Winston's Chinese dream girl! Is she attainable?

[kai1275]

Some of those photos are photoshop.

Your best bet is to go to China and see for yourself ..I mean the thing with loveme is that they sometimes use as someone mentioned bait and switch pictures. I don't know how many they do but the best thing to do is go to China.

Plus Winston ..don't you have a family now to take care?

If they touched up anything in her photos, it was not enough to make any sizable difference. Also knowing Chinese women and men, they would never Photoshop an ass. If anything they may have made it look smaller to suit their tastes along with her thighs. If they did, Rock would have had a mental breakdown and cried.

You gotta know your region. Just like I outlined in my Online Dating Guide, photoshopping issues need to be based on region. Where is that gal from? What is normal for them to photoshop? A Latin American woman's ass can almost never be believed in an online public picture.

Chinese women photoshop their faces and skin to be blemish and acne free as well as super white. A few like to enhance breasts, but that is not very common because almost every bra sold in China's store comes jammed packed with cushions for push up effect.

So when you look at young Chinese girls, expect super white skin, no acne, and push up bras. That's all!

With older Chinese women expect Whiter skin, very white teeth, photoshopped hair, no wrinkles on legs, skinny legs, strange looking coke bottle shapes sometimes, perfect forearms, etc. etc. If anything older women make it alot easier to spot frauds because they have too many things to fix or they just try to fix too many things when they probably look good just as they are.

[kai1275]

Her options are endless

I don't know if I can agree with that. Let me throw some numbers at this:

There's only 1Million millionaires in China, or 0.1% of the populace.
However, let's consider a worst-case scenario. Suppose each one of them is a single male and heavily monopolizes/spoils 10 girls or so. That's 10 million of the hottest girls.

There's about 100 million girls aged 20-30



According to this, these rich guys have taken the top 10% of girls. Which really paints a bleak picture.

But I argue, there's still 90 Million candidates for the rest of us. Numerically speaking, you should still be able to get plenty of "9"s.
It can't be that bad, a lot better than back home LOL, both in quantity, and quality.

Having said that, I'd be more concerned about all the non-rich extra dudes in the market...

Her options are endless and not endless at the same time.

Endless depends upon her own personal standards. She is hot enough and young enough now to get a top notch Chinese guy, but like I said earlier, she is a little bit common for a Changsha girl. I saw many that looked like that there. Some working at food joints, hotel front desks, walking around the Technology mall area. Most were not her height though, she is also taller than the average Changsha/Hunan man too. The problem with China is that you could be super hot, but if you are not seen by the right guy at the right time, you could get passed over even if your standards are low. If she told me she gets very few to no approaches each month, I kinda would not be shocked either because of where she lives.

If she were to go to Beijing or Shanghai her chances of getting scooped and hand-cuffed go up exponentially because she will be that hot unspoiled gal from the smaller countryside province. Over there, the rich guys in Hunan are not exactly hot looking dudes. They may have cash, etc. but they have tons of hot ones to pick from. Rich young Chinese guys might be more likely to chase a rich 6 or 7 before a super tall 9 from a poorer family that has little to no guanxi. I know too many who have done this. Their family will give them shit if they don't try to marry up and may not support it and threaten to disown or hurt someone. Middle-upper Chinese men get alot of pressure about WHO they marry, not what they marry. Marrying up has almost nothing to do with beauty to them.

[kai1275]

Here is an example of these girls:

http://weibo.com/shaitogether

You will need to register on Weibo to see all the rest of the pics.

Here is a sample:

[droid]

she is a little bit common for a Changsha girl. I saw many that looked like that there. Some working at food joints, hotel front desks, walking around the Technology mall area. Most were not her height though, she is also taller than the average Changsha/Hunan man too. The problem with China is that you could be super hot, but if you are not seen by the right guy at the right time,

Great kai, thanks. makes sense.
I noticed over there that some of the local "taste" includes height in girls, from seeing their ultra-tall models, etc. But height is something some of us are not really into necessarily.
I'm saying, differences in taste might actually leave some other windows of opportunity..

