A Social Problem: AW misinterpretation of being nice

[OTB]

What's up guys? Good to be back with another post. It's been on my mind for some time now. So I think it's time pour out my observations. I would say this correlates with my last post, "Psychological and emotional effects on American men".

This is one aspect of AW that I don't understand and it screws you up psychologically. For anyone with a good heart and genuinely wants to treat them kindly this behavior, ironically, is misinterpreted as being weak, not very masculine, desperate, and/or submissive. Any man who is observant and has caught onto this pattern of behavior among AW will know this would kill any intentions of possibly wanting to start something with one of them. Now of course, ALL AW are not like that but it seems to be the mindset of most women. Being nice to a woman in this country is not interpreted as trying to make them feel comfortable and safe. It's now interpreted as being desperate or trying to lure them into having sex during the stage of getting to know them. You have to have a hidden agenda if you're actually treating them the way a man should treat a woman.

Now during a relationship, if that happens, it's interpreted as I mentioned above; weak, not being masculine, or submissive. This is a psychological sickness that plagues so many women's minds in this country. It has caused women to gravitate toward and accept prison-like, thuggish type men, the cocky, beer drinking type, or the sleazy, hipster, musician type of guy. Someone "rough around the edges". These type of men come off as more masculine and real to them.

I was in Turkey last month and I could not for one second see those women choosing to be with the types of men a lot of AW choose to be with. I believe Turkish women want a NICE GUY who makes them feel comfortable and safe. The bad boys or those considered rough around the edges are the ones that make women feel comfortable and safe in this country. I hear it all the time. I've even watched a few YouTube videos where AW women admitted to being more attracted to the a**hole or bad boy. I don't believe that line you hear AW say, "I'm looking for a nice guy." No! It's the opposite. But you know what, in some cases, it might true but since I see a recurring pattern in the types of men they choose to be with, which is a manifestation of their mentality, I'll dissent.

Being nice is now a crime. When someone says I'm a nice guy I'm insulted. This is abnormal but I've become this way due to the abnormal behavior of these women.

OTB

[abcdavid01]

Chivalry is offensive. Like up is down here.

[OTB]

Exactly. Then they say they want a nice guy.

[Ginger]

[Anti-American]

What's up guys? Good to be back with another post. It's been on my mind for some time now. So I think it's time pour out my observations. I would say this correlates with my last post, "Psychological and emotional effects on American men".

This is one aspect of AW that I don't understand and it screws you up psychologically. For anyone with a good heart and genuinely wants to treat them kindly this behavior, ironically, is misinterpreted as being weak, not very masculine, desperate, and/or submissive. Any man who is observant and has caught onto this pattern of behavior among AW will know this would kill any intentions of possibly wanting to start something with one of them. Now of course, ALL AW are not like that but it seems to be the mindset of most women. Being nice to a woman in this country is not interpreted as trying to make them feel comfortable and safe. It's now interpreted as being desperate or trying to lure them into having sex during the stage of getting to know them. You have to have a hidden agenda if you're actually treating them the way a man should treat a woman.

Now during a relationship, if that happens, it's interpreted as I mentioned above; weak, not being masculine, or submissive. This is a psychological sickness that plagues so many women's minds in this country. It has caused women to gravitate toward and accept prison-like, thuggish type men, the cocky, beer drinking type, or the sleazy, hipster, musician type of guy. Someone "rough around the edges". These type of men come off as more masculine and real to them.

I was in Turkey last month and I could not for one second see those women choosing to be with the types of men a lot of AW choose to be with. I believe Turkish women want a NICE GUY who makes them feel comfortable and safe. The bad boys or those considered rough around the edges are the ones that make women feel comfortable and safe in this country. I hear it all the time. I've even watched a few YouTube videos where AW women admitted to being more attracted to the a**hole or bad boy. I don't believe that line you hear AW say, "I'm looking for a nice guy." No! It's the opposite. But you know what, in some cases, it might true but since I see a recurring pattern in the types of men they choose to be with, which is a manifestation of their mentality, I'll dissent.

Being nice is now a crime. When someone says I'm a nice guy I'm insulted. This is abnormal but I've become this way due to the abnormal behavior of these women.

