Are men too self-concerned/paranoid about the race they are?

[ILoveBlackAmericanWomen]

I see men asking "what country where Asian men are accepted" or "Place Black men are liked" and it comes off very strange. No country has people that are zero percent racist. I think men are overly concerned and focused or paranoid about there race. Every woman is not concerned with your race. If you are a husband material guy she will want you. If you are rejected by a girl it's not always because you're Black or Asian or White. If you come across those racist women they were not worth your time anyways. Everything is not Black and White (Asian, Indian whatever). I notice a lot of superficial wants going on here. Less focusing on a woman's heart and inside mainly what race she is what she looks like etc. Am I the only one to notice this?

[Ghost]

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[Introvert]

Nothing strange about it. Men who go abroad want to maximize their chances of finding what they're looking for. A white North American and a black North American will most likely have very different experiences in Thailand, Colombia, Germany and Nigeria, all else being equal. They will be treated differently based on perceptions that are not entirely true or beneficial.

Human beings are superficial. This is not new. What you are noticing is the honesty of this forum.

We don't talk about the inner qualities so much because most understand that as a given. Even if we did talk about those positive qualities more, someone would just come along and say, "You losers, not all foreign women are like that". Another reason is that it is actually possible/likely to find a physically attractive woman with those positive traits and characteristics unlike here where the combination is mutually exclusive.

The reason that I am going to South America/Caribbean is not because I don't like the way black women look. The media, books, reports and documentaries try to paint the picture that a guy such as myself is looking for the physically exotic. I would love to meet a black woman with a sweet demeanor towards me as a person. Unfortunately, that particular demeanor is reserved for non-black men here in the States.

For the ones that do act that way towards me, I am either "too nice" to date or "like a brother". Can't win for losing.

[lone_yakuza]

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[abcdavid01]

Yeah, I think Asians kind of get left behind. There's no white guilt about us because we're "model minorities."

[lone_yakuza]

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[abcdavid01]

Yeah, I think Asians kind of get left behind. There's no white guilt about us because we're "model minorities."

There should be given all the massacres and rapes and lynchings and murders against East Asian Americans and many of those crimes went unpunished including Vincent CHin's case and Private Danny Chen's case which was probably a cover up of a murder and the hazers/torturers all got off with slaps on the wrist.

Abcdavid how familiar are you with Asian American history?


Also, East Asian females are not left behind. They have it good in the USA and anglosphere.

Vaguely? I know about the anti-immigration laws in the 19th century and how Chinese built the Transcontinental Railroad and the WWII Japanese Internment.

I'm just saying, U.S. culture and government looks at it like Asians aren't a concern as far as racism because we're better off than Whites when it comes to education and wealth. Blacks? There's rampant poverty and crime in the Black community. Racism against Blacks is taken seriously. Same with Hispanics. It might be relative scale too. Nobody cares about racism against Native Americans either.

This one's from today, "Make Me Asian' App For Google Play Blasted As Racist, Offensive"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/2 ... 72573.html

There's a Native American app too. I don't think anyone would even consider making a Blackface app.

[ladislav]

No country has people that are zero percent racist.

Such strange logic.

Better to be in a country which is 2 % racist than the one which is 98% racist. Don't you think so?

I think men are overly concerned and focused or paranoid about there race. Every woman is not concerned with your race.

In the US, most ( 50%+) will be. In many other countries only some 2-3% will care. Those are the countries we want to go to.

[Teal Lantern]

Yeah, I think Asians kind of get left behind. There's no white guilt about us because we're "model minorities."

There should be given all the massacres and rapes and lynchings and murders against East Asian Americans and many of those crimes went unpunished including Vincent CHin's case and Private Danny Chen's case which was probably a cover up of a murder and the hazers/torturers all got off with slaps on the wrist.

Abcdavid how familiar are you with Asian American history?


Also, East Asian females are not left behind. They have it good in the USA and anglosphere.

Vaguely? I know about the anti-immigration laws in the 19th century and how Chinese built the Transcontinental Railroad and the WWII Japanese Internment.

I'm just saying, U.S. culture and government looks at it like Asians aren't a concern as far as racism because we're better off than Whites when it comes to education and wealth. Blacks? There's rampant poverty and crime in the Black community. Racism against Blacks is taken seriously. Same with Hispanics. It might be relative scale too. Nobody cares about racism against Native Americans either.

