15 Reasons to Date a Single Mom

[Jester]

This thread is on fire.

Nothing to add, just munching the popcorn.

Good night gentlemen.

[publicduende]

This thread is on fire.

Nothing to add, just munching the popcorn.

Good night gentlemen.

That's what happens when you try pour water on a lump of sodium.

[Guyver]

Once again, you have proven what a judgmental, slanderous shithead you are Publicduende. From YOUR posts, you clearly have little emotional development yourself. If you did, then you wouldn't be so quick to judge. Let me ask you, if YOU had any "shred of grace, empathy, or common sense," as you like to put it, then why is it all I ever see from you when you write is judgment and condemnation on men in here that you don't know the first thing about even when it is not warranted? Did it ever cross your mind that maybe we are living in DIFFERENT circumstances than you are? We live DIFFERENT lives than you do in DIFFERENT cultures which makes a huge f***ing difference in how we interact with women in each corresponding society and the environment? These things matter. You don't seem to take these into account.

Do you think we are all stupid and don't know that some single moms have been burned? I think the answer is yes. You are an arrogant shit that thinks you know everything about the world. That is how YOU talk. Dude, you are 39 years old. When are you going to grow the f**k up? You don't even know the guy, and yet you think you have some divine right to judge him and others on this forum like the hypocrite you are based on what exactly? One f***ing post about single moms? Do you bother to ask WHY these types of posts are made from the point of view of the OPer? No you don't because your immediate response is trying to make someone sound like he means something that he did not. That is called slander. The more I follow your posts, the more sickening your own hypocrisy becomes.

The fact that you can't even admit that you are a hypocrite is proof that you have some growing up to do. I admit that I am one sometimes, but I do the best I can to check myself at the door before I talk about something. YOU on the other hand don't even bother to put any effort into it. YOU have no restraint on anything that you say to people. No wonder you are pissing so many people off on here. Perhaps the one that owns the delusion is none other than yourself?

Hmm, this must be another one of my magic powers, that of resuscitating dormant posters from the dead.

Now, where do you see the judgement and condemnation? We obviously don't know each other in person and "judge" each other on what we write here. If you, TL or others write posts that are nothing more than a rehash of the same tired stereotypes about Western women, American women, single moms, betas and manginas, what kind of response do you expect to receive? Not just me, but ANYONE with a quantum of common sense and knowledge of how things work outside their little gardens will tell you EXACTLY the same thing: you're taking a part and assuming it's the whole, you're generalising, you're exaggerating and projecting on the basis of preconceptions, fringe theories and stereotypes.

How exactly do you define your "inside" as opposed to my "outside"? You think the pool of single moms in the US is that different from that in the UK, where I have been living for over 15 years? You think I have never seen council estates packed with welfare single moms, the flats and £23K/year in benefits they get as a reward for popping two or three random children who will probably grow up as deprived and dysfunctional as their parents? You think I don't read newspapers and walk around and observe?

The only reason why my take on single moms (as on quite a few other subjects) is different from yours, is because I don't like to generalise and, precisely when my knowledge is uncertain and incomplete, I prefer to keep an open mind and reject final judgements, especially when they sound unnaturally cynical and cruel.


For one last time, all I am saying is: single moms may well be a disturbing social phenomenon by the law of large numbers, yet when looking at each woman individually, they might have something different to tell you from your narrow definition. Single moms are women and, as such, they come in all sorts of flavours. There are underschooled, dumb methheads from deprived neighbourhoods who are single moms, and there are smart girls who got accidentally knocked up by their boyfriends and had the courage to keep their babies and reshape their lives around them, giving them all the love and support of an affectionate, if incomplete, family. Perhaps they have their extended families next to them, or perhaps they will have to brave the storm all alone.

Mind you, I am not adding a poetic vein, I'm just pointing out the obvious.

The problem I see here is not with this specific topic. It's with the chronical lack of tact, empathy and common sense, or the simple intellectual laziness that leads many of you to find solace into a nest of stereotypes and generalisations, finding further comfort in seeing that a majority shares the same views. Feminism, Zionism, big government and even the odd conspiracy thrown in, are a comfortable cushion.

