Photos of Hot, Cute, Sexy Girls I met in Angeles City, Philippines!

[Mr S]

It's very difficult to find a quality girl here in the Philippines, that is my opinion. Most have low education or no critical thinking skills and have little to talk about outside the immediate reality of the Philippines. I would say only around 10% of the population would be deemed 'partner' material or an all-around partner that has multiple skills in different areas of life. Most of the guys that come here for girls are of the blue collar type or work in a trade. There are some business guys but they pretty much can separate their bar night entertainment woman from normal ones. Usually they are dating a normal girl and screwing around on the side for fun in the bars.

If you have a masters degree or doctorate or other professional degree I would say don't bother trying to find a decent woman here cause it's near impossible unless your standards are low in the looks department or your willing to deal with typical feminist shit found in America. Wealthy woman here in the Philippines tend to be dominant so if your not the submissive type than dating one isn't going to work out. Actually most of the woman here once they get into a relationship with you try to dominate the guy to see what they can get aways with. It's just that woman with money technically don't need a man so they tend to think they can be the boss. The older the woman is the worse it gets.

I interview the cream of the crop here in the Philippines on a regular basis and get to see a lot of educated woman and talk to them. There aren't that many I would bother with, most of the good ones are trying to immigrate to other countries anyways so all the uneducated leftovers will be around in the coming years. Basically the education system is such shit here that when comparing it to a western one you have to drop down one notch their education level. For example if they graduated high school it would maybe be only equivalent to reaching 8th grade. If they graduated university that would only be equal to finishing high school. If they have a masters that would maybe be the same as getting a bachelors degree. Any doctorate or professional degree is really only about the level of a masters in a western country unless they got their degree overseas or gained additional training in a foreign country. Most of the decent professionals are leaving the Philippines in droves on a monthly basis. The only ones staying are the ones with poor English skills or have other obligations that make them have to stay in the country.

The Philippines is going to be a really f***ed up place 10-20 years from now as they have no one qualified to teach the next generation and their society is going to just keep getting worse, not better.

Personally I wouldn't bother getting involved with a Filipina as a long term GF or wife, too many issues not worth dealing with over a long period of time. Find other woman from different countries, that's my opinion. They are okay to hang around with on a short time basis but long term they have too many negatives going for them to consider being a proper house wife. Most of the younger woman can't even cook or do house hold chores! Especially if they come from a rich family, so they are little different from western girls in that respect. They are generally lazy too and won't keep their bodies looking good as they age, they just rely on nature so if it goes it goes with them. Also they have nothing to really talk about, they will bore you to death in the long run.

I'm more of the intellectual and rational type so this may be why I can't find a decent girl here cause most of the population is more emotional and has little to say of relevance in a conversation. If you don't mind having a girl that is overly emotional and has trouble thinking independently and making her own decisions about various subject matter than ok be with a Filipina. But most guys married to one that live here in Philippines specifically hang out at bars because they want to meet and talk to foreigners. Mainly cause their GF or wife has nothing to say so they need to find people that can stimulate them intellectually.

I've been living here for over 5 years now and traveled to all the major cities here in the Philippines. It's all the same wherever you go. Those decent educated girls from the the Philippines that are dating material are most likely already in the western country you are trying to escape from: Canada, UK, New Zealand, Australia, Ireland & USA. Hang around some of the major hospitals in one of the bigger cities and you'll find Filipinas originally from the Philippines. Chat them up, they may be a better catch than traveling all the way to PI to attempt to find a decent girl.

I've already given up on girls from PI and to a lesser extent other Asian countries; I'm looking ahead to eastern Europe or South America as I haven't had many experiences with the woman from those areas. Asian woman yes, and I know what package they bring to a relationship. I'm not so sure I want to sign for it at this juncture in my life...

And yes, some of the prettiest girls do end up whoring themselves out cause they have no other options. Over 60% of the population is considered poor and many of these girls are pushed into the bar industry to support their families, especially if they are older. They will sacrifice their life to see that their younger brothers and sisters get their education and don't have to sell their bodies for money. It's sad but that's life here in PI. Decent education is not provided by the government here so there are little realistic options for the poor to get out of poverty. You can find nice girls in the bars that could be dating or wife material if you have low standards but they could never truly function properly in a western society for the most part. I think most guys messing around with bar girls and marrying them have low education and self esteem themselves or are at an age where they are older and can't get girls under 25 in their own countries so they will settle for a girl from PI, even if she was a bar girl. The bars here don't feel like brothels so a newbie guy won't really get the impression it's prostitution cause the girls are so nice to customers they like and treat them like BF's, better often then how a normal girl would treat you in the west and only after one night!

