in Europe as well as in Japan. Not NATO, but it's Russia which is getting weaker every day.

[Outcast9428]

I don’t believe nuclear war is inevitable, I think it might happen because of humanity’s stupidity but I don’t think it’s inevitable.

I think the elites have made the same bullshit mistake in Ukraine that they made in Libya. If we had stayed the f**k out of Libya the war would have been over in under a month. The same is true of Ukraine. Russia would have bulldozed them over and the war would have been over within months. It is our fault that Libya is now Somalia 2.0 and it’s our fault that tens of thousands of people have been killed in Ukraine. All because our politicians are obsessed with acting like they are the heroes of democracy or whatever.

I don’t get why some people love Putin so much. I don’t think he’s really the conservative/right wing hero that people portray him as. But he’s not the monster the left portrays him as either. I admittedly feel a little more sympathy for the Russians because they said this is like the Cuban missile crisis for them and they don’t want nuclear weapons on their border which is fair enough. If we hadn’t pressured Ukraine to join NATO none of us would be in this mess.

[publicduende]

There won't be a nuclear war, no "dirty bomb" or "tactical nukes" either. I recall an analysis from @Shemp that I think is the most likely scenario... America and the West will continue to arm and aid Ukraine in order to weaken Russia, Russia will become weakened severely, and China will step into the fold, "save" Russia, gather all its natural resources and dominate the world. The West would "win" in Ukraine but it would be a Pyrrhic victory... and the whole world would be a shittier place for it.

That's one plausible scenario but, from what I read, China has far more serious and dramatic - albeit hidden from the outside world - problems to deal with. Massive protests against the increasingly authoritarian rule of Xi Jinping and its fallouts on the economy and everyday life are very likely. And if protesters won't have it their way because of the massive hi-tech security and police apparatus in place, they will start finding more creative and perhaps effective ways to "hack China from within". If and when that happens, foreign policy will be the last thing in the minds of Xi and his politburo.

As for Russia, they are perfectly used to fighting American-sponsored wars by proxy. They did it in Afghanistan back in the days, they have done it in Syria and, now, Ukraine. I think Putin is right in declaring Ukraine a failed state recolonised by the globalist Zionist elite. If Ukrainians really knew who has been governing them, since Viktor Yushchenko left the room, and how much money Zelensky and his clique are making with the war, they would lose quite a bit of their patriotic flare.

The nuclear option is a no-go avenue and all parties involved know it. Putin is a fine mind and he knows he can play the long game, aware that General Winter and a global recession may simply drain the West's appetite to keep feeding Ukraine with expensive weaponry, specialist training and cash. When that happens, they know they don't have Napoleon on the other side. Just a mediocre comedian turned political puppet for the elite.

[Cornfed]

@gsjackson shared a video by Eric Dubay who made a YouTube video stating nuclear weapons are a fiction and don’t actually exist. Do you believe this is true? What about you, @Cornfed? The video is here for anyone interested: [media]https://www.bitchute.com/video/d6z5GBNA0NMC/[/media

Probably nukes are a hoax. Hopefully there will just be a war between the US affirmative action military and Russia in which the affirmative action crowd will be slaughtered. If nukes do exist, it would be great if someone could nuke Auckland. It is a spread out city so could use a few nukes, but surely someone could spare them.

[publicduende]

If nukes do exist, it would be great if someone could nuke Auckland. It is a spread out city so could use a few nukes, but surely someone could spare them.

I assume you're still living in Mexico?

[Cornfed]

If nukes do exist, it would be great if someone could nuke Auckland. It is a spread out city so could use a few nukes, but surely someone could spare them.

I assume you're still living in Mexico?

Yes, but I imagine most people actually living in NZ would agree with me.

[kangarunner]

Yes, but I imagine most people actually living in NZ would agree with me.

My high school friend here in TN just moved to New Zealand to be a professor at a Christian college. NZ looks like awesome with a ton of outdoor things to do. And the Kiwis I met in Bali seemed like good people.

[publicduende]

All true. I hope you're right and Xi's China will go the way all the empires of the world go once their leaders become too old, too arrogant, and too surrounded by nothing but scared yes-men... time will tell. To get rid of Xi will be very hard now that virtually all his rivals in-party are eliminated so some decline is to be expected. Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake, I guess haha.

When I said "hacking China from within" I didn't mean to necessarily oust Xi Jinping. Now that even staunch supporters of Xi and his party are starting to feel disillusioned, they might be starting to hack and neutralise the security apparatus, including hi-tech surveillance, that gets Xi to sleep at night. A China that plunges into social black-out and then chaos is not a scenario that most people would wish for themselves and their families. Yet, you will agree with me, at this point nothing short of a full-blown revolution will ever change anything, anywhere.

