Filipina MYTHS

[davewe]

9- He is not so stupid as to consort with or marry bar-girls.

10- If he ever violates #9, he is not so f-ing stupid as to bitch about it in blogs or forums.

If guys followed #10 there wouldn't be much activity or fun left on HA

[newlifeinphilippines]

@newlifeinphilippines, here is something along the lines you have been trying to get across:

http://ulyssesulysses.hubpages.com/hub/ ... xperiences

When you understand their underlying motives and agenda for what they do and why, then it all makes sense.....which is all the more reason to avoid them if a long term relationship is what you are looking for.

If your not extremely careful in the Philippines your going to get scammed for sure and you'll be mad as hell when you find out. If you can't find a Filipina you can trust your going to lose a lot of money.

There's several reasons this happens to foreign men.

1. The guy is drinking too much
2. The guy is overconfident
3. The guy can't tell a hooker from a normal Filipina
4. The guy wants to get laid within 2 hours of his flight landing
5. The guy assumes a woman likes him because she's easy
6. The guy has never had a successful long term relationship before
7. The guy has banged too many hookers in the past
8. The guy finds the sexiest woman he can instead of finding one he can trust
9. The guy doesn't understand Filipino culture
10. The guy believes Filipina sob stories, dying grandma, lost her job etc...

Any Filipina that asks for money or sex after just meeting them is a scammer.

nurse girl claims she would have gone to my hotel "for a lon talk lol" if i didn't have a girlfriend. Was she a scammer? I suspect she was cause she had been blown out by a foreigner before and loved him even though he wasn't serious. Some guys would neve suspect she was a scammer but i got the huge gold digging vibe from her in person and from her history. She even said she loved money and loved traveling and called me chinese cause i ddint' caer about money or spending on constant vacations. So you have to be careful of educated girls who just want a easy way out with no work then divorce your ass when you get there.

[steve55]

Well, newlife, you have the right to your opinion, but after 8 trips and a 3 month stay, I think Winston is spot on. Yes, you are right if you are saying that in general, poorer lower class girls are far easier to get and in general are more open to wanting to date foreign guys. But even so, it's still very feasible to find middle to middle upper class girls in the Phils. I've been able to get dates quite easily with nurses, teachers and other professionals in the Philippines who have enough money to not be desperate to leave he Philippines or want your money or green card. What we are saying is that it's a hell of a lot easier meeting attractive women with great values (oh, and note the 20% divorce rate when you marry a filipina too!) than it is back home in America (50-60% divorce rate) minus the stuck up entitlement attitudes. And before you start too much into about how the only reason they will like you is because of money or green card, wtf do you think American women want? Come on man, American women are much much much worse about only dating men who have money or a good job. Filipinas , whether lower or middle class will accept you as long as you work , are a good husband and arnt a lazy bum. Not so with American women who demand a $60k + income just to date a guy.

And about age, you are 100% wrong in my opinion. I have done extensive personal research and questioning of Filipino men and girls on this age difference issue over 10 years! And every time, I was told by Filipinos that Filipinas do generally prefer older men (10-15, or even 20 yrs older) and dont mind even larger age differences. Newlife, how do you explain that at filipina dating sites like cherry blossoms that half or more of the girls list a preferred age range of their match in which they list the minimum age of their man as at least 10 years older? If all they wanted was any man to take them away to the US and any man with enough money to support them , then why would they even bother listing any age range at all? Right? Just take a look at these examples of girls listing MINIMUM ages for their match. http://www.globaldatingsolution.com/a-c ... d-men.html

It befuddles me that assuming you live in he Philippines, that you have this opinion as you do. It's amazing how two people can experience the same thing yet come to two very different conclusions. The only part myself and Winston will agree with you on is how the middle high to high class girls in general are harder to find and are much less interested in foreigners but still, some will be.

[newlifeinphilippines]

@newlifeinphilippines, here is something along the lines you have been trying to get across:

http://ulyssesulysses.hubpages.com/hub/ ... xperiences

When you understand their underlying motives and agenda for what they do and why, then it all makes sense.....which is all the more reason to avoid them if a long term relationship is what you are looking for.

