Why Do White Women Choose Europe to be Happier Abroad?

[kangarunner]

We all know why men go abroad. Better quality women. Freedom. Fun. Adventure. Where are the passport bros going? South America and Asia. Western Europe? Hell no. But what we don't know is the reasons why Western women are choosing to go abroad. What are their reasons?

I want to put this question on the forum. Obviously this is not the case for all white women, because I have seen (very few) videos of some Western women choosing countries in Asia to retire. But the majority of videos I see of Western women living abroad are them going to Europe, more specifically Western Europe (France, Germany, UK).

It's almost like the inverse of where men go.

Obviously we know that Western women do tour Asia, but I think this is mainly liberal women who are going on short trips to Asia just so they can think of themselves to be more worldly. To this day, I have no understanding to why white women would want to go to Asia. I've seen them in Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, etc. But how many of those women actually stay here long term? It's to my surprise that Western women don't look more miserable when I see them here in Asia. I would think that when they step off the plane and realize they are given no power that they would be in a hurry to get back home.

We know how men think when they go abroad but what exactly are Western women thinking when they go abroad. Two things come to mind: Power given to them by the system and soft men who will get down on one knee and supplicate to them (just like the fairy tale idea that is in their minds of the handsome knight on horseback wanting to serve a princess). In fact, that's probably the idea that most American women have in their minds. Thinking that the man should feel lucky just to be able to talk to a princess. If they only knew their level of entitlement, maybe they would get a clue.

Women go abroad and they want the same level of power that is given to them when they are at home in America. The reason they choose Western Europe to live abroad is because they're given all kinds of power in France and Germany. They would be given no power in South America or Asia.

On a good note, living here in Asia, I truly want to be nice to the women here because they are proper women. I have normal conversations with them. I've even made a friend with a woman on Facebook. Yes, just friends. I dread the day I will have to go back to America after being around normal, well-behaved women in Asia. It's so depressing having to look at American womens' judgmental eyes, sizing me up, looking at my faults as a man. All the bad memories. Being a red pilled, truth seeker in America is a lonely experience. American women look at a man and think, "I've earned multiple degrees and have a good job and a house. What does he bring to the table?". I can think of about two times in my life that women in America have shown a tiny amount of interest in me. I get depressed whenever I think about women in America. The best thing to do for any man in America is just ignore all women and make no interactions with them at all. And as the saying goes from the movie WarGames, "the only winning move is not to play".

[Shemp]

We all know why men go abroad. Better quality women. Freedom. Fun. Adventure. Where are the passport bros going? South America and Asia. Western Europe? Hell no. But what we don't know is the reasons why Western women are choosing to go abroad. What are their reasons?

Most USA men do not go abroad for better woman but for better prices. Plenty of high quality women in USA, including plenty of Asian women if that particular external appearance is important to a man. Competition in USA is fierce and part of that competition involves money. Run-of-the-mill USA man with $40K/year after tax income is a nobody in the USA. He certainly isn't going to attract swarms of beautiful 20yo girls to be his sugar baby, nor 25yo young women looking to settle down with someone who can support a family and children. Whereas that same $40K/year guy is a king in the more poverty striken areas of Phillipines or Colombia.

As for freedom, fun, adventure, there is plenty of that in the USA, for those with money. It's all about money. USA is simply frightfully expensive on the spending side. For example, I'm paying $100/night at the Motel6 in hideous highway pitstop of Blythe when I take a break from desert bicycle camping (my idea of freedom, fun, adventure) to go into town to buy supplies, take a shower and recharge electronics. Better quantity hotel in beautiful small town Spain would be 35€. Better quality hotel in beautiful small town Bulgaria would be 25€. Etc. Comparisons regarding medical expenses would be even more extreme. But USA incomes are equally elevated. So it makes sense for any USA location independent worker or retiree, with no strong family/friend connections in USA, to earn in USA but spend outside of USA. Geographic arbitrage.

Western and Central Europe is a very nice place to live, unless you want tropical climate, and cheaper than USA, so no wonder many USA men and woman who can afford it choose this region. I've spent many years in France, Spain and Bulgaria myself, for example. It so happens that I look for women in Eastern Europe, but I could also look in Western Europe. Main difference is price would be higher.

Women tend to be more concerned about crime, and all of Europe has very low crime (especially outside big cities), in comparison to Philippines or Colombia. Richer parts of Asia are also low crime but most of these places have difficult languages or immigration restrictions. Only Malaysia/Singapore are low crime and English speaking.