Anyhow, what you describe, to me, is p-paradise.
It's a heck of a lot of difference when compared to our chump-ridden dating wasteland.


On a side note, I hate it when they do the west-mimicking, like in the picture you posted, with random English words, etc. why? how dumb.
It 'd be better if she was in a short qipao on a traditional Chinese setting etc.

[kai1275]

she is a little bit common for a Changsha girl. I saw many that looked like that there. Some working at food joints, hotel front desks, walking around the Technology mall area. Most were not her height though, she is also taller than the average Changsha/Hunan man too. The problem with China is that you could be super hot, but if you are not seen by the right guy at the right time,

Great kai, thanks. makes sense.
I noticed over there that some of the local "taste" includes height in girls, from seeing their ultra-tall models, etc. But height is something some of us are not really into necessarily.
I'm saying, differences in taste might actually leave some other windows of opportunity..

Anyhow, what you describe, to me, is p-paradise.
It's a heck of a lot of difference when compared to our chump-ridden dating wasteland.


On a side note, I hate it when they do the west-mimicking, like in the picture you posted, with random English words, etc. why? how dumb.
It 'd be better if she was in a short qipao on a traditional Chinese setting etc.

Height in models will always be a must anywhere in the world. Talking about regular Chinese men's taste in height: see this post: viewtopic.php?p=144619#144619. That thread sucks, I guess I should pull that out of there and into a new thread or put it in my guide. They like height to a degree but there are a few other things that always take a much higher preference.

Anyway, the random English word crap is the same shit Westerners do with Chinese symbols on their tattoos. They laugh at many of us that do that. Another culture's writing will always look interesting to another.

Yes China is a poosy paradise. Go in the summer. Stand on the sidewalks in the busy areas in Changsha and just watch all the hot young girls walking around in short skirts, dresses, shorts with umbrellas. Count all the 8-10s. Wear polarized sunglasses so they cannot see you eye rape them. You can do this in any semi-large Chinese city and see the same damn thing. Over and Over and Over. It never gets old either. The purest numbers game there is. Someone at RVF did some rough math, and there is maybe ~350,000-400,000 or so hot not fat women in the US. I bet China has 10 million+ at least (6-10s). 50 million would not be too unbelievable.

If you want any Chinese woman to wear a qipao, become their boyfriend first and then ask them to wear one for you. Now that I think about it, that is a great "shit-test". Any Chinese woman that tells you no or never, immediately dump them. My wife wears them anytime I ask. One Chinese woman I dated showed me pictures of her wearing one, she was very traditional except for her addiction of RnB music. Most traditionally minded ones will not mind wearing them but you might have to ask first. Those things are tight and form fitting. A regular short skirt is less inhibiting of movement than a qipao. You are less likely to fight them over a p***y skirt than a qipao. If they gain a little bit of weight they may not be able to wear a specific one they have in their closet. Some few women have those qipao shirt/tops that look cool and there are even Winter style ones they can wear with tights. They also have these qipao dresses for everyday wear that are very nice looking, I bought my wife a few of those. You can find all of those on Taobao.com and buy them for her. Or make her buy them and wear them for you.

Most Chinese only wear qipaos for weddings, Spring Festival (Chinese New Year), tomb sweeping day, certain socialite parties, etc. So if someone is wearing a standard traditional one, others around them are probably looking at them wondering what the occasion is. It's like an African walking around in a full African outfit and there is no party or Church to attend. Or maybe almost an American in a tuxedo or a 3 piece suit with a vest walking around. It was common to dress like that in the 20's in both China or the US, but nowadays everyone likes wearing more practical things to wear everyday.

[zboy1]

Yes, China has many beautiful girls as Kai has mentioned; in fact, they're so numerous, I guarantee that I'll get withdrawal symptoms after I return home to the U.S. from China, this summer. LOL!