If your not extremely careful in the Philippines your going to get scammed for sure and you'll be mad as hell when you find out. If you can't find a Filipina you can trust your going to lose a lot of money.

There's several reasons this happens to foreign men.

1. The guy is drinking too much
2. The guy is overconfident
3. The guy can't tell a hooker from a normal Filipina
4. The guy wants to get laid within 2 hours of his flight landing
5. The guy assumes a woman likes him because she's easy
6. The guy has never had a successful long term relationship before
7. The guy has banged too many hookers in the past
8. The guy finds the sexiest woman he can instead of finding one he can trust
9. The guy doesn't understand Filipino culture
10. The guy believes Filipina sob stories, dying grandma, lost her job etc...

Any Filipina that asks for money or sex after just meeting them is a scammer.

LOL yeah i been guilty of the whole sex after airport landing equation. Thats how i met my girlfriend and that was my arrangement with my bargirl before that. Unfrountaley you get low hanging fruit that way.

my girlfriend wanted to move in upon airport landing (before we had met she wanted to) and i do TRUST her ive keylogged her and she deleted her stuff without me asking. but her situation is different she doesn't have a solid real family in te picture so now i understand why she did. i was wondering why when i met her she didn't come off as cheap and was shy. She wasn't experienced either most of the guys on this forum had girls way more experienced and horny then she was yet she moved in and sex me right away (cause i pushed it lol).

but yes i think in general alot of these girls giving sex right away are just gold diggers or liars. but not all some are just horny and know you want sex quickly or come from a bad situation.

[newlifeinphilippines]

ive always said guys living there have a different method that guys staying there only temporarily (even for months). Your sex starved and want isnant sex off teh plane and you dont have time to court great women thats valuable time lost. Guys on short vacatiosn go for hoes. Guys on medium term vacations go for low hanging fruit (Like me). guys living here or willing to stay here very long should go for long courting of quality women.

If a person is living here i would imagine its much easier to take your time and court good girl after good girl. I dont have time to court a good girl find out she is a lousy lay or we dont click and then move on to find another. Since there is not many quality women in the philippines (in my opinion) that interest me id have a boring vacation.

[newlifeinphilippines]

Well, newlife, you have the right to your opinion, but after 8 trips and a 3 month stay, I think Winston is spot on. Yes, you are right if you are saying that in general, poorer lower class girls are far easier to get and in general are more open to wanting to date foreign guys. But even so, it's still very feasible to find middle to middle upper class girls in the Phils. I've been able to get dates quite easily with nurses, teachers and other professionals in the Philippines who have enough money to not be desperate to leave he Philippines or want your money or green card. What we are saying is that it's a hell of a lot easier meeting attractive women with great values (oh, and note the 20% divorce rate when you marry a filipina too!) than it is back home in America (50-60% divorce rate) minus the stuck up entitlement attitudes. And before you start too much into about how the only reason they will like you is because of money or green card, wtf do you think American women want? Come on man, American women are much much much worse about only dating men who have money or a good job. Filipinas , whether lower or middle class will accept you as long as you work , are a good husband and arnt a lazy bum. Not so with American women who demand a $60k + income just to date a guy.

And about age, you are 100% wrong in my opinion. I have done extensive personal research and questioning of Filipino men and girls on this age difference issue over 10 years! And every time, I was told by Filipinos that Filipinas do generally prefer older men (10-15, or even 20 yrs older) and dont mind even larger age differences. Newlife, how do you explain that at filipina dating sites like cherry blossoms that half or more of the girls list a preferred age range of their match in which they list the minimum age of their man as at least 10 years older? If all they wanted was any man to take them away to the US and any man with enough money to support them , then why would they even bother listing any age range at all? Right? Just take a look at these examples of girls listing MINIMUM ages for their match. http://www.globaldatingsolution.com/a-c ... d-men.html

It befuddles me that assuming you live in he Philippines, that you have this opinion as you do. It's amazing how two people can experience the same thing yet come to two very different conclusions. The only part myself and Winston will agree with you on is how the middle high to high class girls in general are harder to find and are much less interested in foreigners but still, some will be.

Ive always enjoyed your posts but I think your wrong.