That your have your own circumstances, society and ways to interact with women isn't much of an excuse, if you want to make your points on a public forum open to people the world over. There are books, the web, and - for the more adventurous of you - actual travelling for opening your minds to the bigger picture. The more you open up, the more balanced your views will become. This much I guarantee you.

If you can't see your own judgment and condemnation of us on here, then you are even more f***ed up and self-righteous than I thought. The only reason that I have come on here to respond to you is because you crossed the line by JUDGING the OPer. You can't see that Mr. self-proclaimed perfect common sense? If I have to actually go out and fish those posts out for you, it won't look good for you because there are a ton of them. You are guilty of generalizing just the same as all of us. You are a hypocrite. When you are talking about a culture, what the f**k else are you going to do except generalize? Walk up to each person and set an interview? Common sense, dude common sense.

There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with generalizing when you talk about the problems in a culture which will have a severe impact on you personally if you make the slightest unintended mistake. It's assholes like you that come in here and slander trying to make the generalization of someone else sound like they mean ALL. It doesn't work that way, and if you don't get that in your thick skull, then you need to f**k off, and stop coming in here judging a post thinking that it means something that it does not. By the way, I would love to see you quote one of my posts showing that I am "stereotyping, exaggerating and projecting on the basis of preconceptions." What preconceived notion or basis do you have for this? You don't f***ing know me. Please, asshole show me those posts.

How do YOU define outside and inside? Have you ever been to the west? If so, then for how long and where exactly? By the way, when I say "west," I mean U.S./Canada. Just not to confuse you. Congratulations, you are informed about the UK, and that welfare nightmare over there. I really don't give a flying f**k about your "knowledge" of what is going on over there. It's more your ignorance of us, or what is going on over here, and your perpetual notions, views, judgments, insinuations, slander, self-righteous opinions, and lack of any consideration whatsoever for who is doing the posting. You think in your deluded brain that you have some right to judge. You are guilty of it, and you need to admit it.

If you don't like to generalize, then you may as well not talk about any culture at all. That is the same thing as saying that you don't like talking about any negative aspects of a culture regardless of how real they might be, but if you hear it from someone else with DIFFERENT experiences than yourself, then you have to jump all over him right? You think you have the right to judge right? You don't take one f***ing second to ask why and LISTEN. But instead, you dismiss it and think it means something else, so you try to portray it as we have no knowledge of the "good" single moms out there. You think we don't know that? How do you discern the good from the bad? What ratio can you put on it? Why do you think we shouldn't pay close attention to what is going on, and stack up ways to protect ourselves from say....oh I don't know PATERNITY FRAUD??? If you were as well-informed as you claim, then you would know that is a very real problem.

I don't have a "narrow definition," you f***ing moron. I KNOW what you are saying. I haven't defined it as anything actually because, like you, I keep an open mind too but you see I LISTEN to both sides of the story. You are jumping the gun on this one. From the way that YOU talk, you don't strike me as the type of person to listen at all to both sides. Do you always listen to the woman's side and consider it truth, or do you actually entertain the thought that some of them might be LYING or distorting the facts? Do you bother to take one f***ing minute to listen to what the man has to say, or are you so biased that you will immediately dismiss it to say he needs to "man up?" Where do you see the words that compound a "narrow definition?" I'd love for you to point that one out. Single moms are women...wow really??? Tell me more teacher, I want to learn!! By the way, how exactly is it an "accident" if the smart girls got pregnant from their boyfriends?? I acknowledge that these women really do work hard for their kids, but I question other things about them.

The problem I see with you is your own lack of common f***ing sense, and lack of knowing the other person or the circumstances surrounding each person on here. Also, you fail to put any value or weight on what some people might say that contradict your own "narrow opinions." You are quick say things like "leads many of you to find solace," but let me ask you, does it occur to you that there might be some grain of truth to what the hell some posters are saying about women that have been in their lives? Or how about witnessing the negative events that transpire in front of them on a frequent basis, then thinking that it might be a good idea to proceed with caution? Does it occur to you that maybe if you were in the same situation, and you were raised with DIFFERENT circumstances than what you have now, that you too might find some venue to share common thoughts with other men?

