Do we give away too much free info as Steve R claims?!

[Banano]

Steve R

If you are so good and successful how come you are so broke?

How come AW dont give you the time of day?

Since you are good public speaker why not become self help guru like A Robbins and make lot of money. I listened to your interviews and you are the guy who can talk some convincing crap.

[Rock]

Just to impress the three jealous braindead stooges I must have:

1.) Doctored all of the photos I have and a few samples given to Winston
2.) Contacted youtube to learn how to insert a thai girl driving me in her car into youtube ( two different girls and videos)
3.) Oh and I also called up American idol to see if I could insert one of their singers voices that got many many likes and compliments into my other video channel. It worked the girls bought it. they thought it was my amazing voice and romantic /confidence that turned them on.

Uhmm here is the thing as a daytrader in 1999-2001 I would make 1200 often times in the first 25 minutes of the market but then I foolishly overtraded with etrade @ $10 a trade and the 770 in commissions ate away most of the profits generated.

Guess what None of you jealous fools will learn what I know but maybe one day I will teach someone deserving and have him sign up for this ghost town forum and prove the success he gained by learning a few things that only experience can teach. And maybe if you stooges weren't so unattractive you wouldn't spend so much time bashing the guys who know what women want. ( hint it's not excessive body fat)

Innovator

1. I assure u nobody here is jealous of you.

2. I've seen one of yr. vids and highly highly doubt u were any kind of a hit with attractive younger ladies in Thailand. I've been going there for a long time, seen a lot there, and even speak some of the language. When Winston was ready to email me some photographic evidence of your popularity and success there, it miraculously never happened. Hmm.

Dude, something like 24 mn people visit that country ever year. I see genuinely attractive 20 year old backpacker guys on Khasoan Rd. taking turns with ladyboys. What does that say - that it's sure not that user friendly if you are new and don't know what you are doing. It may have once been easy but now foreigners are a dime a dozen, even young good looking ones. Some guys may do well there if they put in the serious work and avoid doing what most other tourist types do. But a guy like you who just arrived and looks the way you do, I don't think so. Sure, your dad might have helped connect you. But still, let's see photos of those ladies and then decide. Oh right, you never showed them to anyone but Winston.

3. It's certainly possible that u made net trading profits of 770 K back in 99-01. A lot of inexperienced traders made crazy money back in late 90s because market was so strong. It's kinda reminiscent of Taiwan back in late 80s. But in both cases, the crash came and wiped-out the majority of overconfident novices and even many of the pros. Even just a few years ago, I met a guy in Taiwan who generated nearly NT$100 mn (over US$3 mn) over like 3 years trading TAIEX stocks on margin and then lost it all quickly in 09.

But Winston has cast doubt on you. So if you seriously want to prove u r not BSing, simply show Winston the following:

a. Relevant part of your USA income tax returns for those years (E-trade provides info to IRS automatically so u can't avoid paying tax on those trading gains)

and/or

b. Relevant broker statements from E-trade. Yes, you can print out monthly or annual statements. They are retained in system. I'm sure you did this at the time you filed taxes too.

But even if you did generate those profits, so what. You lost them all in short order and never recovered. Now you think 'smart' people are going to pay you to teach them how to start-up companies and succeed? Where's the logic behind that? And that vid you put up about helping people make money trading - just trying to talk over people's heads. I can see right through it, nothing but hot air. You clearly cannot do what you are claiming you can teach others cus if you could, it wouldn't be hard for you to turn a few thousand into a few hundred thousand over the course of months.

Here's an idea. Open 3 paper trading accounts with major brokers which usually give you a starting balance of 10K to 100K and use your 'skills' to quickly make a lot of paper profits (like at least 20% a month).

I'm just throwing-up ideas so you can redeem yourself. Otherwise, you are just spouting out BS. Any fool can see through you. Don't claim the moral high ground until you've proven yourself NOT to be what Winston claims you are. I've given you concrete ways you can prove Winston wrong:

- Post certain types of photos of yourself succeeding with attractive younger Thai women

- Show broker statements and/or tax returns

- Generate good consistent profits paper trading

So put-up or shut-up.