This one's from today, "Make Me Asian' App For Google Play Blasted As Racist, Offensive"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/2 ... 72573.html

There's a Native American app too. I don't think anyone would even consider making a Blackface app.

One of the comments:
Here's a better idea: "The Make Me Get a Job and Move Out of My Parent's House" app.

[skateboardstephen]

I tired of people saying that race does not matter when it does. Most American women are racist for sure. A lot of them want the super duper white guy with money if they can't get him they will stay in their own race.This seems to be the standard especially in the U.S.The problem is is that every one (at least i can talk about the Americas) wants to be eurocentric. I see this same stuff in Brazil where the media is straight up white washed. Then you have mestiços here who in the U.S. wouldn't even be mistaken for white calling them selves white and will argue that they are white it is weird. I see the same paterns here that i saw in the U.S. with a lot of Afro-brazilian mens dateing options(all though it is no where as bad as black american men) the White brazilian women i see them with are either fat or white trash but when they are fine or even average you don't even see this women any where near black men,You won't see them any where with in walking distance of a favela.Now i do see some black men here with fine women but they are usually black women or mullatto women.I saw this black dude from são paulo with the white brazilian chick big as a house and this guy was good looking, i was like damb dude you could have found a black brasilian chick way better than that.

When i was in the States i used to go out with a white friend of mine and there was an Asian chick and a black chick on my white friends dick and trying to diss me saying shit like i probably live at home with my mom and some other shit trying to sterotype me. They where cleary doing that because i was black.There where times i would be talking to some hispanic chick and she will make up a lie about why she doesn't want a relationship and blah blah blah then i see them latter with some white dude.

I used to go to a Brazilian church in the states to meet some of the immigrants in my area.One time i came up and a group of Brazilian White chicks and they where talking to a Brazilian dude that i knew i said whats up to the guy and when i rolled up all this chicks just up and split leaving the guy there.Shit like this just makes you say hmmmmmmm.

It seem as if when women are at their best they think dateing a black dude is beneath them. And i can't speak for Asian me too much but i can see the same bullshit because i have a good friend who is Asian and has these problems with women flaken on him for now reason.The dude had all his shit in order and good looking.

Where i am now i can say it is not as bad as the States though.But even down here when i am trying to get money out the ATM there will be White Brazilians looking over their shoulder at me while they get their money.Then when they find out i am Amerian their attitude changes it is weird. I am going off topic now ...

[Teal Lantern]

I tired of people saying that race does not matter when it does. Most American women are racist for sure. A lot of them want the super duper white guy with money if they can't get him they will stay in their own race.This seems to be the standard especially in the U.S.The problem is is that every one (at least i can talk about the Americas) wants to be eurocentric. I see this same stuff in Brazil where the media is straight up white washed. Then you have mestiços here who in the U.S. wouldn't even be mistaken for white calling them selves white and will argue that they are white it is weird. I see the same paterns here that i saw in the U.S. with a lot of Afro-brazilian mens dateing options(all though it is no where as bad as black american men) the White brazilian women i see them with are either fat or white trash but when they are fine or even average you don't even see this women any where near black men,You won't see them any where with in walking distance of a favela.Now i do see some black men here with fine women but they are usually black women or mullatto women.I saw this black dude from são paulo with the white brazilian chick big as a house and this guy was good looking, i was like damb dude you could have found a black brasilian chick way better than that.

When i was in the States i used to go out with a white friend of mine and there was an Asian chick and a black chick on my white friends dick and trying to diss me saying shit like i probably live at home with my mom and some other shit trying to sterotype me. They where cleary doing that because i was black.There where times i would be talking to some hispanic chick and she will make up a lie about why she doesn't want a relationship and blah blah blah then i see them latter with some white dude.

I used to go to a Brazilian church in the states to meet some of the immigrants in my area.One time i came up and a group of Brazilian White chicks and they where talking to a Brazilian dude that i knew i said whats up to the guy and when i rolled up all this chicks just up and split leaving the guy there.Shit like this just makes you say hmmmmmmm.

It seem as if when women are at their best they think dateing a black dude is beneath them. And i can't speak for Asian me too much but i can see the same bullshit because i have a good friend who is Asian and has these problems with women flaken on him for now reason.The dude had all his shit in order and good looking.

Where i am now i can say it is not as bad as the States though.But even down here when i am trying to get money out the ATM there will be White Brazilians looking over their shoulder at me while they get their money.Then when they find out i am Amerian their attitude changes it is weird. I am going off topic now ...

So being dark-skinned is like built-in kryptonite against gold-diggers and flakes?

[Rock]

No country has people that are zero percent racist.

Such strange logic.

Better to be in a country which is 2 % racist than the one which is 98% racist. Don't you think so?

I think men are overly concerned and focused or paranoid about there race. Every woman is not concerned with your race.

In the US, most ( 50%+) will be. In many other countries only some 2-3% will care. Those are the countries we want to go to.

It depends on your perspective. I'm more interested in my prospects for dating and close friendship in a country than how racist is might be, within certain bounds of course (I can't tolerate being attacked or confronted just because of my race but if certain people want to silently hate me, than so be it). My life revolves around my circle of close contacts and whoever my gf or dates are. I don't need to be hired cus I'm not looking for a job so I won't get the potential short end of that stick in a racist country.

In the USA, I would much rather be an average looking young black American guy with decent job and money than an average looking young asian guy with the same. I'm pretty sure blacks face a lot more negative racism, at least in the part of USA where I grew up. But a black guy also has much better prospects with the types of women I find attractive, both at home and abroad, than do Asian guys.

Black guys have natural physical advantages which attract a large subset of women in many parts of the world in spite of the stigma against them. The bad boy thug image is more viscerally attractive than the straight laced hard worker image. And other stereotypes abound which are generally in favor of black guys and against asians. And if a black guy is polite and well behaved overseas (against the stereotypes), people like him cus its like being around a tame gangster, lol, especially if he looks good.

Now take Phils vs. Thai for a white guy. According to you, many to most Thais are quite racist against white guys while most people in PI are color blind (ie non racist). Is that correct? In spite of all that, it is possible to live a decent low cost life in Thailand with great food and infrastructure and access to many attractive women without being physically bothered or harassed if you behave as long as you are not very unlucky. And if you don't like Thais or the language, there are plenty of foreign ghettos where you can have everything without even having to look at many Thais in your daily life except in the background. Many of the locals in such areas are non-Thai.

In Phils, the quality of life is generally much worse (food, infrastructure, accommodation) while the cost is significantly higher. And as I've said before, girls have healthier and more attractive on average in Thai than Phils, and I'm talking about the ones available to foreigners. Phils is generally much more dangerous for unprovoked street crime too except for a few areas such as Davao City and perhaps Baguio. And people in PI do often discriminate against foreigners, by charging a lot more for instance.

There is a lot more to consider when choosing a location than the degree of perceived racism against your particular race. Right now, I'm in Dominican Republic and so far, this place seems color blind, one of the least racist places I've been on the surface with the exception of the way Haitians get treated by some here. I mean, you see all the US races here with Asians and pure whites being relatively rare. And they are all Domicanos. But this country has many other serious issues which make it difficult to live in for many vis-a-vis a country like Thailand.

[zboy1]

No country has people that are zero percent racist.

Such strange logic.

Better to be in a country which is 2 % racist than the one which is 98% racist. Don't you think so?

I think men are overly concerned and focused or paranoid about there race. Every woman is not concerned with your race.

In the US, most ( 50%+) will be. In many other countries only some 2-3% will care. Those are the countries we want to go to.

It depends on your perspective. I'm more interested in my prospects for dating and close friendship in a country than how racist is might be, within certain bounds of course (I can't tolerate being attacked or confronted just because of my race but if certain people want to silently hate me, than so be it). My life revolves around my circle of close contacts and whoever my gf or dates are. I don't need to be hired cus I'm not looking for a job so I won't get the potential short end of that stick in a racist country.

In the USA, I would much rather be an average looking young black American guy with decent job and money than an average looking young asian guy with the same. I'm pretty sure blacks face a lot more negative racism, at least in the part of USA where I grew up. But a black guy also has much better prospects with the types of women I find attractive, both at home and abroad, than do Asian guys.

Black guys have natural physical advantages which attract a large subset of women in many parts of the world in spite of the stigma against them. The bad boy thug image is more viscerally attractive than the straight laced hard worker image. And other stereotypes abound which are generally in favor of black guys and against asians. And if a black guy is polite and well behaved overseas (against the stereotypes), people like him cus its like being around a tame gangster, lol, especially if he looks good.