Most women typically do not have a big desire to be chased by hordes of lusty men, so this is not a factor in their decision. Those rare USA women who do want lots of lusty muscular men chasing them for sex, supposedly go to Jamaica or Gambia or other female sexpat destinations. Once again, money is the issue. Lots of handsome and muscular gigolos in the USA available for fat middle aged women hungry for sex, but price is much higher in USA than for beach boys of Jamaica and Gambia.

[kangarunner]

Plenty of high quality women in USA

More like plenty of roasties. LOL. Yes they're high in the qualities of arrogance, entitlement, female super-empowerment.

As for freedom, fun, adventure, there is plenty of that in the USA,

My idea of fun is being in a country where the majority of the women under 45 have long silky black hair, dress nice, have squinty asian eyes, and will talk to me. Being in Vietnam surrounded by these little black haired monkeys is a great way to reclaim the masculinity that was drained from my balls by the awful women in America.

Women tend to be more concerned about crime, and all of Europe has very low crime (especially outside big cities), in comparison to Philippines or Colombia. Richer parts of Asia are also low crime but most of these places have difficult languages or immigration restrictions. Only Malaysia/Singapore are low crime and English speaking.

Most women typically do not have a big desire to be chased by hordes of lusty men, so this is not a factor in their decision. Those rare USA women who do want lots of lusty muscular men chasing them for sex, supposedly go to Jamaica or Gambia or other female sexpat destinations. Once again, money is the issue. Lots of handsome and muscular gigolos in the USA available for fat middle aged women hungry for sex, but price is much higher in USA than for beach boys of Jamaica and Gambia.

But why do the majority of western women choose western europe to live abroad (France, Germany, UK)? It's because they're given an amount of power there that is equal to the power they're given in America.

Only thing I regret is not getting here earlier in my life. If only I knew about Vietnam in my 20s, I could have been over here rolling around with the little black haired monkeys all day long.

[Shemp]

... reclaim the masculinity that was drained from my balls by the awful women in America...

Looks, fame, charisma and money are the main ways guys can distinguish themselves. In the USA, you're a nobody in all these factors. Not a complete loser, but nothing special, and that's why you felt drained of masculinity. In Vietnam, you stand out in looks (height and size) and money. And no, you probably couldn't have been in Vietnam in your 20's because you probably lacked money (unless you are beneficiary of a trust fund or pension like Tsar).

[Shemp]

But why do the majority of western women choose western europe to live abroad (France, Germany, UK)? It's because they're given an amount of power there that is equal to the power they're given in America.

As I pointed out previously, women are given more power (over men) in Gambia and Jamaica than they would ever be given in USA or Western Europe (btw western women includes western European women, who obviously can't go abroad to be in western Europe—I'll assume this blooper in your OP is because you are inebriated currently) including fat ugly faced middle aged women, so there goes your thesis.

[kangarunner]

... reclaim the masculinity that was drained from my balls by the awful women in America...

Looks, fame, charisma and money are the main ways guys can distinguish themselves. In the USA, you're a nobody in all these factors. Not a complete loser, but nothing special, and that's why you felt drained of masculinity. In Vietnam, you stand out in looks (height and size) and money.

And they can distinguish themselves by physical strength which is why so many guys are in the gym. It also has to do with the dominance hierarchy and one's relative ranking in it alongside other men. I read an article by psychologists who study that concept and they say the two ways to rise up in the dominance hierarchy are either 1) dominance or 2) prestige. Prestige is getting more education, climbing the career ladder, building professional connections, and gaining respect from others in your field. People who rank high in the hierarchy are usually "upvoted" by others. Lower ranking individuals don't get upvoted. They get downvoted. That's a good point though. I feel less powerful in America because the standards are higher and competition is higher. I feel more powerful in Vietnam though. It's all relative.

Run-of-the-mill USA man with $40K/year after tax income is a nobody in the USA. He certainly isn't going to attract swarms of beautiful 20yo girls to be his sugar baby, nor 25yo young women looking to settle down with someone who can support a family and children. Whereas that same $40K/year guy is a king in the more poverty striken areas of Phillipines or Colombia.

It's all about the standards which are relative around the world. Location really does matter.

[NPCslammer]

We all know why men go abroad. Better quality women. Freedom. Fun. Adventure. Where are the passport bros going? South America and Asia. Western Europe? Hell no. But what we don't know is the reasons why Western women are choosing to go abroad. What are their reasons?