4. Winston, you claim you are good at reading people. Yet you believed this guy over your resident Thai expert(s) who you've known for a long time. And you defended him aggressively. It seems like he had you conned for quite awhile. Why is it that nobody here was fooled. You even said I believe BSing expats way too easy. Well I wasn't the one who believed this guy, you were! So what gives?

[Winston]

Rock,
Whoa. Just a minute here.

First, I'm sorry I forgot to email you the photos of Steve's girls that he sent me. I'll try to do that soon. But you realize that photos of cute/hot girls doesn't prove anything right? I can send you pics of many hot girls I met in Russia too, but it doesn't prove that I slept with them. Right?

Yes he does have many photos of cute/hot Thai girls. I've seen them. But that doesn't prove that he slept with them because they don't show he and them in bed together. But he does talk dirty on the phone to a lot of them. I've heard him doing that. Does that prove anything? You tell me.

I never said that Steve's claims about Thailand were true or false, or that I believed him. Read my past posts again. I said that he sounds very sincere, but I can't prove anything either way. But even if his claims in Thailand were true, that is only his experience. It doesn't mean any expat can do the same. I made that clear long ago.

Make sure to let him know that by "paper trading accounts" that he has nothing to do because it would sort of be a simulation of stock trading done without real money.

Steve's excuse is that he may be broke now, but he has great ideas that will make him rich and profitable someday. But lots of broke guys have pie in the sky dreams and talk big. So it's nothing unique. He seems to live in the future.

One problem I do see in him is that he is very impatient and expects his ideas to come to fruition quickly. When they don't, he blames everyone for being stupid and lazy for not buying into what he has to offer. I get the sense that he is not very aware and is a bit out of touch with reality in that he has a lot of unrealistic expectations. The fact that he tries to take two turns when he plays board games without waiting his turn, is very revealing of the fact that he just isn't aware of things around him. Sometimes, little things say a lot about a person's nature.

Also, like many white guys with big dreams and big talk, he talks a lot more than he puts things into action.

Rock, you may be far more experience in Thailand than him. But how do you know that Steve didn't just get lucky or have good connections? Sometimes things happen that defy probability right?

So far, I have not caught Steve lying red handed. So I can't call him a liar or con man. He has not attempted to swindle me or anyone I know. He just talks big and makes big promises. Some guys are like that, they just talk big and exaggerate. It doesn't mean they are deceivers, maybe deluded though. It's sort of a gray area.

He is unrealistic though, in expecting that people see him as 100 percent credible and real, simply because he says he is.

However, you gotta understand that deep down, Steve is not a bad person. He has a good heart. But he has delusions of grandeur, is way too arrogant, and has unrealistic expectations. No one is perfect.

[Repatriate]

The fact that he tries to take two turns when he plays board games without waiting his turn, is very revealing of the fact that he just isn't aware of things around him. Sometimes, little things say a lot about a person's nature.

So he even cheats at board games. Sounds like a swell guy.

However, you gotta understand that deep down, Steve is not a bad person. He has a good heart. But he has delusions of grandeur, is way too arrogant, and has unrealistic expectations. No one is perfect.

So this guy is a loudmouth, braggart, cheats at board games, and is an arrogant twat to boot. What exactly were the good qualities again?

Guys like this are a dime a dozen and they are about as trustworthy and loyal as a Detroit used car salesman.

Why do you keep pushing this con man on us and asking us to absolve him of his (serious) character flaws do you have some sort of romantic crush on him?

Winston you are starting to sound like a battered wife trying to convince yourself and others that your man is good and that we should all understand he has a good heart and he doesn't mean to slap you around sometime or say those hurtful things.

This scumbag would not be anywhere close to my social circle or in my presence. The problem is Winston something is broken with your people compass. You have a bad habit in entertaining or letting in obvious scammers into your personal life and they just fill your head with nonsense shuck and jive.

[Winston]

Repatriate,
No I wouldn't call it cheating. Why would anyone cheat in a board game when there's nothing to gain? I said that he keeps trying to take two turns, not deliberately, but because he seems UNAWARE that he is supposed to wait for the other guy to make his turn. It's a matter of simple awareness. I don't think it's deliberate. He is just overly eager to move again and so he forgets that it's not his turn. Understand?