[Rock]

Winston asked me to comment on this. My initial thoughts:

1. Wow she is a Hunan girl, that is kinda TALL for a female. 5'7"! South Chinese girls are not that tall usually.
2. Very long slender frame with a DONK in the back. (rare if legit) (She looks like a gal Rock would love)
3. She is wearing a p***y skirt, nothing with that, but gave everyone a TASTE in the first shot!
4. Little to no photoshop on this one. A wonderful sign!
5. Her age is 21. Which explains numbers 3 and 4. She might be pretty immature.
6. Says she is an receptionist for a job. A Chinese girl like this in Hunan is a 9 minimum to Chinese men. She is hounded everyday and approached every week at least. If she has an asshole boss it's worse.
7. She probably went to a 2 year college. Which means she is still easy pickings for even your average Chinese guy. That also means she is probably serious about marriage too since she is not in a 4 year school.
8. I kinda wonder why she is looking for a foreigner. Not saying she is suspicious, but she needs to be vetted out heavily. I saw many like this in Changsha, and there are more of them than men walking around, so it is not too suspicious.

You cannot get all the intel you need from looking at photos. At a bare minimum I would make contact immediately, keep conversation simple and light and try to get as much intel lightly as you can for at least a week. Then get a bit more aggressive towards finding out if she is bonafide trophy wife material. A gal like this is NOT for all men. She knows it too. A man too old will need a ton of game and paper to catch this one if she is not smart. Otherwise she would be like some of the other 9's walking around with a skinny jeans wearing, good looking Chinese guy, that is dead broke. She obviously is too smart for that.

Nice catch on this one Winston. I just hope no one else beats you to the punch now that you gave it away.

Her description starts with "As you can see I have a perfect body figure that is so soft and enjoyable to cuddle up next to. Hehe... Do you want to feel that? I am a smiling girl and easy to get along with everyone." Sounds like something a high-class escort would publish in her profile. And the racier photos exposing her rack...hmm...sure girls in China are so open-minded? It would be just too good to be true!

Some of it's lost in translation Duende. Certain Chinese girls flirt like that but it doesn't mean they are easy or for sale. Don't take it too seriously. By Chinese men's standards, she is near perfectly shaped and she knows it. But of course to Rock's standards, her hips are too narrow and she's a bit top heavy. Maybe she could use a bit of thigh thickening too lol.

I think her breasts are the result of a push up bra, but I could be wrong. Something 80% of Chinese women are really into. That said, Hunan women with large chests are not uncommon. My wife has a D cup. Women in the South have bigger chests, especially Guangzhou women.

Her a** is what is uncommon. Only Guangzhou women have asses like that, but even out of the ones with nice donkeys, relatively very few are THAT pretty as well. Also Guangzhou women have amazing muscular/thick/Chun Li legs and thighs to go along with them. It's exceptionally rare to see one that big in proportion to waist/stomach that flat as well.

Kai, you've discussed the physical specs commonly found in various provinces and areas of China. So apparently, you pay a lot of attention to such details and do some sort of macro compiling in your head. So let me ask you, which area of China would you have the best chance of finding Chinese girls similar in body shape to the 2 images below.

This girl happens to be 5'8" but let's say 5'6" and above combined with this sort of pear shape - relatively narrow shoulders, small to medium breasts, wide hips, firm round butt, and thick thighs. Now she also happens to have proportionally short legs (esp. lower legs) but she still looks quite nice to me. Of course longer legs would be even better.

China seems to have a lot of girls with pretty faces, a fair number of whom are tall. But when they say a girl is 豐滿 in China, it seems to invariably mean she is top heavy as opposed to having serious hips and booty like you sometimes can see with Taiwan girls. Top heavy, especially those who are apple shaped, looks a lot worse IMO than just being a bit too thin. Big breasts are highly overrated lol.

But, the diet in some areas of China has become richer and more carb heavy as of late. Is a new breed of girls more in line with Rock's fetish taste emerging and if so, what part(s) of China would they be most commonly found?

