Studies prove Western Women are whores

[publicduende]

LOL...if you knew...if you knew... My reality is the biggest slap in your big fat, arrogant and ignorant face. It's the best answer, albeit a silent one, to your sterile attacks.

And may continue to be right up to the nanosecond your whore wife is able to divorce you under UK law.

I will gladly take the risk, and get all the rewards while it lasts. Unlike you and those other mental cases who post here, who plaster their hands for the fear of getting burned.

[S_Parc]

LOL...if you knew...if you knew... My reality is the biggest slap in your big fat, arrogant and ignorant face. It's the best answer, albeit a silent one, to your sterile attacks.

And may continue to be right up to the nanosecond your whore wife is able to divorce you under UK law.

Fellas, I don't agree with a lot of publicduende's ideas, however, I think you're picking on him, mainly because he's an optimist/dreamer and lives in some romance novel. Since he's not being a douchebag but instead, personable online, can't we limit the personal attacks and make it about his unfounded ideals?

[Intolerant]

One of the few things that destroy human lives is TV. I'm glad I've stopped watching American TV. If I have kids, I'm making them watch only the Chinese channels.

[Tsar]

One of the few things that destroy human lives is TV. I'm glad I've stopped watching American TV. If I have kids, I'm making them watch only the Chinese channels.

Almost every TV show I have ever liked in America went off the air after one or two seasons. The rest were cancelled later. This is because it was a good story, too complicated for dumbed down Americans or Western whores, lacked the common crime elements of popular television shows, or it lacked whorish behaviors. Very few television shows are worth watching anymore. Everything is crime, sex, teen mom, feminist propaganda, liberalism, murder, or senseless violence. All symptoms of a decaying society's corruption.

If I have children there will not be a television if it airs worthless American trash TV. They can watch dvds and do better things with their life.

[publicduende]

LOL...if you knew...if you knew... My reality is the biggest slap in your big fat, arrogant and ignorant face. It's the best answer, albeit a silent one, to your sterile attacks.

And may continue to be right up to the nanosecond your whore wife is able to divorce you under UK law.

Fellas, I don't agree with a lot of publicduende's ideas, however, I think you're picking on him, mainly because he's an optimist/dreamer and lives in some romance novel. Since he's not being a douchebag but instead, personable online, can't we limit the personal attacks and make it about his unfounded ideals?

Thanks for siding me on this, Doc. However discordant our ideas might be, I am stating them out of personal experience, not lack thereof.

I'm used to being picked up by the likes of Cornfed, it's not even worth spending much text to get back at them. People like All That Is Man and Cornfed (and Peter Andrew Nolan, when he was active) bark opinions based on extreme stereotypes which, by the sound of it, they had never had a chance to verify or substantiate by first-hand experience. All too easy to gobble up any of a number of MRA or anti-feminist guru blogs to the last paragraph and then copycat their rants with no prior digestion.

And then the one time Cornfed gets a real woman (ie. not a mere figment of an extremist's imagination) to talk to him and smile at him, he's all excited and posts that, after all, AWs are not all that bad. If he had been out and explored life a bit more, by now he would have gotten one of them "good girls" without much of a problem. Failing that, all he and his lot can do is sit back in their basements, eat pizza and regurgitgate someone else's opinions as if they were the ultimate axiomatic truth.

[clowny]

LOL...if you knew...if you knew... My reality is the biggest slap in your big fat, arrogant and ignorant face. It's the best answer, albeit a silent one, to your sterile attacks.

And may continue to be right up to the nanosecond your whore wife is able to divorce you under UK law.

Fellas, I don't agree with a lot of publicduende's ideas, however, I think you're picking on him, mainly because he's an optimist/dreamer and lives in some romance novel. Since he's not being a douchebag but instead, personable online, can't we limit the personal attacks and make it about his unfounded ideals?

Thanks for siding me on this, Doc. However discordant our ideas might be, I am stating them out of personal experience, not lack thereof.

I'm used to being picked up by the likes of Cornfed, it's not even worth spending much text to get back at them. People like All That Is Man and Cornfed (and Peter Andrew Nolan, when he was active) bark opinions based on extreme stereotypes which, by the sound of it, they had never had a chance to verify or substantiate by first-hand experience. All too easy to gobble up any of a number of MRA or anti-feminist guru blogs to the last paragraph and then copycat their rants with no prior digestion.

And then the one time Cornfed gets a real woman (ie. not a mere figment of an extremist's imagination) to talk to him and smile at him, he's all excited and posts that, after all, AWs are not all that bad. If he had been out and explored life a bit more, by now he would have gotten one of them "good girls" without much of a problem. Failing that, all he and his lot can do is sit back in their basements, eat pizza and regurgitgate someone else's opinions as if they were the ultimate axiomatic truth.