This is the seduction of places like Philippines and Thailand, the naughty nightlife can fool westerners into thinking that it's not prostitution cause it doesn't feel like western style prostitution. However if you got a good head on your shoulders and decide to live in either Thailand or Philippines you'll start realizing that its not what it appears to be and it's just a slick way of selling skin that's more lucrative than in western countries. With some guys it doesn't take long, others it takes years to break out of the fake reality they present to guys. It took me a few years to actually wake up and realize nothing decent really comes out of the bars if your looking for a GF or wife. It's ok for fun just like any titty bar would be in a western country, but getting serious with a girl from there is a huge risk and 9 out of 10 times the relationship will not work out in the long run if you come from a respectable background.

(Plus women in Philippines can sense bar girls, they have a sixth sense about it. So if you try to date one and bring her around the mall or regular places you will get stared at cause everyone knows a working girl, trust me this is the truth! I used to do that and never payed attention but now I would never run around with a bar girl in broad daylight if you have any kind of good reputation you want to keep!)

[Repatriate]

It's very difficult to find a quality girl here in the Philippines, that is my opinion. Most have low education or no critical thinking skills and have little to talk about outside the immediate reality of the Philippines. I would say only around 10% of the population would be deemed 'partner' material or an all-around partner that has multiple skills in different areas of life.

I would say that about any place in the world. I believe that once you take into consideration attractiveness, education, and most importantly personality and compatibility there are usually only 10% left out of any pool of women.

I have met quite a few Filipinas abroad and I don't quite see what the appeal is. They seem to adore western culture and adopt the worst aspects of it (pop media worship) while excluding the best aspects (education, critical thinking, and individuality) Also Filipinos in general have this inferiority complex that can be a rather annoying attribute.

If you have a masters degree or doctorate or other professional degree I would say don't bother trying to find a decent woman here cause it's near impossible unless your standards are low in the looks department or your willing to deal with typical feminist shit found in America.

One major turnoff i've seen in Filipinas is that they tend to be very opinionated and kind of ignorant as well as loud mouthed in a way that's highly unappealing.

Most of the decent professionals are leaving the Philippines in droves on a monthly basis. The only ones staying are the ones with poor English skills or have other obligations that make them have to stay in the country.

The Philippines is going to be a really f***ed up place 10-20 years from now as they have no one qualified to teach the next generation and their society is going to just keep getting worse, not better.

Also they have nothing to really talk about, they will bore you to death in the long run.

From what i've seen of the brain drain abroad i'm not too impressed with the "cream of the crop" if this is what they are. I do think the Phillipines is really f***ed though. They have the worst possible situation out of most SEA nations aside from maybe Myanmar. I'd say maybe even Myanmar is better since they can at least retain hope that one day the junta will fall. Whereas the political and educational complacency is rooted deep within Filipino culture.

[Mr S]

It's very difficult to find a quality girl here in the Philippines, that is my opinion. Most have low education or no critical thinking skills and have little to talk about outside the immediate reality of the Philippines. I would say only around 10% of the population would be deemed 'partner' material or an all-around partner that has multiple skills in different areas of life.

I would say that about any place in the world. I believe that once you take into consideration attractiveness, education, and most importantly personality and compatibility there are usually only 10% left out of any pool of women.

I have met quite a few Filipinas abroad and I don't quite see what the appeal is. They seem to adore western culture and adopt the worst aspects of it (pop media worship) while excluding the best aspects (education, critical thinking, and individuality) Also Filipinos in general have this inferiority complex that can be a rather annoying attribute.

If you have a masters degree or doctorate or other professional degree I would say don't bother trying to find a decent woman here cause it's near impossible unless your standards are low in the looks department or your willing to deal with typical feminist shit found in America.

One major turnoff i've seen in Filipinas is that they tend to be very opinionated and kind of ignorant as well as loud mouthed in a way that's highly unappealing.

Most of the decent professionals are leaving the Philippines in droves on a monthly basis. The only ones staying are the ones with poor English skills or have other obligations that make them have to stay in the country.

The Philippines is going to be a really f***ed up place 10-20 years from now as they have no one qualified to teach the next generation and their society is going to just keep getting worse, not better.

Also they have nothing to really talk about, they will bore you to death in the long run.

From what i've seen of the brain drain abroad i'm not too impressed with the "cream of the crop" if this is what they are. I do think the Phillipines is really f***ed though. They have the worst possible situation out of most SEA nations aside from maybe Myanmar. I'd say maybe even Myanmar is better since they can at least retain hope that one day the junta will fall. Whereas the political and educational complacency is rooted deep within Filipino culture.

