Why I'm tired of the conspiracy movement

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Moretorque wrote:Look the big conspiracy is to rule the world with an accounting gimmick, this huge conspiracy to rule the world is true and the rulers do not want you to know how they do it with a simple book entry of #'s. It really is that simple, a back room click is steering the boat and we are all on board going the direction they set because thy control us by controlling the purchasing tickets that facilitate the pleasures of our lives.

Now if you were the one steering the boat and figured out how to control all in the process you would want to protect your racket at all cost and that includes creating one conspiracy on top of another and another in order to do so!


Do not be fooled, these people are gobbling the whole world up in short order.
Actually a pretty good summary of the problem.

Given the situation, we now have to decide how to live in spite of it. or around it. Or away from it. Or by bleeding it.


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HouseMD wrote:Yeah, a lot of men that can't get laid buy into conspiracy bullshit because it is easier to blame the Jews than to blame themselves. Conspiracy theories are a staple of disaffected white men who would rather cry about a New World Order than get off their asses and change anything. By creating an insurmountable barrier (the conspiracy) they no longer have to feel bad about being lazy f***s, because those in power would bring then down anyway.
OoooK with this repeated post, I think it is clear that this guy is a troll here to shut down certain forms of discussion. It goes without saying that his autobiographical details are bullshit. At least we are putting the scum to the trouble of hiring somewhat literate people now.
This is the part of his post I AGREED with. He may be an Stubborn Ostrich-Man (deliberately unwilling to buy into the obvious because it would make his head explode) but if he is here urging you and me to WIN, let's catch that wave and surf it.

If the freakin' AMISH can build a lifestyle that fits all their moral codes, and still prosper, it would seem to me that WE CAN TOO.
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HouseMD wrote:rather than complaining fat neckbearded conspiracy theorists that spend their days masturbating to Asian p**n all day.
A bit rough, there, House...
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But God I love HA!!
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Renata wrote:It's apparent that everyone is out to stirr up controversy & chaos. It's difficult to determine what is legit information these days. Chaos!
Sometimes info can be legit, but the person giving is not doing so in a spirit of peace.

Discern the spirit.
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The problems with the conspiracy movement are:

1. It falsely assumes that everyone is good except for the ruling elite, that our only problems are the NWO, and that people are the same everywhere. They are not.
2. It's useless to obsess over conspiracies no matter how true they are. You can't do anything about them, and you have no chance of using the legal system against them because they own it. If you obsess over them, you neglect other areas of life that are important. Better to focus on things you can change than things you can't.
3. Conspiracies make you more paranoid and fearful the more you study them. They do not bring happiness, fulfillment or joy. Thus it's not healthy to obsess over them.
4. The two most relevant things to a man's life are his profession/career and his love life. Conspiracies do not help in either of those two areas, but distract from them.

Bottom line: Conspiracies are real and part of history and world affairs. It's good to know about them for educational purposes. But not to obsess about them or make them a focal point of your life.

Note: #4 above was something that Steve R told me, which made sense so I added it.
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Winston wrote:The problems with the conspiracy movement are:

1. It falsely assumes that everyone is good except for the ruling elite, that our only problems are the NWO, and that people are the same everywhere. They are not.
2. It's useless to obsess over conspiracies no matter how true they are. You can't do anything about them, and you have no chance of using the legal system against them because they own it. If you obsess over them, you neglect other areas of life that are important. Better to focus on things you can change than things you can't.
3. Conspiracies make you more paranoid and fearful the more you study them. They do not bring happiness, fulfillment or joy. Thus it's not healthy to obsess over them.
4. The two most relevant things to a man's life are his profession/career and his love life. Conspiracies do not help in either of those two areas, but distract from them.

Bottom line: Conspiracies are real and part of history and world affairs. It's good to know about them for educational purposes. But not to obsess about them or make them a focal point of your life.

Note: #4 above was something that Steve R told me, which made sense so I added it.
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Winston wrote:The problems with the conspiracy movement are:

1. It falsely assumes that everyone is good except for the ruling elite, that our only problems are the NWO, and that people are the same everywhere. They are not.

TRUE. ROME DECLINED WITHOUT ANY LONG-TERM CONSPIRACIES. WE WOULD STILL HAVE ISSUES IF THERE WERE NO CONSPIRACIES. NO REASON TO IGNORE CRIME THOUGH, IGNORING OR BEING AFRAID TO SPEAK ABOUT OR DENOUNCE THEM WOULD MAKE YOU A COLLABORATOR.