I want to put this question on the forum. Obviously this is not the case for all white women, because I have seen (very few) videos of some Western women choosing countries in Asia to retire. But the majority of videos I see of Western women living abroad are them going to Europe, more specifically Western Europe (France, Germany, UK).

It's almost like the inverse of where men go.

Obviously we know that Western women do tour Asia, but I think this is mainly liberal women who are going on short trips to Asia just so they can think of themselves to be more worldly. To this day, I have no understanding to why white women would want to go to Asia. I've seen them in Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, etc. But how many of those women actually stay here long term? It's to my surprise that Western women don't look more miserable when I see them here in Asia. I would think that when they step off the plane and realize they are given no power that they would be in a hurry to get back home.

We know how men think when they go abroad but what exactly are Western women thinking when they go abroad. Two things come to mind: Power given to them by the system and soft men who will get down on one knee and supplicate to them (just like the fairy tale idea that is in their minds of the handsome knight on horseback wanting to serve a princess). In fact, that's probably the idea that most American women have in their minds. Thinking that the man should feel lucky just to be able to talk to a princess. If they only knew their level of entitlement, maybe they would get a clue.

Women go abroad and they want the same level of power that is given to them when they are at home in America. The reason they choose Western Europe to live abroad is because they're given all kinds of power in France and Germany. They would be given no power in South America or Asia.

On a good note, living here in Asia, I truly want to be nice to the women here because they are proper women. I have normal conversations with them. I've even made a friend with a woman on Facebook. Yes, just friends. I dread the day I will have to go back to America after being around normal, well-behaved women in Asia. It's so depressing having to look at American womens' judgmental eyes, sizing me up, looking at my faults as a man. All the bad memories. Being a red pilled, truth seeker in America is a lonely experience. American women look at a man and think, "I've earned multiple degrees and have a good job and a house. What does he bring to the table?". I can think of about two times in my life that women in America have shown a tiny amount of interest in me. I get depressed whenever I think about women in America. The best thing to do for any man in America is just ignore all women and make no interactions with them at all. And as the saying goes from the movie WarGames, "the only winning move is not to play".

I think a lot of Western women go to Asia to get an Asian boyfriend. There’s plenty of female weebs out there and Kpop is a pretty big thing. Then of course there’s others that just want to travel, and get perhaps decent job offers for teaching English.

If you have to go back to the U.S. at some point sounds like you already know, but avoid the groids, wetbacks and keep to yourself. The whites aren’t all that and a bag of chips these days either.

[publicduende]

There was a trend which I found curious. Japan in the 80s was an insanely rich country. Many young women would spend a few years investing in the stock market and, by their late 20s, they would cash out and have enough money to stop working and move abroad to live free from social constraints.

A lot of them chose Indonesia and Bali in particular. Legend has it that it was because men there were particularly well-endowed. I read Indonesian boys were so eager to please a few of these Japanese ladies, in exchange for a better life, that they would practice extending their tongues inside a mug, until the tip would touch the bottom of the mug. They would also learn to use aphrodisiac herbs, like the legendary "pasak bumi, to enhance their virility and make them last longer.

Basically, Bali became a dream sexpat destination for Japanese girls. I thought this was a myth until the first time I visited Bali and hooked up with a girl who introduced me to a few friends. One of them was a Japanese woman in her late 40s, who was working as a Japanese teacher. She confessed me that she was one of those women. Moved there in late 80s and stayed ever since. Once her savings were gone, she started to teach.

Another place I found packed with women, older women and especially from Germany and Holland, was Antalya and Alanya, in southern Turkey. I was dating a girl at the time so didn't try my luck. I do remember, one night, though, when I kissed her goodbye before she went back to her place (she was living with her cousin) and instead of heading back to the hotel, I popped to a couple of bars. Some of the women mistook me for a Turkish dude (that's the way I look, after all!), and hit on me. And no, it wasn't very pleasant and flattering...most of them had crimson blemished skin because of the tan and the alcohol, and those huge tits falling to their knees!

Women are easy to look disgusted when they see scenes of male sexpats around the world. I think the female one is even more pathetic looking!

[Shemp]

... Some of the women mistook me for a Turkish dude (that's the way I look, after all!), and hit on me. And no, it wasn't very pleasant and flattering...most of them had crimson blemished skin because of the tan and the alcohol, and those huge tits falling to their knees!

Looks is a minor problem—just close your eyes. Whereas no way to close your ears and since you understand English, you can't treat their words like background noise, and you probably can't stuff their mouth shut with a cock all night long, so no way to avoid listening to them.