They did it in Afghanistan, indeed, and its one of the reason the USSR ultimately collapsed. A final nail in the Soviet's coffin. Too many Russian soldiers returning home maimed, dead, or addicted to drugs after too many years in Afghanistan's poppy fields. If Ukraine is to be another Afghanistan, it'll surely break Russia before long, cold winter or no cold winter.

That's also true. At this point, it's basically an endurance test. For all the discontent in Russian cities, we know who would lose in a game of "who has got the most pussified society".

I'm not sure if time is really on Russia's side as much as Putin would like to believe. The brain drain, the many companies leaving Russia, and Europe and even other countries looking for alternative sources for their natural resources needs, all spell major trouble ahead for the Russians. Zelensky may be a clownish puppet and Russia a fine mind in comparison, but for a "fine mind" Putin surely seems to have started a war in which he's losing a lot more than he stands to gain.

I am sure Putin underestimated the degree of support Ukraine would get from the rest of the Western world and this has been the reason the war is dragging on and on. He also knows that, in the end, it will be all about what's at stake and what's in it for each participant. Is helping a puppet state of the Zionist elite, no less what Israel has been since the rise of the far-right Likud, so important for the US and Europe, when they have a recession and internal matters to deal with? What's at stake for Russia, their national security and the protection of Russian minorities accounting to millions, is probably more than what's at stake for us.

My 2 cents are on Ukraine being left on their own devices before year end.

[gsjackson]

There are those here like @Voyager1 and @Yohan who have posted with their support for Ukraine in the Russian thread. I’m assuming you guys support Ukraine anyway, sorry if I’m mistaken in my assumption. The narrative is that Russia has invaded Ukraine to annex certain regions and stop Ukraine from joining NATO. But what do you guys think? Should NATO get involved with a more hands on approach to helping Ukraine? Or will this exacerbate already rising tensions and potentially lead to nuclear war?

My opinion about this issue is that Ukraine has to fight it out with Russia with its own people.

Ukraine is not such a small place with little population, it is as large as France and has over 40 million citizens.
Its citizen are full of hate and clearly willing to fight the Russians as good as they can.

So far Russia ridiculously failed with its 3-days military special operation. A total miscalculation...

NATO countries will continue to support Ukraine with materials of any kind, like weapons, medical, helping refugees, general items, etc.
This is easy to deliver support stuff as Ukraine has open borders to Western Europe.

Ukraine is not really the NATO concern. The major issue is what is after Ukraine, which country will be the next Russia will attack. Russia was openly threatening Sweden and Finland - which cannot be tolerated by NATO.

Russia has already Russian soldiers in Moldovia, might also consider to invade the small Baltic countries...

Russia also classified Japan as a 'hostile nation' - Russia is the only country in the world which has no peace contract with Japan and which occupies still some Japanese small islands, taken from Japan after surrender, after the end of WWII.

The only nation even worse than Russia is nearby North Korea which is the only country worldwide which has no diplomatic relationship with Japan and fires frequently even rockets over Japan.

Japan has a fairly good equipped modern mlitary and has also USA as additional defense, therefore I don't think Russia will attack Japan, but Russia tries to cut off any energy supply to Japan - so far no problem, energy import from Russia is only 15 % and it could be replaced already by imports from other countries like coal from Australia...

There is no need to use NATO soldiers to fight Russia, Ukraine is doing a good job with Western support as far as from Japan and even from Australia.

All in all, a military weak Russia is only good for all of us, in Europe as well as in Japan. Not NATO, but it's Russia which is getting weaker every day.

Putin claims his reason for the invasion, following his phony military exercise was because Ukraine has the Azov nazi group who have been bombing the Donbas region for years, since 2014 I believe. But in truth I suspect that this is nothing more than a justification for his invasion. He's known about this for years and done nothing about it at all until now. Also, wasn't there something to do with NATO breaking an agreement with Russia about not expanding their borders into Ukraine or Sweden and Finland. When Ukraine was going to join NATO, Russia saw it as an excuse to go in and neutralise Ukraine and seize a few of the regions there for themselves. All under the pretext of fighting off nazis and saving lives...

