My good reasons to leave France or avoid going there

[Das verlorene Reich]

Hi,
So I already posted some long text about why I thought France and Germany were far from the healthy cultures one may think. This has in my opinion mostly to do with what those countries don't want you, the foreigner, to know about them, because it would compromise their touristic appeal.

I am French myself (don't trust the German pseudo) and since so many people seem to idealise France as the romantic place per excellence, I wanted to share some rant about why I want to leave that hell behind as soon as I can. And potentially to make some avoid the mistake of thinking there are opportunities for a healthy life there.

Without further adue, let me give you my main reasons for wanting to leave, and never come back again apart for seeing family and friends from time to time or just looking at people there as one may look at apes at the local zoo.

1. The Welfare state. Even if it has the benefit of getting yourself free care, it means the majority of French people are lazy jobless parasites. Strikes are very frequent because everyone wants to have its share of Daddy State's privileges.

2. The Police State. As a consequence of this, everything is ruled by the State, Police is everywhere to fine you for the dumbest thing (like having a rooster who wakes people up in the morning, not kidding) and there are way too many laws that smother you.

3. The americanisation. Here in France we import all the shitty concepts which have proven themselves to be tremendous errors in the US already, but we think it's cool and trendy. Be it consumerism, feminism, racism related fake issues or foreign policy (like bombing Syria).

4. The myth of French intellectualism. French people are ashamed of their culture. We have a long history and deep culture yet thanks to point 3 people are ashamed of their own country. Having a French flag at home gets you called a nazi freak. Most "intellectuals" are now actually marxist ideologues who write complete lies.

5. Multiculturalism and political correctness. As a result of point 4, it is considered natural to be vehemently anti-nationalist and allow the inflow of illegal Maghrebines and Subsaharians through open borders, which leads to what we call here "no go-zones" where you can't find any White anymore. And naturally you are not allowed to criticise any of this.

6. The myth of French romanticism. Sure Paris has beautiful monuments and romantic cafés for a date. But French women are on average very cold and pretentious (if they feel you are not the actor kind of rich guy), shallow and unstable thanks to feminism brought by point 3. Forget trying to have long term relationships and don't even dare thinking about mariage as she's only there for one night stands, which are yet difficult to get if you don't have perfect social skills.

7. French people are mentally ill. Not kidding there, we have the highest level of antidepressant and psychotropes use of all the European Union. Things like going to a therapist, spending years on drugs to at least be able to carry work and daily duties, getting abortions for women etc are very common. Not to mention that psychiatrists often release psychos and schizophrenes of asylums for lack of beds.

8. Social life is shallow. Because of point 5, you can never express your political views sincerly which means you have to basically always live pretending you are a socialist if you don't want to get socially ostracised. Things like personal discipline, wanting to get married and have children, being the owner of your car and home are laughed at by the average French who is all about getting easy girls, parading in a BMW which he loans and pretending to be a thug.

So, yes we have a long history and traditions, but we do not have access to them anymore, and believe me all the good food (French cooking is not a myth) and beautiful landscapes don't prevent you from wanting to flee that hell of a country.

[Moretorque]

How long ago was it that France was a nice or acceptable place ?

[Das verlorene Reich]

How long ago was it that France was a nice or acceptable place ?

Well, when I was still a kid in the early 2000s, most of this wasn't that much of a problem. It really started with the introduction of Facebook, and then the waves of migrants and terror attacks since 2015 onwards.
Though my point of view is that it started already in 1789 with that fake concept of "equality".

But I guess you could say France was a nice place to live in at least in some areas until the 1990s.

[Moretorque]

Who coins your countries money ?

[HappyGuy]

We know, the Communal Communist Dictatorship

[Moretorque]

We know, the Communal Communist Dictatorship

It's not funny, they are doing a one size fits all except for themselves and I have been saying this forever and people are like conspiracy theorist and now it's obvious....

[hypermak]

It's not that different in Italy, except that Italy's problem are largely to blame on Italians and their political class, rather than migrants and ghettos.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

France and many other Western European nations are much further down the road of ruin than is America. In fact, America is trying to emulate the social welfare models of Western Europe.

In fact, Europe, in my view, is Central and Eastern Europe. Western Europe is too far gone and not of interest to me any longer.

France needed someone like Marine le Pen as President about 20 years ago. Now, she would be too little and too late. The colonial nationality and their regional cohorts are swallowing up France, UK, and other former colonial powers. I have no feeling of Schadenfreude because I respected much of France's history. But all good things must come to an end.

[Das verlorene Reich]

Who coins your countries money ?

I don't know, seems to me that if the European Union creates our euros then it must in the end be the same psychopaths that create the dollar and all those excel spreadshits fake value currencies.

[Das verlorene Reich]

@hypermak In the end it's the same in France. If French people (on average) weren't that dumb and weak we would never have had the "enrichment" bullshit in the first place.

@Contrarian Expatriate I'd say it goes both ways. We import all the cringe ideologies from the US while the US wants to take the major flaw of France, which is it's welfare system. Has always been like that since both "revolutions" in the late XVIIIth Century actually. France and Anglo-America working hand in hand as two devils. And when other countries oppose them they get angry.

For some reasons there is a guilt trip with colonisation as you have with nazism in Germany. As a French you are basically told you should repent from being the descendance of those "evil men that oppressed Africa and the World". Marine le Pen is as corrupted as the others. She is controlled opposition, like all other democrazy's parties. We are at such a point only a civil war and years of strict dictatorship could barely make any change, and I'm pretty sure even there we would return to the old ways that proved themselves problematic. Actually when things get too decaying only a fresh start from scratch seems to be the solution.

[Cornfed]

America is trying to emulate the social welfare models of Western Europe.

You mean instead of giving gibs in the forms of pretend scholarships, pretend jobs and pretend pensions to the likes of you, they will spread it out more evenly? Yeah, that is further along the road, but in and of itself is a good thing.

[hypermak]

@hypermak In the end it's the same in France. If French people (on average) weren't that dumb and weak we would never have had the "enrichment" bullshit in the first place.

I am an international chef and have many friends from France, although I never lived or worked there. What I understand is that after WW2 there was a massive influx of workers from your former colonies in Africa and the Middle East, and that is the backbone of you multicultural society. I was told that much of the french economic miracle of the 60s and 70s is due to these decent, hard-working people.

It looks like most of the trouble comes from the latest generation, so the sons or grandsons of those decent and hard-working people. Perhaps they feel belonging to neither cultures and are full of indifference, if not hate, towards the french establishment, that part of France who still see themselves as white, middle class and Catholic.

As you probably know, cultural marxism has wrecked Italian society as much, if not more, than French. Sad state of things... Trop triste...

[Das verlorene Reich]

@hypermak I see, so you have a good idea of what we live here. There was indeed such an influx, as well as Belgians / Portuguese / Polish migrants before WW2. They were hard-working and allowed the "economic miracle" because they were paid very low. But they more or less wanted to integrate themselves. Most named their children with French names and learnt to speak French even if it was hard for them, even if most Algerians already knew some of it.

The problem is that there is no more French culture they can integrate to. Since now you can't say that a nation should be culturally homogenous. And I undestand that for someone who comes from Africa or has African origins, seeing people with no religion giving in behaviours like gay prides and stuff can make them deeply resent them as weak and even "demoniac" for some. Especially if you add the whole "Westerners destroyed Iraq and bombed Syria" thing.

Cultural marxism wrecked at least (from what I saw being there) the United Kingdom, France, Italy, Belgium, Germany and Spain. Though from what I saw spending a few weeks near Siena and Firenze on the countryside you Italians seem to have more pride of your traditions than us. Though a very good indicator (if not THE one) to see whether a country is culturally on the verge of collapse is to take a history book from what is taught to children. I bet in Italy it's all about guilt tripping about fascism and so or is it different?
Nice french there
Mais c'est bien triste en effet...

[Moretorque]

Who coins your countries money ?

I don't know, seems to me that if the European Union creates our euros then it must in the end be the same psychopaths that create the dollar and all those excel spreadshits fake value currencies.

Well we as nations allowed all this to happen by giving our money supplies up and yes they are destroying all the nation states nostly of European descent.

I don't like it but a very interesting point our rulers have made at least for sure here in the US is that anybody who cannot understand what has happened by now cannot manage a society such as America as it was intended...

This goes back centuries and they are claiming it started with the French revolution...

[Moretorque]

@hypermak In the end it's the same in France. If French people (on average) weren't that dumb and weak we would never have had the "enrichment" bullshit in the first place.

I am an international chef and have many friends from France, although I never lived or worked there. What I understand is that after WW2 there was a massive influx of workers from your former colonies in Africa and the Middle East, and that is the backbone of you multicultural society. I was told that much of the french economic miracle of the 60s and 70s is due to these decent, hard-working people.

It looks like most of the trouble comes from the latest generation, so the sons or grandsons of those decent and hard-working people. Perhaps they feel belonging to neither cultures and are full of indifference, if not hate, towards the french establishment, that part of France who still see themselves as white, middle class and Catholic.

As you probably know, cultural marxism has wrecked Italian society as much, if not more, than French. Sad state of things... Trop triste...

The people coining the money did most of this, just look what has happened since the introduction of the Euro, the entire European union was based around their unification through the new money system. Yes the French people have played a part as well but all in all the monied class has duped mostly everybody....