[publicduende]

Looks is a minor problem—just close your eyes. Whereas no way to close your ears and since you understand English, you can't treat their words like background noise, and you probably can't stuff their mouth shut with a cock all night long, so no way to avoid listening to them.

Assuming you mean the women's looks. I don't know, I guess I might have given it a go, if I hadn't been dating this other girl, who, by the way, was a few years younger than me and gorgeous. I sat down with one of them and started to talk. Mid-conversation, I had the stark impression that she was getting bored, because - apparently - the dynamics with the local boys was a bit different: 10 minutes at the bar and straight to the woman's place for some wild stuff.

[kangarunner]

There was a trend which I found curious. Japan in the 80s was an insanely rich country. Many young women would spend a few years investing in the stock market and, by their late 20s, they would cash out and have enough money to stop working and move abroad to live free from social constraints.

Any woman who is smart enough to make money like that doesn't just go to a poorer country than Japan and get with rough Balinese surfer boys. That's not how it works with womens' brains.

A lot of them chose Indonesia and Bali in particular.

Bali is a dump now. I'm sure back then it was better. Tons of Aussie bogans and young guys using the island to be wild and free. I have no interest in going back there.

A lot of them chose Indonesia and Bali in particular.

"A lot of them". So you have the stats and facts to back up this claim?

Legend has it that it was because men there were particularly well-endowed.

"Legend has it that" - You're probably one of those guys that would tell some long-winded story to people in a group or party or house and then everyone listening would be thinking this guy is full of shit.

I read Indonesian boys were so eager to please a few of these Japanese ladies, in exchange for a better life, that they would practice extending their tongues inside a mug, until the tip would touch the bottom of the mug. They would also learn to use aphrodisiac herbs, like the legendary "pasak bumi, to enhance their virility and make them last longer.

The fact that you put so much effort into writing this means that you probably have the same fantasy of being a sex slave to a demanding woman. Your dick probably got hard writing that.

Something tells me you wouldn't mind trading places with this guy:
https://torontosun.com/news/world/senat ... it-alleges

Basically, Bali became a dream sexpat destination for Japanese girls.

No it wasn't. Japan is a first world country. The idea of an attractive man in a Japanese woman's mind is not some short, rough, poor Bali guy.

Another place I found packed with women, older women and especially from Germany and Holland, was Antalya and Alanya, in southern Turkey. I was dating a girl at the time so didn't try my luck. I do remember, one night, though, when I kissed her goodbye before she went back to her place (she was living with her cousin) and instead of heading back to the hotel, I popped to a couple of bars. Some of the women mistook me for a Turkish dude (that's the way I look, after all!), and hit on me. And no, it wasn't very pleasant and flattering...most of them had crimson blemished skin because of the tan and the alcohol, and those huge tits falling to their knees!

Nasty. Disgusting. Reading that makes me want to take a hot shower 3 times with 3 new bars of soap and then kiss my girlfriend's ass 100 times because it's clean.

[publicduende]

Any woman who is smart enough to make money like that doesn't just go to a poorer country than Japan and get with rough Balinese surfer boys. That's not how it works with womens' brains.

Says someone who has trouble understanding his own brain

"A lot of them". So you have the stats and facts to back up this claim?

Haven't counted them. I read something on the web a few years ago and articles about this phenomenon can still be found online.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/201 ... ali.html-0

"Legend has it that" - You're probably one of those guys that would tell some long-winded story to people in a group or party or house and then everyone listening would be thinking this guy is full of shit.

Man, relax. Forgot your meds today? I say "legend has it" precisely because I can't back this claim. This is what I read. I surely have no interest in inspecting Balinese men's penises.

The fact that you put so much effort into writing this means that you probably have the same fantasy of being a sex slave to a demanding woman. Your dick probably got hard writing that.

The fact that you're always there to nitpick and criticise any post that is not a trolling attempt or a flame war, even a light-hearted and tongue-in-cheek one, means this forum is very close to being toast for good. The day @Winston will put an "incel and autistic members only" sign on the forum, I will stop posting.

No it wasn't. Japan is a first world country. The idea of an attractive man in a Japanese woman's mind is not some short, rough, poor Bali guy.

That is exactly how the world works, in case you didn't notice. First world men and women go to developing countries to have sex with local boys and girls.

Nasty. Disgusting. Reading that makes me want to take a hot shower 3 times with 3 new bars of soap and then kiss my girlfriend's ass 100 times because it's clean.