I'm just saying that such a habit means that he is unaware, overly impulsive, reckless and doesn't think before he acts. Not that he's a fraud.

His good qualities are:

- He is a good orator and smooth talker. Very articulate and persuasive. Strong energy in his voice. Good for a radio talk show host.
- He is passionate about truth, or his truth.
- Deep down he has a good heart.
- He is a freethinker who understands conspiracies and can see through BS from government and corporate media.
- Like many of you, he believes that spending time with a woman has no value unless she puts out. Not saying that's good. But a lot of you are like that too. You don't truly enjoy female company unless there's sex involved.

I'm not trying to defend him. Just being fair and balanced in my assessment of him.

But my primary complaint is that he has a bad attitude in believing that only he, his brother and friends are worthy of being in this movement, while the rest of the guys here are undeserving. That's a bad attitude, especially since there is nothing about him that makes him more worthy than everyone else here.

[Winston]

Steve R,

Serious questions for you:

So are you saying that this site should be private for paying members only, and its content not made public? How would we get any traffic then, since most of our traffic comes from Google and Yahoo? Did you consider that?

Why should I mess with my business model? The business model I have now of allowing free speech and making the site public and monetizing it with various forms of advertising and dating site commissions, has worked out well. It's given me a satisfactory income. Why should I take the risk of changing it to a private site for paying members only? Why would that work better or make more money?

Can you please explain that Steve? Why change a system that works to one that probably won't? Please elaborate.

Also, you are no expert in online business or online marketing at all. You are not even a qualified person in this area. So why do you like to tell others what to do? Why can't you humble yourself and stop acting like a know-it-all? Don't you know that giving bad advice is dangerous? What if you're wrong? Don't you think about that?

[innovatorsclub]

Winston first of all I never told you to change your business model. I simply conveyed frustration with the fact that I , like most, don't like being used by giving free valuable information w/o it being a win-win outcome. Sure it's working for you but at what price for some others? (you conveniently failed to address my brothers feedback of that girl getting 3k emails and only after others validated my similar point were you open minded enough to stop your trash talking and maybe listen. If you admitted you were wrong and that you twisted my words then I would feel better about responding here. You said I was crazy and went on an off the charts ..way over the line attack as if I was the only one who felt that way. Then when you discovered others felt the same as me you showed you would never give credit where credit is due. This is similar to people saying it's all you/some of us why 90% aren't dating enough. Hecklers with unearned egos ( the repatriat turd) who trash talk someone for being ahead of the curve and by making assumptions/conclusions w/o knowing what they are talking about should be forced to be a man and admit the guy with the idea was right. High caliber people don't feel the need to prove themselves to hecklers that simple don't matter. I never wanted to show people my pictures because I care more about and get results than boasting about my success. I would prefer it being a secret and have no intention of giving away my secrets..My singing did turn many girls on and the repatriat turd will never in his life be able to duplicate my singing or ahead of the curve vision/creativity and rare knowledge. Oh in his mind women don't like singers right?

[deasil875]

Winston it would behoove you to keep HA in the spirit of Open Source like it has been.

[Winston]

Steve,
First of all, please answer my questions WITHOUT putting insults and personal attacks in them. My questions are serious honest questions. Can you please answer them without ad hominem attacks? Thanks.

So only people who contribute to the movement should be allowed in it? Again, what do you propose? That I lock out this site from public view and only allow contributors to society in? Again, I could lose a lot of money and traffic by doing that. Why should I do that just to appease your ego?

Besides, anyone can claim that they did something for society. It's highly subject and anyone can claim anything. What do you suggest? That I investigate anyone who comes into the club and try to verify their contribution to society? lol

What are you suggesting? Obviously, you are proposing drastic changes that could screw everything up. Why do you think they would be better? Please explain. These are honest questions.

[Billy]

winston, where did you find that scamming idiot. reminds me of the scammer pan. how much energy was spent on him? - man keep the scammers at bay. even the blind sense that he is a cheap scammer. - or do you want him spamming the whole forum for month to come?

steve, all people here smell bullshit why don´t you go somewhere where people like being scammed by you? oh right broken guys are not worth being scammed.

good bye steve, close the door kindly.

winston, you need to buy a better bs detector. btw. what happened to your old friend two-feather? lol.