Now take Phils vs. Thai for a white guy. According to you, many to most Thais are quite racist against white guys while most people in PI are color blind (ie non racist). Is that correct? In spite of all that, it is possible to live a decent low cost life in Thailand with great food and infrastructure and access to many attractive women without being physically bothered or harassed if you behave as long as you are not very unlucky. And if you don't like Thais or the language, there are plenty of foreign ghettos where you can have everything without even having to look at many Thais in your daily life except in the background. Many of the locals in such areas are non-Thai.

In Phils, the quality of life is generally much worse (food, infrastructure, accommodation) while the cost is significantly higher. And as I've said before, girls have healthier and more attractive on average in Thai than Phils, and I'm talking about the ones available to foreigners. Phils is generally much more dangerous for unprovoked street crime too except for a few areas such as Davao City and perhaps Baguio. And people in PI do often discriminate against foreigners, by charging a lot more for instance.

There is a lot more to consider when choosing a location than the degree of perceived racism against your particular race. Right now, I'm in Dominican Republic and so far, this place seems color blind, one of the least racist places I've been on the surface with the exception of the way Haitians get treated by some here. I mean, you see all the US races here with Asians and pure whites being relatively rare. And they are all Domicanos. But this country has many other serious issues which make it difficult to live in for many vis-a-vis a country like Thailand.

I agree with you on Black males: yeah, they face more racism than Asian men, but at least they are seen as more desirable than Asian men even though many females would not marry a Black man--they just want to have sex with them. To be honest, I'm kinda shocked about how many Black men are involved in the MRA (Men's Rights Advocate) movement. I would think that many Black men would be as successful--or even more successful in some cases--than White males in the United States and other Anglo countries. In fact, I know some Black men that do better than White men in attracting and dating females, strangely enough.

[E_Irizarry]

....Right now, I'm in Dominican Republic and so far, this place seems color blind, one of the least racist places I've been on the surface with the exception of the way Haitians get treated by some here. I mean, you see all the US races here with Asians and pure whites being relatively rare. And they are all Dominicanos. But this country has many other serious issues which make it difficult to live in for many vis-a-vis a country like Thailand.

*Playing SkateboardStephen's Advocate* Ahhh hahh! You do realize that Dominicans in NY-NJ-CT-Eastern PA loathe the majority of Black Americans or anybody of the Afro diaspora excluding Dominicans themselves. I believe it's mostly because they come from squalor so they don't want to it resonate with them after coming over to the "land of [new] opportunity" sotospeak.

Therefore, if they were to stay that way, then they feel that they are becoming compared to people whom look very similar to them and that's *drum roll* Black Americans; we all know how Black Americans, generally-speaking, fare in the US [despite the "talented tenth" i.e. celebs among other power figures of the Black Am ethnicity].

[I'm] just saying....

[Rock]

....Right now, I'm in Dominican Republic and so far, this place seems color blind, one of the least racist places I've been on the surface with the exception of the way Haitians get treated by some here. I mean, you see all the US races here with Asians and pure whites being relatively rare. And they are all Dominicanos. But this country has many other serious issues which make it difficult to live in for many vis-a-vis a country like Thailand.

*Playing SkateboardStephen's Advocate* Ahhh hahh! You do realize that Dominicans in NY-NJ-CT-Eastern PA loathe the majority of Black Americans or anybody of the Afro diaspora excluding Dominicans themselves. I believe it's mostly because they come from squalor so they don't want to it resonate with them after coming over to the "land of [new] opportunity" sotospeak.

Therefore, if they were to stay that way, then they feel that they are becoming compared to people whom look very similar to them and that's *drum roll* Black Americans; we all know how Black Americans, generally-speaking, fare in the US [despite the "talented tenth" i.e. celebs among other power figures of the Black Am ethnicity].

[I'm] just saying....

1. I have not spent enough time here to get under the surface of things. But I have had the benefit of some quality time with a good cultural translator or two, both this trip and last. The learning curve here is still ahead of me.

2. I think there's a consensus on the forum that USA generally changes immigrants from most areas of the world in very bad way and very quickly. What I like about this country is that I usually can't even pick-out foreigners myself on the street. It's very easy to blend in. Sometimes when I see a very white skinned person, I wonder if he's foreign. But then sometimes he will talk and move in a very Dominican way and I will know I'm wrong. Same goes for black Americans vs. darker skinned Domicanos. In certain areas of Santo Domingo, you see a lot more light skinned people but in other areas, they tend to be darker skinned. From what I've heard, Santiago has a much higher percetage of lighter skinned and even white Dominicanos than does Santo Domingo.