You don't have a gf and, consequently, you have no gf's ass to kiss. It's clean because it doesn't exist.

[kangarunner]

Nasty. Disgusting. Reading that makes me want to take a hot shower 3 times with 3 new bars of soap and then kiss my girlfriend's ass 100 times because it's clean.

You don't have a gf and, consequently, you have no gf's ass to kiss. It's clean because it doesn't exist.

Really? Ok, let's make a bet on that. I show you proof. However you want it. Photos, videos, text messages. Anything you want. 100 Euros. If you're so confident, I'll bet you.

He's gonna read this and have nothing to say back.

[publicduende]

He's gonna read this and have nothing to say back.

I have something to say, actually. If you finally found a gf, why are you so bitter and judgmental about other people's posts? You're the OP and you have a theory about women moving to Europe.

This might well be true, but you forget that "Europe" is a very diverse group of countries, ranging from super-expensive Switzerland or UK to countries where the lifestyle is second or third-world, like Moldova and Ukraine. A US or Australian woman's rationale for moving to Switzerland may not be the same as that of a woman who will move to Budapest or Odessa. While it may be true that Europe offers more cultural diversity, less crime and more open-mindedness on certain social themes, it's generally not so cheap to move there. Yes, there might be those young or middle-aged roasties, barely able to find a job with substenance salary, who are looking for a new adventure or more peace of mind. I guess the vast majority of women moving to Europe may generally be women with money and/or a career, willing to relocate to affuent areas of Europe to carry on with the same kind of lifestyle they are used to. New boys might or might not be there. Yet, I guess not everybody is a Samantha from Sex in the City.

To conclude, your theory is just as partial and debatable as mine.

There's also another memo I think you need to get. I know this is a pillar of the HA manifesto, but, 20 years on, I think it's crystal clear is that it's not just women from the US or anglo countries like the UK and Oz, who are entitled, entitled, hypocritical and lazy. It's a globalized world and, especially from the Millennials generation afterwards, all women who have been exposed to global role models, social media and easy money made on YT, TikTok or OnlyFans, have developed the same attitudes, the same behaviours and the same shit.

Yes, you can still find pockets of sanity in some of the South East Asian countries, maybe in rural South America and Africa. Yet, it's getting harder and harder and certainly Europe is not heaven.

[kangarunner]

This might well be true, but you forget that "Europe" is a very diverse group of countries, ranging from super-expensive Switzerland or UK to countries where the lifestyle is second or third-world, like Moldova and Ukraine. A US or Australian woman's rationale for moving to Switzerland may not be the same as that of a woman who will move to Budapest or Odessa. While it may be true that Europe offers more cultural diversity, less crime and more open-mindedness on certain social themes, it's generally not so cheap to move there. Yes, there might be those young or middle-aged roasties, barely able to find a job with substenance salary, who are looking for a new adventure or more peace of mind. I guess the vast majority of women moving to Europe may generally be women with money and/or a career, willing to relocate to affuent areas of Europe to carry on with the same kind of lifestyle they are used to. New boys might or might not be there. Yet, I guess not everybody is a Samantha from Sex in the City.

To conclude, your theory is just as partial and debatable as mine.

There's also another memo I think you need to get. I know this is a pillar of the HA manifesto, but, 20 years on, I think it's crystal clear is that it's not just women from the US or anglo countries like the UK and Oz, who are entitled, entitled, hypocritical and lazy. It's a globalized world and, especially from the Millennials generation afterwards, all women who have been exposed to global role models, social media and easy money made on YT, TikTok or OnlyFans, have developed the same attitudes, the same behaviours and the same shit.

Yes, you can still find pockets of sanity in some of the South East Asian countries, maybe in rural South America and Africa. Yet, it's getting harder and harder and certainly Europe is not heaven.

Why is this so hard to understand. Here's the rule: Western women don't go down, they go up. All this stuff you guys are saying about women going to poor countries to find guys with big dicks and take advantage of them is total BS. There may be some, but they are outliers and have something wrong with them mentally. The average woman is not sexually hungry like men are.

Look, I made my point in the first post. Women who go abroad will go to the top-tier countries where they're given power. They don't go to Vietnam or Colombia where they will not be given power. Women are not traveling for sex for the most part.

I find that listening to the white feminist comedians (dragons) gives me insight into how they think. Because comedy is unhinged and unfiltered, women (dragons) will tell the truth in their comedy: