Conversation with a friend about AW: Judgments vs Experience
Conversation with a friend about AW: Judgments vs Experience
I had a conversation with my best friend the other day about this topic AGAIN. It was on my mind, as usual, because I'm fed up with being single. But it continues to be this way due to the poor quality of women this country has to offer. Now my buddy he agrees with me on certain views I have about AW but he feels there are plenty of good AW out there. He says there out man. But in my case I rarely see any women of quality. Yes I know you have to get to know someone before making a judgement of their character but look at how these women carry themselves these days. Listen to how they talk. You can tell just by looking at a girl a lot of times if she's not worth your time.
Now, during the conversation he said, "I can name 50 women who are good American women". I said to him, "I'm sure there are good, decent, marriage minded women out there BUT THAT IS VERY SCARCE!!!" Come on!
He's know how I prefer foreign women from certain countries already due to my personal experiences. So he asked me, "Do you feel you'll have a certain amount of control over a girl from another country." I said, "It has nothing to do with control. It's about being with someone who is marriage-minded, faithful, traditional and wants to be in a committed relationship because that's what she truly wants." Controlling a woman is for the weak. He was just asking because he knows this is a big problem.
So he says, "How many American girls have you been in a relationship with to feel this way about them." I said one. He said, "Then you're judgments are based on feelings and not experience." That's true. BUT sometimes it doesn't take experience. If you're observant of them, you listen, talk to them, or try to talk to them, if you can, is experience. Why is that? Because you can get a glimpse of a person's mindset and character without being in a relationship. That's my opinion.
Another thing he said is that women are the way they are because of the men. They're tired of the men. So now they feel they have to take charge and may seem callous and aloof when a man approaches them because of how men in this country treat women. So they have their wall up.
I told him it's just scarce for everybody. Finding someone in this country is tiring. He says, "Well if you do find someone in this country who has those qualities you're looking for you'll feel happier because you'll know you have something rare in this country."
Good point but I'm still pessimistic about women in this country. It looks quite bleak in terms of finding quality. But like he said there out there.
One more thing he said. He said, "If a woman gets a good man she'll change because she'll feel more confident about her man and feel like she can trust him which will help her put her wall down." That could be true but with AW I'm very pessimistic.
So my question to all of you is, are you in the same boat? No experience dating many AW but your gut tells you stay away from them because of all the reasons already discussed in past threads? You guys know what I'm talking about. Or have you had a number of bad experiences with AW that have made you shut down and not want to bother with them at all?
TROLLS STAY OUT OF THIS TOPIC!! SERIOUSLY!!! This is an open discussion among members who have something to say in regards to the topic.
Now, during the conversation he said, "I can name 50 women who are good American women". I said to him, "I'm sure there are good, decent, marriage minded women out there BUT THAT IS VERY SCARCE!!!" Come on!
He's know how I prefer foreign women from certain countries already due to my personal experiences. So he asked me, "Do you feel you'll have a certain amount of control over a girl from another country." I said, "It has nothing to do with control. It's about being with someone who is marriage-minded, faithful, traditional and wants to be in a committed relationship because that's what she truly wants." Controlling a woman is for the weak. He was just asking because he knows this is a big problem.
So he says, "How many American girls have you been in a relationship with to feel this way about them." I said one. He said, "Then you're judgments are based on feelings and not experience." That's true. BUT sometimes it doesn't take experience. If you're observant of them, you listen, talk to them, or try to talk to them, if you can, is experience. Why is that? Because you can get a glimpse of a person's mindset and character without being in a relationship. That's my opinion.
Another thing he said is that women are the way they are because of the men. They're tired of the men. So now they feel they have to take charge and may seem callous and aloof when a man approaches them because of how men in this country treat women. So they have their wall up.
I told him it's just scarce for everybody. Finding someone in this country is tiring. He says, "Well if you do find someone in this country who has those qualities you're looking for you'll feel happier because you'll know you have something rare in this country."
Good point but I'm still pessimistic about women in this country. It looks quite bleak in terms of finding quality. But like he said there out there.
One more thing he said. He said, "If a woman gets a good man she'll change because she'll feel more confident about her man and feel like she can trust him which will help her put her wall down." That could be true but with AW I'm very pessimistic.
So my question to all of you is, are you in the same boat? No experience dating many AW but your gut tells you stay away from them because of all the reasons already discussed in past threads? You guys know what I'm talking about. Or have you had a number of bad experiences with AW that have made you shut down and not want to bother with them at all?
TROLLS STAY OUT OF THIS TOPIC!! SERIOUSLY!!! This is an open discussion among members who have something to say in regards to the topic.
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Tell your "friend" that you don't need to experience sticking your hand in a boiling pot of water to know that it is not for you! It sounds to me as if your friend is drinking the proverbial "kool aid." I would be careful taking advice from him judging from what you describe.
If you did not point out that your friend was a man, I would have thought it was a female. Whatever the case, some men just like to deny that AW are a big problem for them out of pure bravado. He also may have been raised by a single mother who brainwashed him into thinking that women are moral, noble, and on a higher level than men. When people hold those views, women can do no wrong.
I'm most concerned about the nonsense that "you can change a good woman." If she were really good, there would be no need to change her.
Your pessimism about AW is appropriate. Start traveling around and choose the countries you wish to settle in. Not having a girlfriend is paradise when compared to being married to a bad woman.
Establish romantic relationships out of this country (not online either) and you will have more clarity than you would ever believe. When you have that clarity, horrible advice like that provided by your friend can be easily dismissed and disregarded.
If you did not point out that your friend was a man, I would have thought it was a female. Whatever the case, some men just like to deny that AW are a big problem for them out of pure bravado. He also may have been raised by a single mother who brainwashed him into thinking that women are moral, noble, and on a higher level than men. When people hold those views, women can do no wrong.
I'm most concerned about the nonsense that "you can change a good woman." If she were really good, there would be no need to change her.
Your pessimism about AW is appropriate. Start traveling around and choose the countries you wish to settle in. Not having a girlfriend is paradise when compared to being married to a bad woman.
Establish romantic relationships out of this country (not online either) and you will have more clarity than you would ever believe. When you have that clarity, horrible advice like that provided by your friend can be easily dismissed and disregarded.
Your friend is a typical American guy who is/was not exposed to anything to compare. I grew up in a foreign country, the moment I stepped off the plane, I recognized "cold" and "ice" around people. I thought it was just me, I just don't know how to interact properly etc. But it is the society.
I don't actually blame American women as is. It is a problem of the society. Take an American girl at the age of 1-10 and put her in Russia. I guarantee you, she will grow up being "Russian" in her mindset! It is the American society that makes women cliquish, stuck-up, ice-cold, lightheaded, bored with their life and bitchy. Also, where are those "classy" women? That walk smooth wearing heels, know manners and prefer good wine over Bud light? They are almost extinct in America! It seems like ADD is not just a disease, it is a way of life for MOST American women - they jump around ALL the time, it makes me sick and I want to vomit just watching that "jumpy" behavior. And I have to use some "banter lines" to actually attract her attention? For what reason? Once I stop using banter, she will hop to another guy who will "make her laugh". I feel bad for those guys trying to lurk American women and play their "hopping" game. I am a smooth, relaxed and straighforward guy, I am just not compatible with 95% of American women behavior. Dating? Why bother if I can't even stand their behavior and low-pitched voice mumbling some non-sense about "football", "drinking" and "Oh my Gosh, Kristen broke up with her boyfriend again...", oh my Gosh makes me wanna vomit already!
I would suggest one thing: Every guy that you talk to - ask them how many FOREIGN women they dated and HAVE they ever traveled or lived abroad? If they did not - too bad for them! Their life is wasted! No point to continue your conversation.
I don't actually blame American women as is. It is a problem of the society. Take an American girl at the age of 1-10 and put her in Russia. I guarantee you, she will grow up being "Russian" in her mindset! It is the American society that makes women cliquish, stuck-up, ice-cold, lightheaded, bored with their life and bitchy. Also, where are those "classy" women? That walk smooth wearing heels, know manners and prefer good wine over Bud light? They are almost extinct in America! It seems like ADD is not just a disease, it is a way of life for MOST American women - they jump around ALL the time, it makes me sick and I want to vomit just watching that "jumpy" behavior. And I have to use some "banter lines" to actually attract her attention? For what reason? Once I stop using banter, she will hop to another guy who will "make her laugh". I feel bad for those guys trying to lurk American women and play their "hopping" game. I am a smooth, relaxed and straighforward guy, I am just not compatible with 95% of American women behavior. Dating? Why bother if I can't even stand their behavior and low-pitched voice mumbling some non-sense about "football", "drinking" and "Oh my Gosh, Kristen broke up with her boyfriend again...", oh my Gosh makes me wanna vomit already!
I would suggest one thing: Every guy that you talk to - ask them how many FOREIGN women they dated and HAVE they ever traveled or lived abroad? If they did not - too bad for them! Their life is wasted! No point to continue your conversation.
He was saying the opposite
@Contrarian Expatriate
What he was saying was that if you find a girl who is actually bad it's possible she'll due to the way you treat her. I should of went into detail a little more. He says that based on his brothers' wives. One of his sisters in law used to party and drink and when she became serious with his younger brother she stopped that whole scene. She felt like she didn't have to put on a front. She found someone who allowed her true personality to come out instead of just being a follower. So his conclusion is, a woman who has no guidance from anyone and has mental issues will change when a good man walks into her life. I'm on the fence with that one. There's no guarantee that will happen.I'm most concerned about the nonsense that "you can change a good woman." If she were really good, there would be no need to change her.
your friends correct....woman change after marriage....for the worst....
they got you by the balls then and if she walks....(rather kicks you out) she keeps the money & kids and you get the bills and torment....
F that....stay single.
they got you by the balls then and if she walks....(rather kicks you out) she keeps the money & kids and you get the bills and torment....
F that....stay single.
marriage is a 3 ring circus: engagement ring, wedding ring and then suffering.
Re: Conversation with a friend about AW: Judgments vs Experi
I feel the same way. AW are cold as ice and this society has made them too anti-social. My spider sense is telling me danger when I go anywhere near them. My experiences with AW have been fairly minor because I always keep my distance from them. It just doesn't feel normal if I want to approach and talk to one. I don't care what their excuses are for putting up that bitch shield. It was never my idea to make them that way, so why should I waste my time on any of them? If she isn't friendly with me, then I am not interested in talking to her. It's that simple. Has your friend ever traveled abroad? If the answer is no, then I wonder what that would do to his view on American society and the women after he got back. He can claim that there are "plenty" of good AW out there all he wants. The problem with that statement is these good AW are always taken. Finding one that is single would be like hitting the jackpot at the casino on the one machine that isn't rigged to make you lose. How many of us have had that kind of luck? How does your friend explain the divorce industry, most divorces filed by women, and the 60% divorce rate in this country? Did you talk to him about feminism and the kind of damage it does to families?OTB wrote:So my question to all of you is, are you in the same boat? No experience dating many AW but your gut tells you stay away from them because of all the reasons already discussed in past threads? You guys know what I'm talking about. Or have you had a number of bad experiences with AW that have made you shut down and not want to bother with them at all?
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