Absolute B.S most girls dont like old unless they are gold diggers and dont care about you. Even the nurse girl i met didn't and kept telling me that! My current girlfriend doesn't either nor do many other girls ive asked! and I know when im older that ill have to accept that it will be p4p cause no legit girl will want an old guy so i can accept that reality now even though im not old. Taco and Mr.s and some others have also confirmed that they want young and if the gap is large its p4p not love. Most girls online are hookers and lazy gold diggers not looking for love so of course they want old they want a guy who will fall in love and become cuntstruck and quickly take them out. They know young guys wont fall for their b.s and/or be too poor.

And yes middle class women will be interested BUT they are either unemployed at the moment or huge gold diggers and would marry the first monger off a dating site that asked to marry them without barely knowing them. Sound familiar steve?

Its interesting you have a dating website like winston. So your biased.

[newlifeinphilippines]

The problem is there are many legit ones but you have to weed through a crapload of bad ones. And unless your living there its a tall order since i dont plan on marrying them anyways. Thats why many stick to low hanging fruit. Plus low hanging fruit are much more fun and easier to control. I guess i should be happy I had 2 girls who took care of me and gave me constant sex for all the many months i been in this country over 4 trips.


Im probably the richest guy on this board in terms of current income (making almost 13K a month) but the last thing i want is a gold digger cause i want to take my money and save and invest and retire in a few years And live simple for the rest of my life. That nurse girl for example, thats another thing she said it wasn't "expensive" to stay in phil when i said it was and she asked me why i want to retire. Basically in her mind she wanted me to work like a slave and spend al my money based on those responses and others I feel. Not the girl i want. I want to retire in a few years. Actually the whole experience has turned me off to classy girls (although i guess she wasn't classy or mature) but now im gonna assume educated girls have an agenda and its not out of love too.

Gonna go home and focus on my work in august. There will always be low hanging fruit to plow in the fuutre. Im wasting my time trying to court high quality fruit in asia cause its so damn hard to find that are willing to go for foreigners and i just dont have the time or aggravation to deal with doing that since i dont even live there and have to go home.

ive always said that if i was living there it would be different cause you can take your time. all the time in the world.

[Hero]

ive always said that if i was living there it would be different cause you can take your time. all the time in the world.

+1. My biggest obstacle to finding my dream girl(s) has been time. My most recent trips (to the Dominican Republic and the Philippines) each lasted about 10 days and they were a waste of time and money. My new plan is to save as much money as possible as quickly as possible so I can leave the USA and start a new life elsewhere.

[newlifeinphilippines]

ive always said that if i was living there it would be different cause you can take your time. all the time in the world.

+1. My biggest obstacle to finding my dream girl(s) has been time. My most recent trips (to the Dominican Republic and the Philippines) each lasted about 10 days and they were a waste of time and money. My new plan is to save as much money as possible as quickly as possible so I can leave the USA and start a new life elsewhere.

Thats my plan too. Im 32 but i could retire completely in about 10 years give or take if my income stays good that long (its risky), and if i live reasonably for the next 10 years (live at home in america), cut out travel for the next 5, invest some of my money to keep up with inflation, and plan to live modestly for the reest of my life. I dont need an extravagant lifestyle just enough to live comfortable (lower middle class) for 1 person. In my retirement plans ill assume if i have a kid or marriage with a woman (big if LOL) she will carry her weight financially enough that it wont tap into my budget side for me. Hence my interest in "nurses". Unfortunately when you look for nurses and other girls of such type they appear to want you to spend EVEN MORE of YOUR money to feed their excitement. Now i know why guys go for the province girls or girls who are simple and never been with a foreigner before. Sometimes low hanging fruit is better. I dont even really care now whether the girl is educated or not they are bitches anyways. I just want a hot girl that treats me good doesn't expect a lot that i trust. Almost sounds like my current girlfiriend but not quite

even 6 month to 1 years trips might not be long enough if your looking for a quality woman on many fronts if your picky like me. The best ones aren't on the dating sites

[starchild5]

ive always said that if i was living there it would be different cause you can take your time. all the time in the world.

True. However, you could stay as long as you want, but their are certain social and professional boundaries that would be very hard to break into.

If you are an engineer/doctor the two professions Asians from India to China love ...It would be much harder to find a match as you can't just marry anyone off the streets aka low hanging fruits.

It looks simple from outside but even Asians find it hard to get a suitable match that easily. Its like Asians thinking why Americans can't find what they are looking for in a women, when they have money & green card as an added bonus..

The other reason, as you say low hanging fruits are easier for you is a doctor and engineer ..the top tier status in Asia are actively seeking other Asians themselves. Family honor, status becomes an Issue when you are born in Asia and if you are in some reputable position. It would be impossible to imagine lines of Filipino doctors marrying bar girl or sales girl or low hanging fruits for the sake of love, they seek doctors themselves, a business family will seek other business family for marriage.

The Professionals moreover have little time for dating and seek their mates in work environment itself.

THE BIGGEST FACTOR. Catch - 22. A Good, Strict, Moral Asian Family would want their kids to be either engineer or doctor or on a similar level, they sacrifice a lot for it. A good girl, whom we know comes from a good family would not have the window of opportunity to meet you easily. She will be never allowed to become a low hanging fruit to go unmoral ways of being a gold digger or a leech. A good Asian family seeks to educate their kids to become much better than them. One of the reason family values are very high in Asia.

This either Engineer or Doctor theme has been discussed here a lot and you would not understand the seriousness of it unless one is born into an Asian family, . Believe me, This is like the grand canyon and hoover dam level of depth and width when it comes to Moral values, Self respect etc of a family. These two professions divide much of Asia itself on many levels.

What you are seeking is on the other side and unfortunately, you do not have the background or are born into a situation that would allow you to ease into a very good Asian Family aka their daughter.

There are certain social structures that are unbreakable easily most of the time in Asia. Your posts are analytical with much feeling and thoughts behind it. You are rich and won't allow yourself to be taken advantage of by low hanging fruits, leech and gold diggers etc

You must remember Asia = Family. Asia runs on family first.

Now, How will you devise a plan to break into the social structure without being Asian yourself or born in Asia to have connection and family to seek other good families and girls. You are seeking that is not easy to achieve even with time alone, you do not have a qualified background either being an Asian engineer or Asian doctor to meet super good girl with a good family background.

You being a Super Good Guy with High Moral Standards seeks to meet other High Moral Girl which simply does not exists outside of a good family in Asia. How can you break this Catch -22 situation. The reason many of us are having so much frustration finding the right one is due to lack of connection or background to cross this boundary.

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We know there are other good girls too outside Doctor, Engineer range but this is the CREAM..Super Good...If you find this level of girl, (which I believe you should, having read your past posts and your level) you can just go blind with it all your life and still have everything intact not having to worry about being pushed when old, or taken advantage of by their relatives, sick family etc situations. How would you seek to cross this barrier.

[starchild5]

I'm not sure how much depth it will come from my above post as I'm Asian myself and English is not my first language, but believe me....You will keep on meeting low hanging fruits all your time in Ph in circles unless you shift gear and focus on family values also.

This.

A good daughter in Asia cannot come out of a bad family. Period. I think this is the case of much of the world too ..but much more so in Asia . Everything revolves around family here. Its a unit, you find out about a girls family, you found out everything about her.

Your current GF as you mentioned had a broken family and Nurse I'm not sure if you had written about her family, but ask what their parents are. her family background and things will become much clearer to you. With the level you have, I don't think you will be able to settle down with anything lower than engineer or doctor or at-least one family member who is an engineer or doctor level. That is the minimum threshold you need to cross that matches with your level.

As you are planning to settle down in Asia for good. Sex and Love alone won't work, you need to take Family of the girl into account as well inorder to be sure she is not leech, gold digger etc and you are finding the most problems with this issue...So i would suggest focus on girls family also a bit more....

A girl in Asia is zero outside her family and becomes a low hanging fruit, gold digger, leech etc..She has to, there is no support structure in place for women here as you have experienced with your girl. I think the problem is also about perception...Western Men Think not much of family background and take Asian girls have individual personalities etc..They would still have some, but nothing will matter to her more than her family as many have noted here.

If you want a real good girl..Just focus more on her family. A good girl will never dare disrespect her family by low life gold digging, leech actions

[OutWest]

ive always said that if i was living there it would be different cause you can take your time. all the time in the world.

True. However, you could stay as long as you want, but their are certain social and professional boundaries that would be very hard to break into.

If you are an engineer/doctor the two professions Asians from India to China love ...It would be much harder to find a match as you can't just marry anyone off the streets aka low hanging fruits.

It looks simple from outside but even Asians find it hard to get a suitable match that easily. Its like Asians thinking why Americans can't find what they are looking for in a women, when they have money & green card as an added bonus..

The other reason, as you say low hanging fruits are easier for you is a doctor and engineer ..the top tier status in Asia are actively seeking other Asians themselves. Family honor, status becomes an Issue when you are born in Asia and if you are in some reputable position. It would be impossible to imagine lines of Filipino doctors marrying bar girl or sales girl or low hanging fruits for the sake of love, they seek doctors themselves, a business family will seek other business family for marriage.

The Professionals moreover have little time for dating and seek their mates in work environment itself.

THE BIGGEST FACTOR. Catch - 22. A Good, Strict, Moral Asian Family would want their kids to be either engineer or doctor or on a similar level, they sacrifice a lot for it. A good girl, whom we know comes from a good family would not have the window of opportunity to meet you easily. She will be never allowed to become a low hanging fruit to go unmoral ways of being a gold digger or a leech. A good Asian family seeks to educate their kids to become much better than them. One of the reason family values are very high in Asia.

This either Engineer or Doctor theme has been discussed here a lot and you would not understand the seriousness of it unless one is born into an Asian family, . Believe me, This is like the grand canyon and hoover dam level of depth and width when it comes to Moral values, Self respect etc of a family. These two professions divide much of Asia itself on many levels.

What you are seeking is on the other side and unfortunately, you do not have the background or are born into a situation that would allow you to ease into a very good Asian Family aka their daughter.

There are certain social structures that are unbreakable easily most of the time in Asia. Your posts are analytical with much feeling and thoughts behind it. You are rich and won't allow yourself to be taken advantage of by low hanging fruits, leech and gold diggers etc

You must remember Asia = Family. Asia runs on family first.

Now, How will you devise a plan to break into the social structure without being Asian yourself or born in Asia to have connection and family to seek other good families and girls. You are seeking that is not easy to achieve even with time alone, you do not have a qualified background either being an Asian engineer or Asian doctor to meet super good girl with a good family background.

You being a Super Good Guy with High Moral Standards seeks to meet other High Moral Girl which simply does not exists outside of a good family in Asia. How can you break this Catch -22 situation. The reason many of us are having so much frustration finding the right one is due to lack of connection or background to cross this boundary.

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We know there are other good girls too outside Doctor, Engineer range but this is the CREAM..Super Good...If you find this level of girl, (which I believe you should, having read your past posts and your level) you can just go blind with it all your life and still have everything intact not having to worry about being pushed when old, or taken advantage of by their relatives, sick family etc situations. How would you seek to cross this barrier.

+100

If men on this forum actually paid attention to what you are saying here, it would change things for them. Instead, they violate most of what you say, and then wonder about the poor results.
I married an excellent Filipina, but NOT apart from her family. Her family is middle class at least,
and I have a lot of dealings with them. They are in our house weekly at least and both sides have gained in the relationship.

Bride raiding is problematic at best in Asia. As you say, to know her family is to know almost everything about her.

[newlifeinphilippines]

starchild if one is looking for a wife that would be good to take into consideration but not all of us are looking for one right now. Also Im at the pont now where i dont want high hanging fruit anymore the nurse girl kind of changed my attitude on that issue because she is giving me a glimpse of what a girl with some education and smarts acts like (even if she is not realy high hanging categorically yet it gave me a glimpse into some of the more educated filipina thought pattern). I went on a educated college girl from church last year and had the same issue she was critical condescending and frankly irritating and i ended it early she also was rather aggressive to me. Im ok with low hanging fruit if they aren't prostitues/hoes and they are hot. high hanging fruit women are too feminist and demanding etc for my tastes. I like to control and have women who are easy to please and treat me really good that wont cost me a fortune. I just want a regular woman who i can trust who doesn't ask a lot and who is very attractive and makes me feel appreciated. I dont want a career minded or ambitious woman or ill wind up with girls like the nurse girl who will want to spend mine and her money like no tommorrow, give me attitude and criticsm, and only wants to marry a guy so she can get a visa and start making money outside the country.

yeah my current gf comes from a bad family etc. but she is a nice person but a mooch. but would explain her laziness and lack of will to get a career.

nurse girl i found out had a bad dad really bad and is now dead. she didn't even cry at his funeral. so that would explain why she is so superficial and bounces from one foreigner to the next quickly. She had a very positive mindset and called me negative but i didn't find any substance with her it seemed superficial on a spiritual level she had no interest really in religion or anything of substance. I didn't get much of a romance feeling either just kind of shy and dull but talkative. I dont know i was getting bored of her talking after awhile and just wanted sex lol i hate just going off on long conversatiosn forever it gets old. She seems to have issues. Seems like the only girls that are intereste din foreigners have serious issues in their family if they are educated or are poor or both.

Even mR. s who lives here has touched on that same issue about some of teh educated women having serious mental or family issues and thats why they are lookign for foreigner.

[hammanta]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Here is how you can be successful in the Philippines.

Succeeding (1 or more will help)

starred ones are most important

1)Be average to good looking
2)Be 5'7" or more in height
3)Don't be fat
4)Have an outgoing personality
5)Youth 20-45
6)Being physically fit
*7)Be outgoing, interactive, and adventurous
*8)Be genuinely interested in the culture
*9)Have realistic standards. If you are a 4 don't expect getting a 10. Same goes with age. There are plenty of late twenty, early 30 YO girls that foreigners pass up on simply because they aren't 19 or 20.
*10)Form a social circle

In my opinion number 7 and 10 are the most important. Get out and do something, meet people, get a hobby. My god I've been to the Philippines 3 times for a total of around 3 months in duration, and I have probably 40+ filipino friends on Facebook, many of which I've met simply through a girl I met on online dating or through friends of other friends. I have a filipino family that allows me to stay with them and they love having me. We talk and chat all the time. I have connections which allows me to meet more people, more girls.

I mean for many guys like myself, Newlifeinphilppines, we enjoy this place and love it. You are entitled to your opinion but don't blast every other opinion because you aren't having any luck. You've said it yourself, you concentrate to much on sex, you let your girlfriend mooch off of you, you aren't attractive, you aren't social or outgoing, you lack confidence, etc. All of those can be fixed to a certain extent but you have to work on those. Stop blaming filipinas and start looking at yourself. And if you can;t do that then move back to America and see how miserable you will really be.

[Maverick]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Here is how you can be successful in the Philippines.

Succeeding (1 or more will help)

starred ones are most important

1)Be average to good looking
2)Be 5'7" or more in height
3)Don't be fat
4)Have an outgoing personality
5)Youth 20-45
6)Being physically fit
*7)Be outgoing, interactive, and adventurous
*8)Be genuinely interested in the culture
*9)Have realistic standards. If you are a 4 don't expect getting a 10. Same goes with age. There are plenty of late twenty, early 30 YO girls that foreigners pass up on simply because they aren't 19 or 20.
*10)Form a social circle

In my opinion number 7 and 10 are the most important. Get out and do something, meet people, get a hobby. My god I've been to the Philippines 3 times for a total of around 3 months in duration, and I have probably 40+ filipino friends on Facebook, many of which I've met simply through a girl I met on online dating or through friends of other friends. I have a filipino family that allows me to stay with them and they love having me. We talk and chat all the time. I have connections which allows me to meet more people, more girls.

I mean for many guys like myself, Newlifeinphilppines, we enjoy this place and love it. You are entitled to your opinion but don't blast every other opinion because you aren't having any luck. You've said it yourself, you concentrate to much on sex, you let your girlfriend mooch off of you, you aren't attractive, you aren't social or outgoing, you lack confidence, etc. All of those can be fixed to a certain extent but you have to work on those. Stop blaming filipinas and start looking at yourself. And if you can;t do that then move back to America and see how miserable you will really be.

To be fair, that list doesn't sound much different than the list to get girls in the US.