[Rock]

What if a guy speaks a regional dialect well? Would he be well-received by locals speaking the same regional dialect? Let's say if a guy spoke Taiwanese or any other variant of Hokkien and started picking up girls in Xiamen, Zhangzhou, and Quanzhou (or somewhere else in coastal southern Fujian) would he actually be well-received there? I heard if you speak Taiwanese and start to converse with the southern Fujianese locals in Taiwanese, it's almost as if they open up to you as one of their own. (Since Taiwanese Hokkien Min Nan is almost 95-99% similar to Quanzhou-Zhangzhou Hokkien Min Nan, and somewhat similar to Teochew, that it's semi-intelligible with Taiwanese) Or maybe an overseas Teochew guy starts to pick up girls in somewhere like Shantou or Chaozhou (in Guangdong province) speaking in Teochew.

Hmm, sounds like you're talking about Winston here. Winston, get over to Xiaman, tell us how it really, and keep the video cam rolling.

[kai1275]

Winston asked me to comment on this. My initial thoughts:

1. Wow she is a Hunan girl, that is kinda TALL for a female. 5'7"! South Chinese girls are not that tall usually.
2. Very long slender frame with a DONK in the back. (rare if legit) (She looks like a gal Rock would love)
3. She is wearing a p***y skirt, nothing with that, but gave everyone a TASTE in the first shot!
4. Little to no photoshop on this one. A wonderful sign!
5. Her age is 21. Which explains numbers 3 and 4. She might be pretty immature.
6. Says she is an receptionist for a job. A Chinese girl like this in Hunan is a 9 minimum to Chinese men. She is hounded everyday and approached every week at least. If she has an asshole boss it's worse.
7. She probably went to a 2 year college. Which means she is still easy pickings for even your average Chinese guy. That also means she is probably serious about marriage too since she is not in a 4 year school.
8. I kinda wonder why she is looking for a foreigner. Not saying she is suspicious, but she needs to be vetted out heavily. I saw many like this in Changsha, and there are more of them than men walking around, so it is not too suspicious.

You cannot get all the intel you need from looking at photos. At a bare minimum I would make contact immediately, keep conversation simple and light and try to get as much intel lightly as you can for at least a week. Then get a bit more aggressive towards finding out if she is bonafide trophy wife material. A gal like this is NOT for all men. She knows it too. A man too old will need a ton of game and paper to catch this one if she is not smart. Otherwise she would be like some of the other 9's walking around with a skinny jeans wearing, good looking Chinese guy, that is dead broke. She obviously is too smart for that.

Nice catch on this one Winston. I just hope no one else beats you to the punch now that you gave it away.

Her description starts with "As you can see I have a perfect body figure that is so soft and enjoyable to cuddle up next to. Hehe... Do you want to feel that? I am a smiling girl and easy to get along with everyone." Sounds like something a high-class escort would publish in her profile. And the racier photos exposing her rack...hmm...sure girls in China are so open-minded? It would be just too good to be true!

Some of it's lost in translation Duende. Certain Chinese girls flirt like that but it doesn't mean they are easy or for sale. Don't take it too seriously. By Chinese men's standards, she is near perfectly shaped and she knows it. But of course to Rock's standards, her hips are too narrow and she's a bit top heavy. Maybe she could use a bit of thigh thickening too lol.

I think her breasts are the result of a push up bra, but I could be wrong. Something 80% of Chinese women are really into. That said, Hunan women with large chests are not uncommon. My wife has a D cup. Women in the South have bigger chests, especially Guangzhou women.

Her a** is what is uncommon. Only Guangzhou women have asses like that, but even out of the ones with nice donkeys, relatively very few are THAT pretty as well. Also Guangzhou women have amazing muscular/thick/Chun Li legs and thighs to go along with them. It's exceptionally rare to see one that big in proportion to waist/stomach that flat as well.

Kai, you've discussed the physical specs commonly found in various provinces and areas of China. So apparently, you pay a lot of attention to such details and do some sort of macro compiling in your head. So let me ask you, which area of China would you have the best chance of finding Chinese girls similar in body shape to the 2 images below.

This girl happens to be 5'8" but let's say 5'6" and above combined with this sort of pear shape - relatively narrow shoulders, small to medium breasts, wide hips, firm round butt, and thick thighs. Now she also happens to have proportionally short legs (esp. lower legs) but she still looks quite nice to me. Of course longer legs would be even better.





China seems to have a lot of girls with pretty faces, a fair number of whom are tall. But when they say a girl is 豐滿 in China, it seems to invariably mean she is top heavy as opposed to having serious hips and b***y like you sometimes can see with Taiwan girls. Top heavy, especially those who are apple shaped, looks a lot worse IMO than just being a bit too thin. Big breasts are highly overrated lol.

But, the diet in some areas of China has become richer and more carb heavy as of late. Is a new breed of girls more in line with Rock's fetish taste emerging and if so, what part(s) of China would they be most commonly found?

The only women that looked like that anywhere in China would be Guangzhou. I remember seeing 3 women in the subway and 1 in the subway shopping mall area that looked like that body wise. Only 1 had a face like a 7.5 to 8 at best. All 3 made me drop my jaw though. The thickest one was walking around with an African. Definately was an Irizarry type of gal, maybe on the edges of your tastes. All 4 of them had ass like this one too and neither woman was under 5'7" as well. That was the reason I dropped my jaw. None of them had big tits. Large A and maybe a B cup I seem to recall. Didn't look at that part long enough to be honest for obvious reasons. None of them looked older than 30.

I saw many more that were shorter and had bodies like that, but the donkey was a little on the flat side. All those GZ women have the trademark muscular-ish legs too. Those powerful looking calves. Like that picture Xiongmao took of that lady in the purple dress.

One time in Beijing I saw a slimmer version of this, and the girl was 5'11" with athletic clothes on. That gal was a stunner in the face too. You could tell she probably played basketball just by her clothes, and gear. She was an easy 9.5+ (Absolute 10 in my book) I would also say, that a chick like that would be a hard chase for even a well put together laowai.

I have seen pictures of girls from Harbin. That's why I told you before in a previous conversation, you might want to check that place out too, because they looked like that girl I saw in Beijing body and hair wise.

[kai1275]

The reason GZ would have women with ass like that is because they have sweets like French, German, pastries, etc. food and Cantonese food itself has sugar in many dishes. Cantonese people love sweets. They like milk based stuff too. You can find awesome Western food in GZ unlike other places in China, except for Shanghai of course. Non-Cantonese Chinese people hate sweets, that is why they are so damn skinny.

If you wanted a gal with a body like that, good luck. GZ would be the only place and you would have to search pretty damn hard because you want one with some height on her and they don't have alot of that going around. You might also look at a strategy of stealing one from an African guy. Shouldn't be too hard for you, but some of those cats have money (trade business), plenty height, and game as well. The one I saw in the subway with that thick and tall one, chunked the duece back at me when I threw one at him. He was smooth and cool as f**k. He had on a nice outfit and expensive looking sunglasses. Just saying...

[kai1275]

Yes, China has many beautiful girls as Kai has mentioned; in fact, they're so numerous, I guarantee that I'll get withdrawal symptoms after I return home to the U.S. from China, this summer. LOL!

You will. As soon as you get off that plane and some tall fat assed American puts his ass in your face, you will get angry. When you see a fat ass kid run into you without saying excuse me or sorry, you will get angry. When you see 18-35 year old women that look like land whales, with a bitchy looking piss face look at you like you do not belong in your own country, you will get angry.

That said, the first thing you are going to want when you get back is a HUGE f***ing hamburger.

[Rock]

That said, the first thing you are going to want when you get back is a HUGE f***ing hamburger.

Sorry but that image you posted (intentionally not re-posted in this reply) is DISGUSTING, absolutely gross - one of the building blocks of those creatures you see way too many of in the States.

[Rock]

The reason GZ would have women with a** like that is because they have sweets like French, German, pastries, etc. food and Cantonese food itself has sugar in many dishes. Cantonese people love sweets. They like milk based stuff too. You can find awesome Western food in GZ unlike other places in China, except for Shanghai of course. Non-Cantonese Chinese people hate sweets, that is why they are so damn skinny.

If you wanted a gal with a body like that, good luck. GZ would be the only place and you would have to search pretty damn hard because you want one with some height on her and they don't have alot of that going around. You might also look at a strategy of stealing one from an African guy. Shouldn't be too hard for you, but some of those cats have money (trade business), plenty height, and game as well. The one I saw in the subway with that thick and tall one, chunked the duece back at me when I threw one at him. He was smooth and cool as f**k. He had on a nice outfit and expensive looking sunglasses. Just saying...

So actually some sugar and other junky type of food is good for creating feminine lower body curves in Chinese women. You know, in Phils. all the junk food seems to yield is top heavy body types and flab lol. These wonderful sexy specimens can only be created with a combination of the right food and genes.

The one I posted last was a bit extreme. Here's another one who's less exaggerated. She's 5'7".



Do a decent percentage of girls in Guangzhou approach this spec. or even slightly slimmer but with the same proportions (more size and meat in lower body)? What about in Changsha? Bone structure (shoulder width vs. hip width) and body fat percentage both play a role. I can also appreciate women who are not so pear shaped (as long as not apple) but who are tall and have proportionally long legs, especially if they are somewhat overweight. An overly slim 5'11" model type is not really my cup of tea either. That kind of gal would be better suited to a basketball player or rich guy.

I've encountered curvy girls in Bangkok who have 'gone African' lol. In my experience, once they get into that world, it's hard to pull em' out lol. However, I do know a girl like that in Taiwan who was only hanging out with and dating black Africans for a few years but then recently got engaged with a white German dude. So I guess about anything can happen. Who knows, Winston may even seriously date or marry a girl like the one from his Feb. 22, 14 post in this thread lol.

[droid]

Those rear shots were completely unnecessary. C'mon don't give people an excuse to say we're "creeps" in here.

Actually one of my complaints to most members and Winston himself is that you guys post HUGE pictures of girls, for the whole internet to see. And I would guess many of those girls (which were actually nice to you) didn't agree to it. I would suggest posting smaller pictures, perhaps 320x200; they can still get the point across, while being kind to the subject. just sayin'...

[Rock]

Those rear shots were completely unnecessary. C'mon don't give people an excuse to say we're "creeps" in here.

Actually one of my complaints to most members and Winston himself is that you guys post HUGE pictures of girls, for the whole internet to see. And I would guess many of those girls (which were actually nice to you) didn't agree to it. I would suggest posting smaller pictures, perhaps 320x200; they can still get the point across, while being kind to the subject. just sayin'...

Sorry to offend your sensibilities. If I have breached posting guidelines, I will take them down (with Kai's help of course since he copied one in his response). Mods can let me know whether or not these are violations.

Rear shots were necessary for me to illustrate the aesthetic I was talking about. I've described it in detail many times before but a picture is worth a thousand words. Furthermore, I wanted to show that certain Chinese girls actually do have this body type.

As for small vs. big, I don't get the distinction. It's still the same photo more or less. So either it stays or goes. I like to use larger photos cus they are easier to see.

Rear shots hide identity which is critical. There are not tatoos or other distinguishing features so girl becomes anonymous. With the front shot, you will notice that I've blocked-out the whole face to keep identity hidden.

With this forum's current history, I think certain people will say we're "creeps" no matter whether or not I post these photos. If you wanna please that bunch, we've got a lot of deleting to do!

But for case of these photos, I'll leave it up to forum policy and comply with whatever Winston says.