Pretext? Russia has made it VERY clear for many years that Ukraine joining NATO is a red line that will not be crossed without serious consequences. When Ukraine amassed about 80,000 troops clearly preparing for a full-scale invasion of the Donbass and Zelensky spouted off about acquiring nuclear weapons it was inevitable that Russia would go in. De-Nazification was one of the stated objectives of the SMO, but it was hardly presented as the main objective. Protecting Russian ethnics from being massacred was -- something the people of the Donbass had been begging Russia to do for eight years. And yes, James Baker promised Gorbachev that NATO would not expand eastward if East and West Germany were reunited. Once Clinton came into office a relentless NATO expansion began, doubling the number of member nations and going right up to Russia's doorstep.

[Yohan]

https://japantoday.com/category/politic ... n-late-nov.

Russian Ambassador to Japan Mikhail Galuzin is expected to leave his post, possibly late next month, and it is not yet known who will succeed him, a Russian government source said Friday.

His departure comes amid strained bilateral ties over Russia's invasion of Ukraine that began in February, which has sparked condemnation and triggered international sanctions against Moscow.

Galuzin, 62, who assumed the ambassadorship in March 2018, is renowned for his excellent Japanese skills even among Russian diplomats who are experts on Japan, the source said.

His current stint is his fourth time serving in Japan, including during the Soviet Union days.

Galuzin is also known to adhere closely to Moscow's position on issues concerning its war on Ukraine and the Russian-held, Japan-claimed islands, known as the Northern Territories in Japan and the Southern Kurils in Russia.

In a May interview with Kyodo News, he criticized Japan for its sanctions against his country over the invasion as continued unfriendly actions that made impossible peace treaty negotiations concerning the islands, which Moscow seized in 1945 following Japan's surrender in World War II.

There is no progress between Japan and Russia since 1945. Russia is the only country worldwide, which has no peace treaty with Japan. Another headache country is North Korea, which is the only country worldwide, which has not even diplomatic relationship with Japan.

Luckily Japan does not depend much on Russia, situation is different in Europe with its huge energy imports. There is not much going on between Japan and Russia anyway, some petrol, some timber, some fishing - such sanctions are meaningless, Russian imports are already replaced with imports from other more Japanese-friendly countries - Australia, Norway, Canada...and various others.

Japanese companies in Russia are also closing down now and leaving. It's too risky to co-operate with this irresponsible Russian government in future.

Even if Putin and his group are gone, it is not sure what will be next - could be even worse than him.

[Yohan]

Pretext? Russia has made it VERY clear for many years that Ukraine joining NATO is a red line that will not be crossed without serious consequences. When Ukraine amassed about 80,000 troops clearly preparing for a full-scale invasion of the Donbass and Zelensky spouted off about acquiring nuclear weapons it was inevitable that Russia would go in....

Whatever, it turned out that the Russian invasion into Ukraine - a so-called '3-days special military operation' ridiculously failed, a total miscalculation, and it shows what a sad mess this Russian military really is.

With all this money what Russia spent already for this stupid war it could made huge investment into its own widely empty underdeveloped large country, create entire new towns, factories, streets, infrastructure and invite all Russians who want to leave Ukraine to move over and to live - much better than before - on undisputed land in Russia for an income double of that they had in Ukraine before.

The loss of about 70.000 young men, either dead or seriously wounded, the loss of thousands of vehicles and other machinery of any kind is shocking, also horrible - but of no surprise - is the behavior of the Russian soldiers - destroying, raping, looting, no progress since WWII.

Others are deserting - not so few, thousands of young men who have some money and not such a bad living standard, were leaving Russia recently to everywhere where they can wait it out, to Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Thailand - they are now replaced even by criminals straight out of Russian prisons.

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Nuclear war? Try it, but be aware not only Russia, but also USA, UK and some others have nuclear weapons too. Up to you if you consider suicide...
I don't think however it will go so far...

[Yohan]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... force.html

Female Russian pilots as canon fodder...

Putin's 'angels of death': Female military pilots who graduated amid Ukraine invasion join Russian air force
The newly mobilised women are trained in using specialised war planes

Vladimir Putin has unleashed his 'angels of deaths' - newly graduated women military pilots now in the Russian air force.
The pilots were seen at a weekend passing out parade in Krasnodar after they had qualified from Serov Higher Military Aviation School.

Putin's defence minister Sergei Shoigu said the female pilots were 'gloriously' continuing a tradition.
He said: 'You are a reference point and an example for those girls who will follow you.'

The newly mobilised women are trained in using strategic nuclear bomber and transport planes.

What a waste ...

'All these girls will soon get married and go to 'serve' on maternity leave,' stormed one critic.

Yes, but only if they survive....

This year Mr Shoigu selected one female applicant Anna Shcherbakova, from Perm, who had initially been refused.
She was among 400 pilots, 16 of them female, to graduate.

There are not many females anyway, the huge majority of pilots are still men and not women...