The fact that many of the members here agree on certain things should be a clue for you that there might be something more to the story. So all men (except for the ones that agree with you) on this forum are intellectually lazy, and it is a simple case of we are all losers that make excuses in your eyes? There you go generalizing again, hypocrite. Your final paragraph solidifies my reasoning in pointing out your own ignorance. You really are just f***ing pathetic, PD. So circumstances is "not much of an excuse?"

Dude, I know you didn't just make a complete ass of yourself with that kind of a comment. If someone pushed you off a boat with no vest in stormy waters, and you didn't know how to swim, but I kept telling you to get back in the boat, you reply with "I'm trying, but I can't swim and the current is too rough," then my response is "stop making excuses and get back in the boat," how would YOU respond to someone with this kind of attitude? Some of us are working our asses off in life, and are TRYING to go traveling to get those opportunities. Some of us don't have the TIME for it yet, but are trying to make it. Some of us are saving up the money for it too. I guess you didn't think of those variables which make a real difference did you? So how about you get off your f***ing high horse, and come back down to Earth?

[Teal Lantern]

The problem I see here is not with this specific topic. It's with the chronical lack of tact, empathy and common sense, or the simple intellectual laziness that leads many of you to find solace into a nest of stereotypes and generalisations, finding further comfort in seeing that a majority shares the same views. Feminism, Zionism, big government and even the odd conspiracy thrown in, are a comfortable cushion.

... same mix of cynicism, fake masculine pride, MRA, PUA, sexism/racism and plain social dysfunction.

Well, at least you know you're trolling, since the topic certainly made no mention of feminism, zionism, racism, etc..
The first post didn't even take a hard jab, just pointed to an article telling men to risk putting themselves in a position of paying for someone else's fun.

Did Mr. Suave, Smooth, & Mature start his own thread, in Deep Philosophical Discussions extolling the virtues of the rare sweet needle in the haystack?
Nah, you wouldn't have gotten enough attention that way.

Did Mr. Suave, Smooth, & Mature start his own thread, in Rants and Raves decrying obsession with Feminism, Zionism, big government, etc?
Nah, because that wasn't really your issue and you'd score no White Knight points.

No, the only way you could make a big splash in the punch bowl was to be the turd.
You personalized the topic, then acted like it was a direct attack on someone you cared about.
It's not about you or any special snowflake exceptions you have known. We've all known them.
We ALSO know the meaning of "exception".

Now, gallop off to xojane or jezebel and see if they'll give you a cookie or cooze sniff, for standing up to teh evil, misogynist menz.

[Hero]

You know what's worse than a single mom? A single mom who lies on her profile about having kids!! I found a hot young lady on LatinAmericanCupid.com who wrote that she had no kids. Then I look on her Facebook page, and - you guessed it - turns out that she has a baby after all!!

[C.J.]

LOL I know many of you already came up reasons for the opposite, but I wanted to chime in with even more reasons.

Here are 16 reasons NOT to date a single mom.

1. Single moms act tough and independent. That means she's a real bitch when there's no need to be. She's eager to start an argument and probably will call the police to try and get the last laugh in a fight she clearly lost. You know she works a lot. She has little time for you, and probably won't make time for you either!

2. Also, the only chicks who act tough and independent, are those who have FAILED miserably in the quest to find a stable father. And she has many consolation prizes from it too! Like, kids! Or maybe STDs.

3. On that note, she clearly has no idea on how to build a family, much less date someone. So she ain't relationship material.

4. She's not patient, because she has to deal with a bunch of her own mistakes, in a fantasy world where she's not at fault in any way. You think some delusional, psycho chick is gonna be patient with someone she barely knows?

5. She plays a TON of games. First, since she was way too immature to bring a up family proper, that means she's not old enough to stop playing games. And women don't stop playing games until they're like, 45.

6. Since you have to compete with potential suitors(since women naturally aren't monogamous) AND her children, that means 1 strike and you're out, regardless of whether or not you're the best ATM/sperm donor/bf ever.

7. Apparently, the last sex partner she had didn't think she was worthy of sticking around with. Hump and dump!

8. Her kids can be powerful manipulators. So if they don't accept you, she won't either.

9. What do you think a single mom wants in a relationship? Money so she can stop wasting hers on her damn kids and go shopping, vacation time so she can get away from them, and birth control so she doesn't make another one. Oh, and food because kids act like the MOST obnoxious 3rd world beggars who haven't eaten in months. Love is the LAST thing on her mind right now!

10. We have her various mistakes as evidence that she's boring and illogical. Her kids get on her nerves. So if YOU get on her nerves, one of you has got to go. By the way, dumping kids is illegal and frowned upon. Oops!

11. She's still a nasty-ass party girl. She didn't have time to grow up! She had KIDS!

12. She's a selfish bitch. And why wouldn't she be? Her kids take up most of her time, energy, money and food.

13. If she's a single mom, she didn't have enough sense to learn valuable skills such as cooking, cleaning and not being f***ing retarded in selecting partners.

14. You get to play around with the kids and have fun. Here's the catch: you'll ALWAYS be dealing with them, because she wants time AWAY from them! You just got turned into a free babysitter.

15. She's terrible at planning. HINT: Betcha she planned to have those 3 stupid and obnoxious kids, huh? That's why she has the government plan for her!

16. They're dishonest, lazy and unappreciative. And stupid apparently. You could give them heaven, and they give you hell in return.

All of these are undisputed facts. And if you're don't agree with them, you're wrong.

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

Ridiculous...can't believe they posted that on their website

Come on man it's a business, many of their clients are single mothers no doubt. Do the math, $$.

#BOOM Just like dat +∞

[tre]

Ridiculous...can't believe they posted that on their website

Come on man it's a business, many of their clients are single mothers no doubt. Do the math, $$.

#BOOM Just like dat +∞

True, I should have phrased it like this:

"Ridiculous....can't believe that visitors actually believe that BS they posted on their website".

The website is obviously all about $$, no argument there. Their commercials make it seem like they are trying to make the world a better place...sickening. I did not know that they don't allow you to "Browse" through photos. For most men, the photo is the first qualifier (or disqualifier). They obviously made this site for women and for men that are complete suckers....

[Taco]

Here's the rebuttal to "15 Reasons To Date A Single Mom"

Is there a “shortageâ€￾ of single fathers?
http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2013/10/28 ... damage.com

[Teal Lantern]

[Chad N. Froyda]

Unless you have Hollywood stud or billionaire status and have plenty of first-choice hotties around you, what is wrong with meeting a few single moms and judging them for who they are?

False dichotomy anyone?

[publicduende]

The first post didn't even take a hard jab, just pointed to an article telling men to risk putting themselves in a position of paying for someone else's fun.

Did Mr. Suave, Smooth, & Mature start his own thread, in Deep Philosophical Discussions extolling the virtues of the rare sweet needle in the haystack?
Nah, you wouldn't have gotten enough attention that way.

Did Mr. Suave, Smooth, & Mature start his own thread, in Rants and Raves decrying obsession with Feminism, Zionism, big government, etc?
Nah, because that wasn't really your issue and you'd score no White Knight points.

No, the only way you could make a big splash in the punch bowl was to be the turd.
You personalized the topic, then acted like it was a direct attack on someone you cared about.
It's not about you or any special snowflake exceptions you have known. We've all known them.
We ALSO know the meaning of "exception".

Now, gallop off to xojane or jezebel and see if they'll give you a cookie or cooze sniff, for standing up to teh evil, misogynist menz.
[/color]

Right, since when is this forum so politically correct and regulated that it is against the rule to "personalize" a topic, especially when a reply sharp to the point and full of common sense (albeit debatable, understood) is responded to with personal insults? You could have sticked to "da rule" and refrained from spouting the usual tired shit to label me.

I was definitely talking about single moms, and it was surely not me diverging with opinions on my (alleged) life experience and maturity (or lack thereof). No intent, indeed no need to make any splash. You even got the metaphor wrong - turds usually are the ones who keep on floating on the surface, without ever going deep into the problem. Sounds familiar?

I sometimes care about people not spouting misogynist nonsense about people or a category you barely know about. You may have READ a lot about single moms or women on fringe forums and blogs. How many of them (women, single moms, people) have you actually met, sweetheart, in your life as a basement dweller and keyboard-only male activist? Do you just think or fantasize about chatting up bar hotties, as your PUA-ish avatar would indicate, or you actually have a desire to know a person (woman, single mom, etc.) for who they are, not based on preconceptions?

You and somebody else just proved that, without the shadow of a doubt, a single mom for all her life mistakes and human baggage can be far preferable to your immature, sorry (and probably incel) arses.

You're not evil, you don't even register that far. You're just a stupid kid hacking away and parroting ideas that he read about and couldn't be bothered exploring and testing on his own.

[publicduende]

Once again, you have proven what a judgmental, slanderous shithead you are Publicduende. From YOUR posts, you clearly have little emotional development yourself. If you did, then you wouldn't be so quick to judge. Let me ask you, if YOU had any "shred of grace, empathy, or common sense," as you like to put it, then why is it all I ever see from you when you write is judgment and condemnation on men in here that you don't know the first thing about even when it is not warranted? Did it ever cross your mind that maybe we are living in DIFFERENT circumstances than you are? We live DIFFERENT lives than you do in DIFFERENT cultures which makes a huge f***ing difference in how we interact with women in each corresponding society and the environment? These things matter. You don't seem to take these into account.

Do you think we are all stupid and don't know that some single moms have been burned? I think the answer is yes. You are an arrogant shit that thinks you know everything about the world. That is how YOU talk. Dude, you are 39 years old. When are you going to grow the f**k up? You don't even know the guy, and yet you think you have some divine right to judge him and others on this forum like the hypocrite you are based on what exactly? One f***ing post about single moms? Do you bother to ask WHY these types of posts are made from the point of view of the OPer? No you don't because your immediate response is trying to make someone sound like he means something that he did not. That is called slander. The more I follow your posts, the more sickening your own hypocrisy becomes.

The fact that you can't even admit that you are a hypocrite is proof that you have some growing up to do. I admit that I am one sometimes, but I do the best I can to check myself at the door before I talk about something. YOU on the other hand don't even bother to put any effort into it. YOU have no restraint on anything that you say to people. No wonder you are pissing so many people off on here. Perhaps the one that owns the delusion is none other than yourself?

Hmm, this must be another one of my magic powers, that of resuscitating dormant posters from the dead.

Now, where do you see the judgement and condemnation? We obviously don't know each other in person and "judge" each other on what we write here. If you, TL or others write posts that are nothing more than a rehash of the same tired stereotypes about Western women, American women, single moms, betas and manginas, what kind of response do you expect to receive? Not just me, but ANYONE with a quantum of common sense and knowledge of how things work outside their little gardens will tell you EXACTLY the same thing: you're taking a part and assuming it's the whole, you're generalising, you're exaggerating and projecting on the basis of preconceptions, fringe theories and stereotypes.

How exactly do you define your "inside" as opposed to my "outside"? You think the pool of single moms in the US is that different from that in the UK, where I have been living for over 15 years? You think I have never seen council estates packed with welfare single moms, the flats and £23K/year in benefits they get as a reward for popping two or three random children who will probably grow up as deprived and dysfunctional as their parents? You think I don't read newspapers and walk around and observe?

The only reason why my take on single moms (as on quite a few other subjects) is different from yours, is because I don't like to generalise and, precisely when my knowledge is uncertain and incomplete, I prefer to keep an open mind and reject final judgements, especially when they sound unnaturally cynical and cruel.


For one last time, all I am saying is: single moms may well be a disturbing social phenomenon by the law of large numbers, yet when looking at each woman individually, they might have something different to tell you from your narrow definition. Single moms are women and, as such, they come in all sorts of flavours. There are underschooled, dumb methheads from deprived neighbourhoods who are single moms, and there are smart girls who got accidentally knocked up by their boyfriends and had the courage to keep their babies and reshape their lives around them, giving them all the love and support of an affectionate, if incomplete, family. Perhaps they have their extended families next to them, or perhaps they will have to brave the storm all alone.

Mind you, I am not adding a poetic vein, I'm just pointing out the obvious.

The problem I see here is not with this specific topic. It's with the chronical lack of tact, empathy and common sense, or the simple intellectual laziness that leads many of you to find solace into a nest of stereotypes and generalisations, finding further comfort in seeing that a majority shares the same views. Feminism, Zionism, big government and even the odd conspiracy thrown in, are a comfortable cushion.

That your have your own circumstances, society and ways to interact with women isn't much of an excuse, if you want to make your points on a public forum open to people the world over. There are books, the web, and - for the more adventurous of you - actual travelling for opening your minds to the bigger picture. The more you open up, the more balanced your views will become. This much I guarantee you.

If you can't see your own judgment and condemnation of us on here, then you are even more f***ed up and self-righteous than I thought. The only reason that I have come on here to respond to you is because you crossed the line by JUDGING the OPer. You can't see that Mr. self-proclaimed perfect common sense? If I have to actually go out and fish those posts out for you, it won't look good for you because there are a ton of them. You are guilty of generalizing just the same as all of us. You are a hypocrite. When you are talking about a culture, what the f**k else are you going to do except generalize? Walk up to each person and set an interview? Common sense, dude common sense.

There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with generalizing when you talk about the problems in a culture which will have a severe impact on you personally if you make the slightest unintended mistake. It's assholes like you that come in here and slander trying to make the generalization of someone else sound like they mean ALL. It doesn't work that way, and if you don't get that in your thick skull, then you need to f**k off, and stop coming in here judging a post thinking that it means something that it does not. By the way, I would love to see you quote one of my posts showing that I am "stereotyping, exaggerating and projecting on the basis of preconceptions." What preconceived notion or basis do you have for this? You don't f***ing know me. Please, asshole show me those posts.

How do YOU define outside and inside? Have you ever been to the west? If so, then for how long and where exactly? By the way, when I say "west," I mean U.S./Canada. Just not to confuse you. Congratulations, you are informed about the UK, and that welfare nightmare over there. I really don't give a flying f**k about your "knowledge" of what is going on over there. It's more your ignorance of us, or what is going on over here, and your perpetual notions, views, judgments, insinuations, slander, self-righteous opinions, and lack of any consideration whatsoever for who is doing the posting. You think in your deluded brain that you have some right to judge. You are guilty of it, and you need to admit it.

If you don't like to generalize, then you may as well not talk about any culture at all. That is the same thing as saying that you don't like talking about any negative aspects of a culture regardless of how real they might be, but if you hear it from someone else with DIFFERENT experiences than yourself, then you have to jump all over him right? You think you have the right to judge right? You don't take one f***ing second to ask why and LISTEN. But instead, you dismiss it and think it means something else, so you try to portray it as we have no knowledge of the "good" single moms out there. You think we don't know that? How do you discern the good from the bad? What ratio can you put on it? Why do you think we shouldn't pay close attention to what is going on, and stack up ways to protect ourselves from say....oh I don't know PATERNITY FRAUD??? If you were as well-informed as you claim, then you would know that is a very real problem.

I don't have a "narrow definition," you f***ing moron. I KNOW what you are saying. I haven't defined it as anything actually because, like you, I keep an open mind too but you see I LISTEN to both sides of the story. You are jumping the gun on this one. From the way that YOU talk, you don't strike me as the type of person to listen at all to both sides. Do you always listen to the woman's side and consider it truth, or do you actually entertain the thought that some of them might be LYING or distorting the facts? Do you bother to take one f***ing minute to listen to what the man has to say, or are you so biased that you will immediately dismiss it to say he needs to "man up?" Where do you see the words that compound a "narrow definition?" I'd love for you to point that one out. Single moms are women...wow really??? Tell me more teacher, I want to learn!! By the way, how exactly is it an "accident" if the smart girls got pregnant from their boyfriends?? I acknowledge that these women really do work hard for their kids, but I question other things about them.

The problem I see with you is your own lack of common f***ing sense, and lack of knowing the other person or the circumstances surrounding each person on here. Also, you fail to put any value or weight on what some people might say that contradict your own "narrow opinions." You are quick say things like "leads many of you to find solace," but let me ask you, does it occur to you that there might be some grain of truth to what the hell some posters are saying about women that have been in their lives? Or how about witnessing the negative events that transpire in front of them on a frequent basis, then thinking that it might be a good idea to proceed with caution? Does it occur to you that maybe if you were in the same situation, and you were raised with DIFFERENT circumstances than what you have now, that you too might find some venue to share common thoughts with other men?

The fact that many of the members here agree on certain things should be a clue for you that there might be something more to the story. So all men (except for the ones that agree with you) on this forum are intellectually lazy, and it is a simple case of we are all losers that make excuses in your eyes? There you go generalizing again, hypocrite. Your final paragraph solidifies my reasoning in pointing out your own ignorance. You really are just f***ing pathetic, PD. So circumstances is "not much of an excuse?"

Dude, I know you didn't just make a complete a** of yourself with that kind of a comment. If someone pushed you off a boat with no vest in stormy waters, and you didn't know how to swim, but I kept telling you to get back in the boat, you reply with "I'm trying, but I can't swim and the current is too rough," then my response is "stop making excuses and get back in the boat," how would YOU respond to someone with this kind of attitude? Some of us are working our asses off in life, and are TRYING to go traveling to get those opportunities. Some of us don't have the TIME for it yet, but are trying to make it. Some of us are saving up the money for it too. I guess you didn't think of those variables which make a real difference did you? So how about you get off your f***ing high horse, and come back down to Earth?

I preferred you in your earlier dormant state.

Sure, "the West" is US/Canada if all you have seen and read about is limited to your PC screen, your back yard, or your neighbourhood, surely one packed full of bad single moms. And you have a sacrosanct right to generalise/judge negatively based on the NOTHING and the NOBODY you have experienced in your underground life.

I DO listen to and respect any opinion, so long they're heartfelt and out of concrete life experience. I stop respecting people when their entire frame of mind and narrative revolve around:
1) what a very limited number of negative events - and the frustrations deriving from those events led them to conjure up and believe;
2) a bunch of writings on fringe Web resources that resonate with 1)

My parents once taught me: if you really have to judge, think twice before you give a positive judgement and think twenty times before you give a negative judgement. I still go by that rule.

[Teal Lantern]

- turds usually are the ones who keep on floating on the surface, without ever going deep into the problem. Sounds familiar?

Yeah. Sounds just like you.

I sometimes care about people not spouting misogynist nonsense about people or a category you barely know about. You may have READ a lot about single moms or women on fringe forums and blogs. How many of them (women, single moms, people) have you actually met, sweetheart, in your life as a basement dweller and keyboard-only male activist?

So, now, you "know" what I've read on blogs vs who I've known in person?
Actually, cupcake, I have known SEVERAL single moms over the decades.
From experience and observation, I can say they are more trouble than they're worth.
Of course, had I spent my formative years with them, in rooms rented by the hour, perhaps I'd hold them in higher esteem, too.
Just a matter of which head does the thinking.

Do you just think or fantasize about chatting up bar hotties, as your PUA-ish avatar would indicate, or you actually have a desire to know a person (woman, single mom, etc.) for who they are, not based on preconceptions?

Wow, bitching about avatars, now?
What's this fascination you have putting me in with PUAs?
Problems, bro? SSRI having negative side effects?
I mention hanging out in bars, chatting up hotties ... um, about never.