OTB

Maybe those women are infected with a mind parasite or something? lol

That's what it seems like.

[Teal Lantern]

I was in Turkey last month and I could not for one second see those women choosing to be with the types of men a lot of AW choose to be with. I believe Turkish women want a NICE GUY who makes them feel comfortable and safe. The bad boys or those considered rough around the edges are the ones that make women feel comfortable and safe in this country. I hear it all the time. I've even watched a few YouTube videos where AW women admitted to being more attracted to the a**hole or bad boy. I don't believe that line you hear AW say, "I'm looking for a nice guy." No! It's the opposite. But you know what, in some cases, it might true but since I see a recurring pattern in the types of men they choose to be with, which is a manifestation of their mentality, I'll dissent.

Being nice is now a crime. When someone says I'm a nice guy I'm insulted. This is abnormal but I've become this way due to the abnormal behavior of these women.

OTB

How much Turkish did you need in order to get around?
Does everything shut down for calls to prayer?
Trip Report!! Trip Report!!

[Dark_Sol]

Most women don't know what a real alpha is. I've met these suppose Alphas and really, they are bark and no bite. My belief in why women precieve these thug alphas is because like most women. They go for visual and what they hear. One case was a conversation at friends party . I was there, really a loner. Than a conversation was brought up about seeing people dead or dying. Well the guy talking about it was a volunteer firefighter and paramedic. They talked about how it was and shit, just bragging. The girls were eating it up. But I knew they were bullshitting, cause after seeing people dying or dead, it aint cool and nothing to brag about. Even killing, that reminds me of another time of some douche talking about killing people and you aint a man unless you've killed( I just said uh huh and gave him a blank stare, he was with a girl.)

Women don't question it or think carefully about it. Why would a badass alpha have to validate he is one by bragging, acting or dressing up as one?

[Falcon]

How much Turkish did you need in order to get around?
Does everything shut down for calls to prayer?
Trip Report!! Trip Report!!

Nowadays, Turkey is a secular nation, so within the Muslim world, it's the complete opposite of Saudi Arabia. Things don't shut down for prayers. In fact, the Turkish government has taken a lot of highly controversial measures against orthodox Islamic traditions, such as wearing hijabs.

Turkey was actually historically more Greek and Roman than anything else, so it's the most European-feeling Muslim-majority country other than Bosnia.

[Falcon]

So back to OTB's original post: it's basically sexual selection gone wrong in the US. Here's what it's like in the rest of the animal kingdom. Enjoy this 1-hour documentary.

[jamesbond]

What's up guys? This is one aspect of AW that I don't understand and it screws you up psychologically. For anyone with a good heart and genuinely wants to treat them kindly this behavior, ironically, is misinterpreted as being weak, not very masculine, desperate, and/or submissive. Any man who is observant and has caught onto this pattern of behavior among AW will know this would kill any intentions of possibly wanting to start something with one of them.

Now during a relationship, if that happens, it's interpreted as I mentioned above; weak, not being masculine, or submissive. This is a psychological sickness that plagues so many women's minds in this country. It has caused women to gravitate toward and accept prison-like, thuggish type men, the cocky, beer drinking type, or the sleazy, hipster, musician type of guy. Someone "rough around the edges". These type of men come off as more masculine and real to them.

Being nice is now a crime. When someone says I'm a nice guy I'm insulted. This is abnormal but I've become this way due to the abnormal behavior of these women.

I was talking about this to a friend of mine recently and he mentioned that "nice guys finish last." Well that's true in english speaking countries but thankfully in other countries, women actually want a "nice guy" and not a guy who is a jerk.

Being nice is perceived as being weak in the eyes of American women. Women don't want a guy who is weak, so they go for the thug, criminal and bad boy. I think part of this is caused by what women see in tv shows and in movies in the US.

American women would rather have an "exciting bad boy" rather than a boring "nice guy."

[Banano]

When they say 'nice guy' they dont mean nice as in 'hot, good looking, desirable,strong',
what it means is guy is weak, placid, not risk taker, average or not good looking and so on

remember girls like to sound nice, politically correct, they dont wanna offend, etc

abcdavid

just looking at your avatar picture I could imagine many girls labeling you as a nice guy, many many women would say that but at the same time they wouldnt wanna date you or have one night stand with you,they want someone who is thrill seeking, risk taker aka bad boy

PUA picked up on it and now its a multi million dollar industry,
can they turn someone like you into alfa its a hard question, if you could act like Mystery or Tyler Durden then maybe you could do some damage but I dont know , it requires personality change and a lot of rewireing

[abcdavid01]

I've read The Game, but I dunno. I'm just into this because my dad told me to give him grandkids because he couldn't have more children himself. So I have to find a girl who would be a good mother and isn't a Feminist like my mother or sister. One night stands are the last thing on my mind. I have contacts I wear and it does wonders. Growing my hair out for winter, but over the summer I had a buzz cut and with contacts I looked a lot tougher. I vacillate my wardrobe too. Like yesterday, I wore ripped jeans and a hoodie over an undershirt. Other days I'll wear dress pants and a dress shirt just normally. I dunno about personality wise though. I don't think I'm a total chump. I was top of my class in school, but I also got into fights and I was suspended a few times, etc. I act nice normally, but push come to shove I don't put up with bullshit.

[Guyver]

Exactly. Then they say they want a nice guy.

This is what irks me the most when a western woman says this because I know it's a lie. I used to listen to this garbage when I was in my 20's from almost everyone. So I figured all these people must know what they are talking about, and I went out and tried applying the "nice guy" method when I was talking to girls. According to what everyone has been telling me, girls are supposed to like this right? WRONG! What was the result of my efforts? Rejection after rejection after rejection, I lost count. I see these women with all these douche bags that don't treat them very well, but they are turning me down when they claim they want the nice guy. Naturally, this left me wondering what the f**k is going on. It isn't until many years later that I find out, when a western woman says she wants a "nice guy," what she really means is she wants a thug/bad boy/douche bag type of guy that she can CHANGE into a nice guy! As if she thinks she has some sort of magical power to be able to do this. Uh huh. If all these women had been more honest with me from the very beginning, and told me that little piece of need to know information early on, then that would have saved me a lot of years from wasting my time trying to pursue getting a girlfriend. I would have said to them, "okay...you will probably be unsuccessful with that, but best of luck to you, I'm going overseas where the women are a lot more down to earth, feminine, intelligent, beautiful, and above all, honest with what they want in a man. Adios."

[jamesbond]

What was the result of my efforts? Rejection after rejection after rejection, I lost count. I see these women with all these douche bags that don't treat them very well, but they are turning me down when they claim they want the nice guy. Naturally, this left me wondering what the f**k is going on. It isn't until many years later that I find out, when a western woman says she wants a "nice guy," what she really means is she wants a thug/bad boy/douche bag type of guy that she can CHANGE into a nice guy! As if she thinks she has some sort of magical power to be able to do this.

Exactly, western women want guys like these guys in this video. Then she thinks maybe she can change him into a nice guy!

[Andrewww]

What do you guys think is the reason for this ?

I have my theories:

1.Their parents don't do their job. The middle class in the last 10-20 years has been shrinking. People are working more and more to keep up with a lifestyle based on buying as much useless crap as possible. This way they don't have time to sit down and instill more traditional values in their children. They just let them watch MTV all day.

2.A wealthier lifestyle creates entitled parasites. In poor countries women learn to cook at a young age because they cannot afford to eat fast food all day. They are very close to their families and they realize the value of having a family. They follow a survival instinct which makes them pursue men who can be providers. Douchebags who drink themselves to death and don't do anything productive are outcasts because they are too immature to raise a family. No decent woman would ever go out with someone like that.

I can't think of any other society in which hard working men are seen as "weak" or in which good guys are considered "boring". I have a friend who was a DJ for a while, he speaks 4 languages, he backpacked through Europe all by himself for a whole summer. He's far from being "boring" yet he can't find a decent woman to be around him. Meanwhile, dumb jocks who talk about football all day are always surrounded by equally dumb bimbos.