This is the part of your post that I take objection to. How can you say that Cornfed would have gotten one of these "good girls" if he had only explored life a bit more, when these "good girls" are less than 1% of the female population of america? The odds of meeting such a woman are heavily against us, to say the least. The majority of western women that we are forced to deal with in our daily lives are robotic drones who treat us with total indifference, that's why it's so refreshing when you meet a free-spirited, feminine woman who actually seems happy to see you. Hence, I can understand why Cornfed made that thread about the nice woman from his highschool days that he bumped into.

You chastise these guys for supposedly regurgitating someone else's opinions, and basing their opinions on extreme stereotypes, and then you go right ahead and regurgitate the stereotype that we are all guys who sit in our basements and eat pizza. LOL. That kind of shaming language is commonplace on sites like HA and MGTOW, and it means nothing to us. It doesn't effect us. You need to be a bit more mature than that, or else people will just see you as part of the problem, instead of part of the solution.

[S_Parc]

publicduende, what you don't seem to get is that a lot of fellas are mad. There simply aren't enough decent American women for most guys to have of a sense of a positive feedback loop, by their mid-20s.

I'd almost bet that if you'd had my sister, as a sibling, chances are, you'd despise AWs even more than myself, as she'd be a constant reminder of an underachieving, lifelong drama/entitlement queen. Now, the fact that I'd compartmentalized my rage towards my sister and started dating abroad, since the age of 24, was almost revolutionary, a decade ago in my Boston area social circles.

At the same time, understanding the differences between someone growing up in the States vs South America, I can't find a one size fits all model of what works and what doesn't. Relationships, families, etc, are very complicated and what American guys are socialized to do is perform at sports, academics, and work. On the other foot, American women are trained in the art of self-indulgence and making life hell for a guy.

[publicduende]

This is the part of your post that I take objection to. How can you say that Cornfed would have gotten one of these "good girls" if he had only explored life a bit more, when these "good girls" are less than 1% of the female population of america? The odds of meeting such a woman are heavily against us, to say the least. The majority of western women that we are forced to deal with in our daily lives are robotic drones who treat us with total indifference, that's why it's so refreshing when you meet a free-spirited, feminine woman who actually seems happy to see you. Hence, I can understand why Cornfed made that thread about the nice woman from his highschool days that he bumped into.

That being exactly my point. He managed to find one good woman, and he would find many more if he took more effort, instead of whining about the state of American/Anglo/Western women.

You chastise these guys for supposedly regurgitating someone else's opinions, and basing their opinions on extreme stereotypes, and then you go right ahead and regurgitate the stereotype that we are all guys who sit in our basements and eat pizza. LOL. That kind of shaming language is commonplace on sites like HA and MGTOW, and it means nothing to us. It doesn't effect us. You need to be a bit more mature than that, or else people will just see you as part of the problem, instead of part of the solution.

Considering the kind of language Cornfed and All That Is Man have been using against me and, more shamefully, against my wife, calling her a whore just because she had two boyfriends before meeting me, I think my stereotypes have been very lenient indeed. You say I am shaming or trying to shame the individuals above. Yet, even considering the context of HA, how much respect can I have towards people whose entire posting life is devoted to running into the same groove of sexist/racist stereotypes without even trying hard enough to check them out in first person? What if the good girls were 2%? Or 10%? And even then, what if for some arabesque of destiny you could be lucky enough to find one of them at some point in your life? Wouldn't that be enough of an incentive to get out of that friggin' door and look for her? And failing that, why haven't Cornfed and All That Is Man paid a visit to the non-P4P part of the Philippines (pretty much everywhere but Clarke)?

[publicduende]

publicduende, what you don't seem to get is that a lot of fellas are mad. There simply aren't enough decent American women for most guys to have of a sense of a positive feedback loop, by their mid-20s.

So another thing I don't get to is: why are these people not booking a flight to one of these dating paradises (Thailand, the Philippines, etc.) and forcing the kind of telluric change of perspective on dating and social life they so badly need? Masochism and sadism (at least verbal, against people like me) will get them nowhere on the scale of useful life improvements.

I'd almost bet that if you'd had my sister, as a sibling, chances are, you'd despise AWs even more than myself, as she'd be a constant reminder of an underachieving, lifelong drama/entitlement queen. Now, the fact that I'd compartmentalized my rage towards my sister and started dating abroad, since the age of 24, was almost revolutionary, a decade ago in my Boston area social circles.

At the same time, understanding the differences between someone growing up in the States vs South America, I can't find a one size fits all model of what works and what doesn't. Relationships, families, etc, are very complicated and what American guys are socialized to do is perform at sports, academics, and work. On the other foot, American women are trained in the art of self-indulgence and making life hell for a guy.

I don't know your sister (although you could always post a pic ) and I don't want to judge her. I never judge people and pigeonhole them without having at least had a cursory impression of them, and I mean individually and face to face, each and every one of them in person.

I applaud your courage in dating abroad several years ago, possibly before the social phenomenon of dating hell started to be written about. However, and I don't know if I am wrong to say this, don't you think the entire forum is unnecessarily biased towards the US and the other first-tier Anglo countries (UK, Australia, etc.)? The world doesn't revolve around the US and the British Isles, not anymore at least. There should be absolutely nothing else between someone's sterile online ranting and a place where they can find themselves happier and more free, than the few mouse clicks required to buy a cheap flight. Then I see that less than 20% of US citizens own a passport, and I understand how much you guys are prone to sit back and moan, rather than do something about it, as you eminently did.

[S_Parc]

I think part of the reason why this forum revolves around the USA/UK former empire nations is that it's sort of the epicenter of the social earthquake known as *messed up modern western* women. So as a student of tectonic tremors, New England hasn't had a killer earthquake since the revolutionary war whereas California seems to catch a nasty one every 15 to 20 years, so I'd imagine that a lot of earthquake buffs would be talking more about California than let's say Boston, whenever they get together.

As for the nastiness of forum members, I think a part of that is age & experience. If I were let's say 23, after enduring the first series of lousy AW experiences & prior to my first experience abroad, and some fella kept talking about the Love Boat and how he's achieved eternal happiness, I'd probably be more mad than happy for him. But now that I'm at the end of that tunnel, it doesn't phase me. In fact, if I'd grown up in a better household, I'd probably be saying those same exact things about my Brazilian ex-gf today.

As to why these guys just don't book a flight ... well in America, we're conditioned to be afraid. Just look at movies like 'Taken', where upon one's first visit to Paris, an American is kidnapped and sold off to an oil sheik. Thus, ppl think that the only safe place would probably be a legalized brothel in Australia (USA look-a-like country) and nowhere else. And then, given the backlog build up of sexual tension and perhaps, a puritanical antipathy towards p4p in Oz, a lot of confusion and rage.

[clowny]

Relationships, families, etc, are very complicated and what American guys are socialized to do is perform at sports, academics, and work. On the other foot, American women are trained in the art of self-indulgence and making life hell for a guy.

Great points. I think people actually need to be TRAINED to be marriageable. In the past, girls were raised to be marriageable and taught wifely skills. They don't make women like they used to.

Just look at movies like 'Taken', where upon one's first visit to Paris, an American is kidnapped and sold off to an oil sheik.

Have you seen the film "Hostel"? I always had an eerie feeling about that film. I have a suspicion that it's a piece of propaganda film-making designed to make american men fearful of going abroad and meeting foreign women.

[publicduende]

I think part of the reason why this forum revolves around the USA/UK former empire nations is that it's sort of the epicenter of the social earthquake known as *messed up modern western* women. So as a student of tectonic tremors, New England hasn't had a killer earthquake since the revolutionary war whereas California seems to catch a nasty one every 15 to 20 years, so I'd imagine that a lot of earthquake buffs would be talking more about California than let's say Boston, whenever they get together.

I agree, US and UK are the cradles of women's right movements and feminism, but by no means the only nations that experienced a cultural and sexual revolution. Take France's 68 for example. It was no less deep and long-lasting a phenomenon, and yet, when the tide backed off, it certainly didn't make women less feminine, sweet intriguing and sexy. I adore French women, as I adore Italian women, Italy itself having experienced a much watered down (due to the heavy influence of the Catholic church and Atlanticism-backed Catholic parties) cultural revolution in the mid 70s.

But there's more. As a debate on the state of women, socialising and dating them across the world, HA definitley tips towards the negative, depressive end of the scale. As an (intellectually) honest seismologist, I will have studied both areas of intense activity as well as areas where earthquakes are an absolutely rarity. Not to get lost in the metaphor, why talking less about the nastiness of American or Anglo women and more and more about the qualities of traditional girls in Europe, Asia, Africa, etc. Of course people have a tendency to overemphasize their despair and frustration over the search for a meaningful solution to their problem, yet...c'mon, we're not whining boys, most of us are adults, capable of self-criticism and self-healing actions.

As for the nastiness of forum members, I think a part of that is age & experience. If I were let's say 23, after enduring the first series of lousy AW experiences & prior to my first experience abroad, and some fella kept talking about the Love Boat and how he's achieved eternal happiness, I'd probably be more mad than happy for him. But now that I'm at the end of that tunnel, it doesn't phase me. In fact, if I'd grown up in a better household, I'd probably be saying those same exact things about my Brazilian ex-gf today.

See, this is another thing I have never been able to understand. Unless I have an interest in being against somebody whose benefit (or happiness) translates directly in my loss, I could be nothing but happy to hear from someone with a satisfactory social or love life, who wants to share it. That is purpose that brought me here. I looked at the "happier abroad" manifesto and thought I was a good fit. Little knew, at the time, that the kind of ongoing debate veered much more towards masochistic rants than proactive moves towards that happier abroad goal. If some of you guys see me as a "love boat" kind of guy, it could well be the same reason why I (and a few people who see life as I do) see them as hopeless moaners.

As to why these guys just don't book a flight ... well in America, we're conditioned to be afraid. Just look at movies like 'Taken', where upon one's first visit to Paris, an American is kidnapped and sold off to an oil sheik. Thus, ppl think that the only safe place would probably be a legalized brothel in Australia (USA look-a-like country) and nowhere else. And then, given the backlog build up of sexual tension and perhaps, a puritanical antipathy towards p4p in Oz, a lot of confusion and rage.

Well, if that's the case, then the problem lies not in the conditioning from Hollywood and mainstream media, but the fact you guys seem to have lost the critical sense and the innate curiosity which usually compel people to explore and discover, even when the risks are not fully understood. You may watch the first couple of instalments of the Hostel franchise and conclude that Slovakia is not a place worth visiting, and so on. Yet I have two good friends who are married or engaged with Slovakian girls and they're just as happy as they should be. Suspension of belief is all good during those two hours of projection, but then sense and sensibility should be exercised to come down to earth again!

[abcdavid01]

Those were some great observations about socialization S_Parc.

Even Japan experienced a cultural revolution in the late 60's. Murakami writes about it frequently.

Of course I'd rather be a "loveboat" kind of guy, even as a young person. I get more depressed than angry. Better to have fallen in love foolishly than not at all.

Complacency is no way to live.

[S_Parc]

Of course people have a tendency to overemphasize their despair and frustration over the search for a meaningful solution to their problem, yet...c'mon, we're not whining boys, most of us are adults, capable of self-criticism and self-healing actions.

I'm not sure many ppl feel like they can heal themselves. I've seen many wounded persons, walking about in society, believing that that's their lot.

See, this is another thing I have never been able to understand. Unless I have an interest in being against somebody whose benefit (or happiness) translates directly in my loss, I could be nothing but happy to hear from someone with a satisfactory social or love life, who wants to share it. That is purpose that brought me here. I looked at the "happier abroad" manifesto and thought I was a good fit. Little knew, at the time, that the kind of ongoing debate veered much more towards masochistic rants than proactive moves towards that happier abroad goal. If some of you guys see me as a "love boat" kind of guy, it could well be the same reason why I (and a few people who see life as I do) see them as hopeless moaners.

Starting from the *walking wounded* to a healthier state of mind takes some time and also, the ability to assert that this reality is one's own and not just a place where one has a position, is also challenging.

Well, if that's the case, then the problem lies not in the conditioning from Hollywood and mainstream media, but the fact you guys seem to have lost the critical sense and the innate curiosity which usually compel people to explore and discover, even when the risks are not fully understood. You may watch the first couple of instalments of the Hostel franchise and conclude that Slovakia is not a place worth visiting, and so on. Yet I have two good friends who are married or engaged with Slovakian girls and they're just as happy as they should be. Suspension of belief is all good during those two hours of projection, but then sense and sensibility should be exercised to come down to earth again!

That's partly why I'm here. I'd like to be that person, who's been there/done that, but at the same time, isn't caught up in happily ever after resolutions either. In a sense, I want to be the reversal to Dustin Hoffman's role in 'The Graduate', where in place of being in the movie, I can already see that scene on the bus, where Katherine Ross and him are blankly starring off into space because in effect, it's his decision in the moment ... w/o perspective, which got him there. I would have instead, been happily b@inking Anne Bancroft, cloak & dagger style , while working on plastics

And Anne Bancroft is seriously hot

[publicduende]

Those were some great observations about socialization S_Parc.

Even Japan experienced a cultural revolution in the late 60's. Murakami writes about it frequently.

Of course I'd rather be a "loveboat" kind of guy, even as a young person. I get more depressed than angry. Better to have fallen in love foolishly than not at all.

Complacency is no way to live.

I wouldn't put my hand on the fire, but from what I have read, Japan's "cultural revolution" was probably just an echo of the flavour and glamour coming from England, the US and France. It did do something to reawaken a few minds to themes such as energy efficiency, ecology and social equality, though. In what measure, it's hard to tell. Murakami is one example of themes that would be considered "liberal-leftwing" in European circles. Another notable example is Hayao Miyazaki and his strong apologies of socialist and ecologist ideas, see Nausicaa and Mononoke, Porco Rosso, etc. I have given up to frame Japan and Japanese society into the basic structure of Western political ideologies long time ago. They have a completely different approach to life which doesn't fit any of the stereotypical definitions we have over here.