Yup! You understand them perfectly! I wish more people could see through the propaganda about them and be realistic about their faults. I think some countries though have higher percentages of potential dating and marriage material, but the longer I stay here in this country and other 3rd world countries it becomes less likely I could ever have any kind of a solid long-term relationship with a woman from these types of countries. I'm not someone to have to settle for second best. I use time as an advantage to improve myself. I really think guys who settle for 3rd world girls are lowering the bar for themselves and just settling for what they can get cause of the ease of it. Yeah, the girls are good looking when they are young but most woman are decent looking under 25, it's just they are poor and desperate so guys with money look like an easy ticket out of their misery.

Since I have been obtaining my masters degrees and will start a PhD program in another year I really have no interest in the women that surround me here in the Philippines. I think if I want a relationship I am still young enough to find a higher quality woman to get into a relationship with from another country. I'll probably shoot for Europe and see what happens. I'm attempting to gather ancestry records that proove my Irish lineage which will entitle me to Irish citizenship and thus a EU passport to live and work anywhere in the EU legally if I wish.

Unlike Winston, I'm mainly stuck in this country cause I'm fighting a legal battle trying to get custody of my daughter. I had a brief fling with how Benjamin Franklin would call, "a low woman", and now I'm paying the price economically, mentally and emotionally. Don't ever get involved with someone from a low social class and education level from yourself cause if it doesn't work out and you have children involved, your life will be a living hell trying to reason with the mother. Various viewpoints of looking at reality and what is best for the child is at stake and we don't see eye to eye on almost anything. Right now she has run off to the province with my kid and I don't know what the hell she is doing. The legal system here is f***ed up also so it's not much help with immediate answers. It may take up to 2-3 yrs to settle this thing if she keeps running around avoiding to confront the situation. I'm just doing it for my daughters sake cause I know her life will be shit if her mother is in charge of her life.

Anyways if you have decent self-esteem for yourself don't get involved with girls from 3rd world countries, have fun with them casually only. The only exception to this would be if you live in the country long term, such as over a year or longer then maybe you can weed out the undesirables and find one that might be willing to learn and change, thus you can mold her to a higher potential possibly.

[gmm567]

SO wonderful post on the negatives of the philipines. Very insightful. I wonder how you would compare
the situation here in the United States. I know you've said before that you thought the dating situation was
horrible here.

Please, I 'd be very interested to learn more about how you assess the United States vis a vis women, dating , marriage.

[Mr S]

Well I'll post some quick thoughts here and maybe expand upon them at a later time. To be honest I've never had a problem finding American woman to date when I put the effort into it, but most of them would not be considered overly good looking. Most would be chunky or really thin with no curves. There always tended to be something physically negative about them that opened them up to not having a long-term partner in their life. Some had kids also which was a no-no for me at the time. I've been out of America for around six years now so I'm sure things would be different now considering I am now in my mid-thirties and probably would have a difficult time pulling woman under 25. Usually woman think you are weird or have issues if your over thirty, never been married or had a steady relationship long term. I doubt I would fare that well if I moved back to the states unless I lived in a large city or lowered my standards considerably. With the internet more popular than it was when I left I guess I could go trolling for girls online more than I did in the past. I still relied heavily on phone chatting numbers when I was in the states. They work good when you need to find girls that put out, it just may take a while and some money spent in the process. I suppose the internet makes it much easier now.

Girls in the Philippines are easy to chat with and hook up with but they become very clingy and annoying very quickly, especially once you sleep with them. They tend to want to move into a relationship right away and then try to control your life to see how much shit you'll put up with. If you are a dominant type you will have many arguments with your GF before she either submits to you or you break up. Most Filipinas seem to be dominant over their husbands that's why so many drink and go to girly bars if they can afford them. But really most have nothing to say about anything so after having sex wears off with them there is not much else to do with them. Most can't contribute in a western country economically unless she has a western mindset, most do not. I wouldn't bring one back to live with me in the states unless she was highly educated and came from a family with money. Poor girls with low education will get bored in a western country and either want to go back to PI or cheat on you with some guy they think is more exciting behind your back. They are highly sexual woman but they aren't very adventurous in the bedroom so trying out new positions and stuff that she ain't used to can be a challenge. If you want to find girls who do porno stuff better off going to Thailand.

One other thing is that in the Philippines people have a crab mentality where they will attempt to pull down people who are more successful than them, especially if they know them personally. So you have to deal with that crap if your involved with a lady from PI. People will attempt to sabotage your relationship anyway they can. I'm dealing with that right now as there are people trying to stop me having a relationship with my own kid because I'm a foreigner who has money and education, which equals success. They would rather destroy an innocent child's life to thwart my personal success than see people continually succeed and surpass their current existence status. It's unreal how everyone is in everyones personal business here in this country. They are fakers most of them, fake smiles and hello's. Little different from other Asian countries, they just mask it differently.

Yeah I'm already jaded with the Philippines. So what?

