Is the order of things shifting?

[zacb]

Now I am not saying as of the current moment, but over the next few year I would not be surprised if there was a realignment of the political parties.

What got me thinking about that was this: http://www.cnbc.com/id/48710255.
If all the middle of the road Democrats shift to the GOP, and the neoconservative, which are nothing but liberals in conservative clothing, control the GOP, were doe that place real conservatives? Does that push them to the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party? Look at the defections already. They have Roger Stone and Gary Johnson. And on the Constitution side, look at Virgel Goode. Maybe I am thinking too much. And then for the civil liberty crowd of the Democratic party, they may swing towards the Green Party. Like I said, I don't think it will be over night, but if the Democratic Party can't tap the roots of JFK and Bill Clinton (being middle of the road reformers), I think you could see a splintering of the parties. In one poll I saw, 10% of the American people said they would vote for a third candidate. And if some of Ron Paul's previous supports support Gary Johnson , even with a small amount of them, could help for him to make a real impact on the race.


Anyways, just my 2 cents. Honestly I am not worrying about the outcome, although I wish people would do the right thing and vote both major parties out. Worse comes to worse I may have to move to Eastern Europe sooner than I thought. [/url]

[Jester]

More honest party alignments would be good.

IMO --
Libertarian, Constitutionalist, NeoCon/Imperialist,
NeoLib/Mild Imperialist, Green, and Anti-White Socialist.

I think these would cover everybody.

I would love to see every state have the Virginia system to get on the ballot. Hundreds of signatures required in every single congressional district, and tens of thousands statewide also. Plus all signatures should be via unpaid volunteers, resident of local district or county.

Some parties would always fail to get on the ballot, depending on the region. For instance, in California, NeoCon/Imperialist would dominate Orange County, but would fail to get on the statewide ballot.

Perhaps just Libertarians and Greens would make it onto the ballot, no others, depending on number of signatures required. To me this is a holy task - take the dead parties, propped up by television, and bury them. The world belongs to the living.

[Teal Lantern]

Now I am not saying as of the current moment, but over the next few year I would not be surprised if there was a realignment of the political parties.

What got me thinking about that was this: http://www.cnbc.com/id/48710255.
If all the middle of the road Democrats shift to the GOP, and the neoconservative, which are nothing but liberals in conservative clothing, control the GOP, were doe that place real conservatives? Does that push them to the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party? Look at the defections already. They have Roger Stone and Gary Johnson. And on the Constitution side, look at Virgel Goode. Maybe I am thinking too much. And then for the civil liberty crowd of the Democratic party, they may swing towards the Green Party. Like I said, I don't think it will be over night, but if the Democratic Party can't tap the roots of JFK and Bill Clinton (being middle of the road reformers), I think you could see a splintering of the parties. In one poll I saw, 10% of the American people said they would vote for a third candidate. And if some of Ron Paul's previous supports support Gary Johnson , even with a small amount of them, could help for him to make a real impact on the race.


Anyways, just my 2 cents. Honestly I am not worrying about the outcome, although I wish people would do the right thing and vote both major parties out. Worse comes to worse I may have to move to Eastern Europe sooner than I thought. [/url]

The two major parties are essentially the same. They work together to assure no upstart third party gains any major support. The GOP was once the "third party", so they are especially sensitive to keeping this from happening. They believed in "state's rights" when they opposed Health Care Reform but not so much when it came to seating Maine's delegates at the nominating coronation .. um, oops ... convention.

Switching from one party to the other is just rearranging the sock drawer and expecting a better choice of socks. More elegantly ...

The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.

- Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope

Real conservatives will a) hold their nose and vote GOP, b) vote Libertarian and be blamed for GOP losses, or c) stay home and find more productive uses for their time.

[eurobrat]

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