2. It's useless to obsess over conspiracies no matter how true they are. You can't do anything about them,

SPEAKING OUT IS DOING SOMETHING. IF EVERYONE SPOKE OUT IN REAL LIFE, NOT JUST ON THE INTERNET, CONSPIRACIES WOULD DISAPEAR. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO COMMUNISM IN EAST GERMANY. PEOPLE JUST GOT TIRED OF THE LIES AND STSRTED SPEAKING THE TRUTH.


and you have no chance of using the legal system against them because they own it.

CONSPIRATORS ARE TERRIFIED OF THE LEGAL SYSTEM. LOTS OF SPINELESS MIDDLE-LEVEL BUREAUCRATS REFUSE TO GO ALONG WITH STUFF BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID OF PROSECUTION. THAT'S WHY WE KEEP GETTING NEW LAWS PASSED. SECRECY IS A CONSPIRACY'S STRENGTH, BUT ALSO ITS WEAKNESS. THEY NEED LEGAL COVER FOR WHAT THEY DO.


If you obsess over them, you neglect other areas of life that are important. Better to focus on things you can change than things you can't.

YES, FOCUS ON THINGS YOU CAN CHANGE. BE AWARE OF THE CRAP YOU CAN'T, BUT DONT DENY IT EXISTS. BEING AWARE OF CRAP HELPS YOU AVOID STEPPING IN IT.

3. Conspiracies make you more paranoid and fearful the more you study them. They do not bring happiness, fulfillment or joy. Thus it's not healthy to obsess over them.

+1 TRUE.


4. The two most relevant things to a man's life are his profession/career and his love life. Conspiracies do not help in either of those two areas, but distract from them.

TRUE. BUT IF SOME SHITHEAD BRINGS UP OBAMA VERSUS ROMNEY, AS THE CHOICE YOU'RE ALLOWED, LET HIM HAVE IT. POLITICS IS NOT THE SACRED PRESERVE OF LIARS. YOU CAN TELL THE TRUTH. TELLING THE TRUTH IS HEALTHIER THAN BEING A CO-DEPENDENT OSTRICH.

Bottom line: Conspiracies are real and part of history and world affairs. It's good to know about them for educational purposes. But not to obsess about them or make them a focal point of your life.

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I disagree, we are at the point to where we are being totally ungrounded from reality and earth by ourselves and our rulers.
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Yeah but Jester, the conspirators are above the law. Look at the JFK assassination for example. By now, everyone knows it was a conspiracy. But no one can do anything about it. And no one in the legal system dares to try to open an investigation or prosecute those behind it.

What does that tell you?

Same with the RFK and MLK assassinations. Same with 9/11.

Btw, how come Nixon didn't get away with Watergate? Was that staged? I don't understand what the big deal about Watergate was. Everyone in politics wire taps each other. It was a usual thing and still is. So what was the big deal?
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Winston wrote:Yeah but Jester, the conspirators are above the law. Look at the JFK assassination for example. By now, everyone knows it was a conspiracy. But no one can do anything about it. And no one in the legal system dares to try to open an investigation or prosecute those behind it.

What does that tell you?

Same with the RFK and MLK assassinations. Same with 9/11.
I see your point.

Yet there WAS a prosecution in the JFK assassination case. We were close!

And a congressional committee DID conclude it was a conspiracy.

On 9/11 it ain't over yet.

If everyone openly spoke about 9/11, WMD's in Iraq, and staged victim videos in Syria, and heaped scorn and derisive laughter on the ostriches who deny the facts, we would see military men or Snowdens or prosecutors like Jim Garrison timidly step forward and speak out, make arrests, prosecute, etc. They have to do their job but we have to do ours - which is to speak out. We will win this thing around the watercooler, in the coffeehouses, and at the barbecue.

Our military is composed of ordinary joes with families to protect, But they are also patriotic Americans. If they feel the weight of the American people behind them, they can act.

The internet was and is a central part of plans for world control, and is also damned lucrative for the oligarchs. Yet because of their internet, people have become aware, and noone believes the rulers anymore. We are all like the boy who saw that the Emperor was naked. Yet we are unsure if others in the crowd see it. Once we start turning to each other, in real life, and talking openly about the lies, and calling for arrests, you will see a tipping point. Suddenly everyone will be speaking out.
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Btw, how come Nixon didn't get away with Watergate? Was that staged? I don't understand what the big deal about Watergate was. Everyone in politics wire taps each other. It was a usual thing and still is. So what was the big deal?
Short answer: Fight between insiders.

Don't understand it myself.

But Bob Woodward is the personification of the CIA. I don't even see him as a real person, just a CIA clone or android. Washington Post is the CIA's semi-official mouthpiece.

So the CIA wanted Nixon out. Don't know why.

But remember that CIA agent McCord who was sequestered to or loaned to the White House Plumbers unit that G. Gordon Liddy wrote about? Liddy reported that some thought McCord was a CIA mole, and deliberately got the Plumbers busted that night at the Watergate office complex. But Liddy didn't believe it. Or so he said anyway.

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Watergate

Now I know you will say, why didn't they shoot Nixon like they did JFK, Reagan etc.? All I can SPECULATE is that permission was not given, that Nixon had carried water for Nelson Rockefeller so long that direct means were not permitted.

I see Nixon as half JFK (compromised but independent minded, nobody's puppet) and half Clinton (total insider, no morals at all, CIA shabbos goy, i.e. front man).

Some see JFK as a martyr - including some of us that don't like all his policies. Noone looks at Nixon like a martyr, but he gets grudging respect. Clinton is perceived as slimy and immoral even by people who like him and like his politics.
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Jester,
There was no prosecution in the JFK case. There was a trial by Jim Garrison of Clay Shaw, but he was acquitted because one of Garrison's key witnesses, David Ferrie, got taken out before he could testify.

The House Select Committed concluded there was a conspiracy but they could not prosecute anyone for it.

You got to be honest and admit that in all probability, no one will be prosecuted for 9/11 from the ruling elite. And there will never be an objective investigation with subpoena powers.

As to Nixon, well wasn't it because he wouldn't go along with something? Wasn't it because his tapes would reveal the CIA's role in the Bay of Pigs? That's what I heard.

Btw, you should see that Oliver Stone movie "Nixon" with Anthony Hopkins. It's three hours and a masterpiece. It shows all the struggles in Nixon's life, the good, bad and the ugly. And the ending speech in the film by Nixon will move you to tears. Oliver Stone's films are among the few that are generally realistic.
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And the answer is " allow me to issue the currency and I care not who makes the laws".
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Jester,
There was no prosecution in the JFK case. There was a trial by Jim Garrison of Clay Shaw, but he was acquitted because one of Garrison's key witnesses, David Ferrie, got taken out before he could testify.
You have good recall. But sorry Mr. W, "prosecution" ends in "trial". What you mean is there was no "conviction".

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The House Select Committed concluded there was a conspiracy but they could not prosecute anyone for it.
Yes. It's on the record.

Winston wrote:
You got to be honest and admit that in all probability, no one will be prosecuted for 9/11 from the ruling elite. And there will never be an objective investigation with subpoena powers.
Mmm do you have a crystal ball? The perps are still alive.

And Calvin was wrong. There is no pre-destination, no fore-ordination. Free will. Life is all up for grabs. Let's grab!

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Winston wrote: As to Nixon, well wasn't it because he wouldn't go along with something? Wasn't it because his tapes would reveal the CIA's role in the Bay of Pigs? That's what I heard.

Btw, you should see that Oliver Stone movie "Nixon" with Anthony Hopkins. It's three hours and a masterpiece. It shows all the struggles in Nixon's life, the good, bad and the ugly. And the ending speech in the film by Nixon will move you to tears. Oliver Stone's films are among the few that are generally realistic.
I'll see it when I can.

Chuck Coulter was in the room, I think, when Nixon threatened CIA chief Richard Helms that the whole "Bay of Pigs" thing "could come out" if the Watergate revelations were not quashed. Coulter felt later that Nixon could have been referring to the JFK assassination. (I think it was Coulter, not Liddy. Sorry, I read both their books back in the day.)

I guess one connection between Watergate and the JFK op was E. Howard Hunt. He supervised a bank of shooters at the JFK killing, and was (I think) the "handler" who procured the original Cubano Watergate burglars.

Oliver Stone is an unusual guy. Tells a lot of truth yet hasn't crossed the line and been whacked like Kubrick. Check out this filmography for Stone, note the controversial topics:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000231/

BTW anyone who doubts the existence of the Illuminati should see Oliver Stone's "Wild Palms" miniseries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Palms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZC4PtAKpzM

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All you have got to do is watch the movie " Money as Debt " made in 2004 and anybody with half a brain is going to say who set this sh it up like this.

It's all just a distraction from how the money system works, if you are not talking about the BANK and what they are funding and how they create the funding you are not talking about what is going on on planet earth!
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Jester,
You are right. Sorry I got the words "prosecuted" and "convicted" mixed up.

Why are you saying that Calvin was wrong? The doctrine of predestination is supported by many Bible verses. For example, there is a verse in John where Jesus says, "No one can come to me except the Father draws him." And there are other verses in the Epistles where it says that the elect (the saved) were chosen before the foundation of the Earth. So the doctrine is Biblically based and supported.

What is "Wild Palms" about? It looks kind of weird.

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