[Nate]

Well I'll post some quick thoughts here and maybe expand upon them at a later time. To be honest I've never had a problem finding American woman to date when I put the effort into it, but most of them would not be considered overly good looking. Most would be chunky or really thin with no curves. There always tended to be something physically negative about them that opened them up to not having a long-term partner in their life. Some had kids also which was a no-no for me at the time. I've been out of America for around six years now so I'm sure things would be different now considering I am now in my mid-thirties and probably would have a difficult time pulling woman under 25. Usually woman think you are weird or have issues if your over thirty, never been married or had a steady relationship long term. I doubt I would fare that well if I moved back to the states unless I lived in a large city or lowered my standards considerably. With the internet more popular than it was when I left I guess I could go trolling for girls online more than I did in the past. I still relied heavily on phone chatting numbers when I was in the states. They work good when you need to find girls that put out, it just may take a while and some money spent in the process. I suppose the internet makes it much easier now.

Girls in the Philippines are easy to chat with and hook up with but they become very clingy and annoying very quickly, especially once you sleep with them. They tend to want to move into a relationship right away and then try to control your life to see how much shit you'll put up with. If you are a dominant type you will have many arguments with your GF before she either submits to you or you break up. Most Filipinas seem to be dominant over their husbands that's why so many drink and go to girly bars if they can afford them. But really most have nothing to say about anything so after having sex wears off with them there is not much else to do with them. Most can't contribute in a western country economically unless she has a western mindset, most do not. I wouldn't bring one back to live with me in the states unless she was highly educated and came from a family with money. Poor girls with low education will get bored in a western country and either want to go back to PI or cheat on you with some guy they think is more exciting behind your back. They are highly sexual woman but they aren't very adventurous in the bedroom so trying out new positions and stuff that she ain't used to can be a challenge. If you want to find girls who do porno stuff better off going to Thailand.

One other thing is that in the Philippines people have a crab mentality where they will attempt to pull down people who are more successful than them, especially if they know them personally. So you have to deal with that crap if your involved with a lady from PI. People will attempt to sabotage your relationship anyway they can. I'm dealing with that right now as there are people trying to stop me having a relationship with my own kid because I'm a foreigner who has money and education, which equals success. They would rather destroy an innocent child's life to thwart my personal success than see people continually succeed and surpass their current existence status. It's unreal how everyone is in everyones personal business here in this country. They are fakers most of them, fake smiles and hello's. Little different from other Asian countries, they just mask it differently.

Yeah I'm already jaded with the Philippines. So what?

There is a lot of truth in what you say- the Philippines is in deep shit. A person living here and relying on locals for intellectual stimulation is out of luck usually. But most women under 25 are decent looking in the USA for example? Huh? Maybe somewhere, but certainly not the USA where fat now rules. It might be fair to observe that you also seem bitter due to the fact that you are now living with the consequences of what you admit were really bad decisions.
10% of Girls in the Philippines are potential partner material? That sounds a bit high, and certainly very high
for the USA where I would say perhaps 1 in 100 would qualify. Your description of the low quality of education in the
Philippines also sounds like much of the USA. The quality of education I see when I am in the USA is really idiotic with many of the high school and college institutions. It seems like a country living on its laurels.
Arizona's Goldwater Institute recently tested a large sampling of graduating high school seniors with civics and government
questions from the exam given US citizenship applicants. About 3% could pass the sample test. US citizenship applicants
pass this test with a first time success rate of about 67%. About half of college freshmen cannot identity "the large country directly to the south of the USA". The list goes on and on... a nation of nimrods run by nimrods will be the new norm as we spend our way into oblivion. In other words, if you are looking for a high concentration of dumb-asses, one can just stay in
the USA and enjoy a great selection.
In CDO (Cagayan De Oro) I once went down to a local cafe where expats gather every Saturday morning. What a bunch of
degenerate idiots. Typically in the Philippines I have learned to avoid expats like the plague. Many are disillusioned and bitter
about about things that are the results of their own own choices.
On average, men who marry a foreign bride are somewhat above average income and education, but what those numbers would be for just those from the Philippines I have not read.
Generally, if you want someone who will play chess with you and discuss continental philosophers, most filipinas are certainly not a good choice, kind of like most women elsewhere. If one wants children, of course a good question is this: How large does emotional intelligence loom ? Is finding one's intellectual soul mate in a wife very likely anywhere? Will that same brainly girl
also have emotional intelligence? Will she make a good mother?
Obviously the criteria for all of this would depend on the individual.
So if the Philippines is not for some guys, where would they turn? Europe? Possibly some of the Central European countries?
Latin America? I think most men would be disappointed in Latin American women. Chile and Argentina are quite a bit above
the rest of South America in Socio-economic terms and I have met desirable and intelligent young women in both countries, though if you are a middle age guy looking for a younger wife, they are less open to that idea in either country.
I did meet a very talented musician in Santiago who is also an amazing vocalist. She is multi-lingual, frequently performs in other SA countries and Europe, and is an excellent conversationalist. Her mother is a bit of a shrew, and I see those same tendencies in Katya. Life with her might be quite interesting, but would home life be very tranquil? I have my doubts.
A lot of the questions posed in this thread are riddles with no master key, only individual personal keys, so translating personal experience to general advice for others is quite difficult.



Nate

[Mr S]

Everything, she was never a Gf just a casual fling that I ended up knocking up by accident. It's hard to go into details but she has serious mental and emotional issues and on top of that comes from an extremely poor family and social class, only had a Filipino grade 8 education (which is probably like grade 5 or 6 in the states). Just overall she is screwed up in the head and trying to use my kid as a weapon against me and for easy money. Others around her know she isn't that bright so they use her to have her use me. It's all pretty retarded. I'm fed up with women here for the most part and don't even go out much anymore. Can't stand them really to be honest.

I'm jumping through the legal hoops right now but it's a bitch. If it works out and I can gain custody great but if not I have to face the facts that I can't deal with her mother and if she has sole custody somehow (who knows what a judge will do considering the illogical thinking they have here) I'll just have to give up on her cause I can't deal with all the shit she puts me through and she is just dragging me down into her shitty reality. It's really frustrating when you have to deal with a different social class, culture and mentality that you have nothing in common with. Normally I would have just walked away and had nothing to do with her ever again but if I don't attempt rescuing my kid from her clutches she will turn into a whore or get raped or abused or something. She won't have a normal life if her mother is running the show.

Fathers have no rights in Philippines either just like in the states. So if you think it's easier having a kid overseas, it ain't.

I've actually never had a real GF here in PI. I always knew the women here were kinda f***ed up and never got serious with any of them, even though I could easily do so if I chose. Now that this incident is rearing it's ugly head, I have absolutely no inclinations to be involved with a Filipina girl ever. I'll stay forever celibate if I have to than be long term with a Filipina woman! They are good for pump and dumps that's about it. Most can't even do simple household chores anymore, it's quite pathetic actually. And you thought American woman are lazy? Filipina woman are pretty lazy also. If you try walking somewhere they bitch and complain and want to ride a taxi or whatever. They don't generally want to put the effort into learning how to do something but would rather you do it for them. Most can't even cook basic foods. There are other things wrong with them also but I've already bitched enough about them and what else can I say that they just don't make good long-term GF's or wives. Trust me.

[Mr S]

Yeah I've come to realize that woman come the same way just wrapped in different packages depending on where they are from. I suppose you have to look at what your long term goals are in a woman cause one that will be just a GF, wife or a mother will have different attributes but generally not the same. You will sacrifice one for the other depending on your long term partner goals. I do realize I need a woman who can control her emotions and is more serious with life. I can't deal with out of control emotional woman who want drama in their lives. I don't need a brainiac on the same level as me intellectually, but someone who is mentally stable and will give me space and independence.

Anyways I don't technically need to be with a woman on a relationship basis 24/7. If I never had a long term relationship again with a woman it wouldn't bother me since I have other things in my life to satisfy my time. I can be alone and face the rest of my life with that decision if needed. I won't settle for any woman so if I never found a woman I could deal with on a daily basis that didn't annoy me I'll just live by myself and do my own thing.

I meant earlier that woman under 25 generally look better than woman over that age, even in the states. Yes I know most woman are fat now or chubby but the majority that are not are probably younger.

I was just making a broad statement that you could maybe marry 10% of the woman in the Philippines and it might turn out ok. Perhaps it's less. I think it just depends on ones perspective and realistic expectations in a relationship. Most people seem to get into relationships ans marriage cause they think it's what they are supposed to do and if they are alone then they must be a loser or something. I don't generally think like that and could care less hat others think of my love life or relationship status.

I don't get bitter over past decisions but I do get pissed off when I get blocked from making them right again. Because I'm in a foreign country that has limited properly functioning government my attempts at righting a wrong are being thwarted and it's aggravating. I've been able to control my life up to this point in one way or another good and bad decisions included, but now I'm stuck spinning my wheels like everyone else who has to deal with Philippine 3rd world mentality. I could just take off and not give a shit like some guys would but that's not really my character.

I think a guy losing his libido as he ages is a blessing in disguise, he doesn't have the urge to put up with female bullshit any longer. He can start focusing on more rewarding things in life. p***y warps the male mind and makes one do the stupidest shit to get laid, often with long-term consequences often not foreseen...Mine is still intact but doesn't have the same pull on my mind and actions as it did 10 years ago.

[Nate]

Mr S...

"I think a guy losing his libido as he ages is a blessing in disguise, he doesn't have the urge to put up with female bullshit any longer. He can start focusing on more rewarding things in life. p***y warps the male mind and makes one do the stupidest shit to get laid, often with long-term consequences often not foreseen...Mine is still intact but doesn't have the same pull on my mind and actions as it did 10 years ago."

You have in a few words outlined the biggest grief men bring to themselves....

[globetrotter]

These last few posts are excellent examples of Men, and many MRA"s, whose standards are so high that no single woman is enough.

Bitching about the RP - come on. You guys want the impossible. If you have lived in multiple countries, dated many women from different cultures and you STILL find that no woman is worth your while, and you are in your mid-30s or later Guess What?

You are just as bad as AW with infinitely rising expectations.

We have to live on Planet Earth and pick the best women from this planet not some imaginary land where the perfect woman exists.

America - not good enough.
PI - not good enough.
South America - not good enough.
Thailand - blah blah blah.

[Winston]

However, a "date" that begins with paying a bar fine is quite a different thing than spending time living in an area and mixing socially and culturally to the point that one is accepted by local families as the "proper material" to express interest in one of their daughters.

This is a very simple concept Winston seems not to understand, or is unwilling to understand. He has set the bar so low for himself that he seems to confuse dating women with paying a prostitute for sex. If the latter is his thing, fine, but this thread is misleading to say the least. A much better indication of his success with filipina women would have been to actually date and post pics of girls OUTSIDE the bar scene.

If there was one single salient point of criticism leveled at this site that I agree with this would have to be the one. I hope Winston will post some normal pics of normal Filipinas. I have seen some nice normal filipinas abroad but i'd like to see a good cross sample within the population of the Phillipines. I have nothing against the pay for play scene but Winston should really be clear on what direction he wants this site to head in.

If you look at the description above some of the pictures, I do say that they are NONbar girls or girls I met outside the bar scene in Angeles. Didn't you notice that? Not all the pictures in this thread are bar girls. Some are. Some aren't. Why is that hard for nuts like Swincor to understand? Swincor is highly INaccurate. Besides, I didn't say these girls were a cross representation of the Philippines, I said they were girls I met in Angeles, and obviously I'm taking the most attractive ones I met who were willing to have their picture taken.

I see plenty of hot girls passing by that are not in this collection too.

I do not urge people to be sex tourists here. I only present it as an option under the umbrella of "happier abroad". Not every guy is a sex tourist type. But many guys are happier abroad, as you are too. As I said on the home page, this site is about dating, social life and personal/psychological fulfillment overseas, and that's a broad area that includes sex tourism, romantic love, monogamy, friendships, self-esteem, etc. Sex tourism is just one option and lifestyle under that umbrella.

Don't you folks see that? Why is it hard to see the big picture?

FYI, I do plan to travel more. But right now it's so hot and humid that I wilt and tire easily and run out of breath. In that state, I can't even exercise or take a walk. I often stay home with the air conditioner on all day and night cause of that, and talking to you guys on here too. It's not easy staying out long when you tire easily and start losing breath as though the air is thin here. I kind of wilt in humid weather I guess. I'm not sure if it's hard to breathe properly here cause of the humidity and heat combined or because the air is really thinner here. So gimme a break please. Plus I'm busy with a lot of other things as well. Don't jump to conclusions based on your narrow view of everything. Consider the big picture.

[Winston]

There is a lot of truth in what you say- the Philippines is in deep shit. A person living here and relying on locals for intellectual stimulation is out of luck usually. But most women under 25 are decent looking in the USA for example? Huh? Maybe somewhere, but certainly not the USA where fat now rules. It might be fair to observe that you also seem bitter due to the fact that you are now living with the consequences of what you admit were really bad decisions.
10% of Girls in the Philippines are potential partner material? That sounds a bit high, and certainly very high
for the USA where I would say perhaps 1 in 100 would qualify. Your description of the low quality of education in the
Philippines also sounds like much of the USA. The quality of education I see when I am in the USA is really idiotic with many of the high school and college institutions. It seems like a country living on its laurels.
Arizona's Goldwater Institute recently tested a large sampling of graduating high school seniors with civics and government
questions from the exam given US citizenship applicants. About 3% could pass the sample test. US citizenship applicants
pass this test with a first time success rate of about 67%. About half of college freshmen cannot identity "the large country directly to the south of the USA". The list goes on and on... a nation of nimrods run by nimrods will be the new norm as we spend our way into oblivion. In other words, if you are looking for a high concentration of dumb-asses, one can just stay in
the USA and enjoy a great selection.
In CDO (Cagayan De Oro) I once went down to a local cafe where expats gather every Saturday morning. What a bunch of
degenerate idiots. Typically in the Philippines I have learned to avoid expats like the plague. Many are disillusioned and bitter
about about things that are the results of their own own choices.
On average, men who marry a foreign bride are somewhat above average income and education, but what those numbers would be for just those from the Philippines I have not read.
Generally, if you want someone who will play chess with you and discuss continental philosophers, most filipinas are certainly not a good choice, kind of like most women elsewhere. If one wants children, of course a good question is this: How large does emotional intelligence loom ? Is finding one's intellectual soul mate in a wife very likely anywhere? Will that same brainly girl
also have emotional intelligence? Will she make a good mother?
Obviously the criteria for all of this would depend on the individual.
So if the Philippines is not for some guys, where would they turn? Europe? Possibly some of the Central European countries?
Latin America? I think most men would be disappointed in Latin American women. Chile and Argentina are quite a bit above
the rest of South America in Socio-economic terms and I have met desirable and intelligent young women in both countries, though if you are a middle age guy looking for a younger wife, they are less open to that idea in either country.
I did meet a very talented musician in Santiago who is also an amazing vocalist. She is multi-lingual, frequently performs in other SA countries and Europe, and is an excellent conversationalist. Her mother is a bit of a shrew, and I see those same tendencies in Katya. Life with her might be quite interesting, but would home life be very tranquil? I have my doubts.
A lot of the questions posed in this thread are riddles with no master key, only individual personal keys, so translating personal experience to general advice for others is quite difficult.

Nate

There is truth in all this. But please look at the bigger picture and consider the variables. Like I said, different guys attract different types of people and experiences. Ladislav has made this point many times too. Different people also vibe differently too.

I've been told many times, even by Dianne, that I am very different from the other foreigners here, which is true. I'm unique anywhere I go in fact. But Angeles does attract the low loser types, and like Nate said, most expats here are kind of messed up and not worth knowing.

It is true about the lack of education and intellectualism in the vast majority of people here. But I vibe and have a connection with them that most don't have, that can't be described in words. It's not a mental connection of course, but more like a soul/comfort zone type of connection. Because of that, and because people here sense my calm tranquil vibe, I'm treated a lot better here than most are.

Despite all the pros and cons and obstacles described above about the PI, at the end of the time, I FEEL GOOD about myself here, and that's the bottom line. Sure I get annoyed by tons of incompetence and stupidity, as Mr S does, and we rant about it by cell phone text all the time, but each day and night, I FEEL GOOD about myself, like DiscoProJoe admitted in another thread here, and that's what's MOST IMPORTANT, at least to me. I'm sure Ladislav feels the same way.

Every place has different pros and cons, and things that will annoy you. That's all part of the package. Whether you like it or not overall depends on your priorities, values and personality.

So you shouldn't go too much by what others say.

But yeah I would say that overall, in terms of maximum pros with minimal cons, Europe is the ideal location. So I would suggest Mr. S try it out on his next vacation break from work.

PS - One more thing. Don't be too pessimistic about Filipinas. I haven't mentioned this yet, but Dianne and I never argue anymore. She's stopped being so controlling, and stopped checking my cell phone too. She is no longer angry and physical, but very calm and serene, and enjoys cooking and cleaning for me now. And she appreciates my good inner qualities even though I'm not rich. It's a HUGE improvement for sure. So, under the right conditions, people can change. I do see potential in her. You can even ask Ladislav about this. He has conversed with her in length when he visited me here in Angeles and he notices something "different" in her as well, compared to mainstream people here.

[Winston]

Everything, she was never a Gf just a casual fling that I ended up knocking up by accident. It's hard to go into details but she has serious mental and emotional issues and on top of that comes from an extremely poor family and social class, only had a Filipino grade 8 education (which is probably like grade 5 or 6 in the states). Just overall she is screwed up in the head and trying to use my kid as a weapon against me and for easy money. Others around her know she isn't that bright so they use her to have her use me. It's all pretty retarded. I'm fed up with women here for the most part and don't even go out much anymore. Can't stand them really to be honest.

I'm jumping through the legal hoops right now but it's a bitch. If it works out and I can gain custody great but if not I have to face the facts that I can't deal with her mother and if she has sole custody somehow (who knows what a judge will do considering the illogical thinking they have here) I'll just have to give up on her cause I can't deal with all the shit she puts me through and she is just dragging me down into her shitty reality. It's really frustrating when you have to deal with a different social class, culture and mentality that you have nothing in common with. Normally I would have just walked away and had nothing to do with her ever again but if I don't attempt rescuing my kid from her clutches she will turn into a whore or get raped or abused or something. She won't have a normal life if her mother is running the show.

Fathers have no rights in Philippines either just like in the states. So if you think it's easier having a kid overseas, it ain't.

I've actually never had a real GF here in PI. I always knew the women here were kinda f***ed up and never got serious with any of them, even though I could easily do so if I chose. Now that this incident is rearing it's ugly head, I have absolutely no inclinations to be involved with a Filipina girl ever. I'll stay forever celibate if I have to than be long term with a Filipina woman! They are good for pump and dumps that's about it. Most can't even do simple household chores anymore, it's quite pathetic actually. And you thought American woman are lazy? Filipina woman are pretty lazy also. If you try walking somewhere they bitch and complain and want to ride a taxi or whatever. They don't generally want to put the effort into learning how to do something but would rather you do it for them. Most can't even cook basic foods. There are other things wrong with them also but I've already bitched enough about them and what else can I say that they just don't make good long-term GF's or wives. Trust me.

Don't you think though, that even if you do win custody through the courts with the help of a great lawyer, that the mother will simply take your daughter and run away? There is an inseparable bond between mother and child, and if it comes to it, they will do whatever it takes. Put yourself in her shoes, wouldn't you do the same? Then you will have gained nothing and paid a lot in legal fees.

Perhaps you should ask the educated Filipinos on PinoyExchange.com forums for advice and options about this?

[Nate]

These last few posts are excellent examples of Men, and many MRA"s, whose standards are so high that no single woman is enough.

Bitching about the RP - come on. You guys want the impossible. If you have lived in multiple countries, dated many women from different cultures and you STILL find that no woman is worth your while, and you are in your mid-30s or later Guess What?

You are just as bad as AW with infinitely rising expectations.

We have to live on Planet Earth and pick the best women from this planet not some imaginary land where the perfect woman exists.

America - not good enough.
PI - not good enough.
South America - not good enough.
Thailand - blah blah blah.

I do make observations but I have NO complaints personally! Note my numerous compliments to my filipina GF who
I think I am lucky to have! Not only is she an absolute beauty, she is personable and charming and very appreciative of
anything that I do for her...she is always finding little ways to show kindness. I really cannot find any major fault with her.
There are really no problems with her family either. They are farmers, and have never asked me for anything, though I have
volunteered some help by times. It's true I dont have to deal with relatives on a daily basis as they live in Sulu, in fact in an
area that is considered dangerous, so I will go there rarely and then I go unannounced for short visits.
If one is looking for something good..and rare..well then..it will be rare! Who would have thought?
When I do return to South America, the Filipina GF will come with me...( it is possible with the right paperwork and finances)

And as far as filipinas living abroad, many of them are excellent in health care. They are not just nurses in hospitals, they are often among the BEST nurses you will experience. In addition, as immigrants, they are not gangbangers, but typically considered reliable employees. In my own experience, I use the services of a PHP code writer from in Cebu, who is also
quite capable and experienced in applications for security related biometrics. Of course the Philippines is a basket case...but there is still gold to be found as well.

And finally...much of the time..."We have met the enemy, and he is us!" applies...


Nate

[Winston]

I do make observations but I have NO complaints personally! Note my numerous compliments to my filipina GF who
I think I am lucky to have! Not only is she an absolute beauty, she is personable and charming and very appreciative of
anything that I do for her...she is always finding little ways to show kindness. I really cannot find any major fault with her.
There are really no problems with her family either. They are farmers, and have never asked me for anything, though I have
volunteered some help by times. It's true I dont have to deal with relatives on a daily basis as they live in Sulu, in fact in an
area that is considered dangerous, so I will go there rarely and then I go unannounced for short visits.
If one is looking for something good..and rare..well then..it will be rare! Who would have thought?
When I do return to South America, the Filipina GF will come with me...( it is possible with the right paperwork and finances)

And as far as filipinas living abroad, many of them are excellent in health care. They are not just nurses in hospitals, they are often among the BEST nurses you will experience. In addition, as immigrants, they are not gangbangers, but typically considered reliable employees. In my own experience, I use the services of a PHP code writer from in Cebu, who is also
quite capable and experienced in applications for security related biometrics. Of course the Philippines is a basket case...but there is still gold to be found as well.

And finally...much of the time..."We have met the enemy, and he is us!" applies...


Nate

Wow you must be truly blessed Nate. How is her intelligence? Does she provide intellectual conversation too? If so, in what way?

As to Filipinas abroad, if you ask them if they are happier in the US, they will not say "I am happier in America than in the Philippines". They will usually say "it's ok here" which could mean anything. I'm sure they like the money in the US but as to happiness and social life, that's a different matter.

In the US media they always show immigrants saying that they have a better life in America and more freedom and opportunity. But I've never heard them say that in real life. Feelings are usually mixed.