In Asia, I don't feel oppressed like in the USA...

[zboy1]

Whenever I'm in America, I feel so totally depressed by the feeling of oppression I get for being an Asian male--but in China, as well as in other Asian countries I've been to--I don't feel that way at all...It's such a relief not having that feeling of oppression around your neck all the time, like whenever I'm back home in the States...

I don't think non-Asian men know the exact feeling I'm talking about, so my post may very well go over the head of most of you guys, but anyway...

All those depressing and angry articles written by Asian men and women in the Anglo West on the Internet, makes me realize how much better it is to be in Asian in Asia than in the West, which is why I don't get why more Asian men don't end up fleeing to Asia as a sanctuary.

I mean...the ostracization of being an Asian man is almost non-existent in this part-of-the world--and sometimes--is even an advantage in terms of dating and meeting women.

I mean, I never have to read articles like this from an Asian American male writer:
Are Asian Men Undateable?
http://www.policymic.com/articles/74135 ... undateable

Although to be fair, in the comments section--a sizeable number of non-Asian females seem to really love Asian men, so that gives me some joy in reading that..


Check out some of these articles from some feminist, Asian American women:

ASIAN MALE STEREOTYPES COMPLICATE MY LOVE LIFE
http://www.thebolditalic.com/articles/4 ... -love-life

Why Yellow Fever is different than having a type
http://www.thebolditalic.com/articles/3 ... ng-a-type-

All of these angry articles are written by angry Asian American women--not men! Hahaha...
These women are angry at the stereotypes of Asian men from White men--yet, both these bitches are dating White guys, lol...



Anyway, it just goes to show you how messed-up it is for both Asian American men and women in the West...although, again, the bright spot for me was reading quite a number of non-Asian females defending Asian men, which gives me hope for the future...

If that trend continues, then maybe one day I might return to the US of A. Until then, I'm happier being in Asia...

[Moretorque]

America is the freest country ever, you just do not know how to handle being in such a free environment. The social engineers have done a marvelous job on this country. I mean come on we have a system set up to where we don't pay for anything, we just print some numbers up then haul everybody else's goods and natural resources off. And if they don't like that we just go take what we want from them in the name of setting up a democratic society.

If the Forefathers were alive today who put America together they would be in total awe of the con job this country has pulled off world wide and really get a chuckle with how far we have advanced over their pee shooters to enforce our freedoms and justice world wide.

[mguy]

Asian-American guys should move to Asia, invest their energy and capital into a society that is respectful to them.

[Winston]

Yeah I know what you mean Zboy. I've never understood why America feels so oppressive, when it claims to be free? Weird. I guess you are only free to be a workaholic.

The feeling of oppression in America is like something psychological and energy-wise too. It's hard to explain. But it's real. I'm sure white people feel it too, especially white people who have a rich sensitive soul.

I know white guys who feel exactly the same way we do. If you have a soul in America, you suffer. If you don't, you suffer less.

[Moretorque]

Currency debasement sums a lot of it up, the average house in about 1970 was 15 grand and the average pay was 8 grand a year so you could more than pay for the average house in 2 years average salary.

Before the housing bubble popped in 2008 the FED had inflated the average house to 315 grand and in no way can the average salary pay for that in 2 years.

When you are talking about the US you are talking about the British Empire nothing more, it is the old world order with nothing new about it.

We are losing all our property rights here quickly. The 10 planks of the British empire sums where we have arrived 80 years later after the bankruptcy of America.

[rootlesscosmopolitan]

@zboy1

I don't think its exactly rocketscience. To me its pretty obvious why this is the case. For starters, I have been lurking on this site for a while now, so I am somewhat familiar with your beliefs and how you think, that being said, I recall reading somewhere that you stated that you believe in racial differences. Terrific, so do I. That being said, you complain that you feel "oppressed" or out of place in America, which is a majority white nation and as a result has a predominately "white" culture. Do you see the disconnect yet? Obviously because of racial differences, asian people have a different mindset than white people. Things that appeal to white people, and certain ways of thinking unique to white people do not appeal to asian people generally. So of course you feel out of place in america, you are surrounded by people that are fundamentally different from you and have different ways of interacting and thinking. For me personally, while I do have a few select white friends who I am comfortable with, I am unable to connect with the white population in america as a whole beyond a superficial level, and its not for lack of trying either. Sometimes when I am discussing non-superficial things with white people, its almost like I am speaking another language to them or something. Its like they simply don't understand the words that are coming out of my mouth and are unable to grasp the logic of my words. (I am a 2nd generation asian american and speak english fluently, so an actual language barrier is not the problem.) So as a result, ive surmised after years of observation that whites simply see things differently than asians, and the twain shall never meet.

Additionally a second factor is that you're a minority in this country. Of course minorities get treated differently, this is common sense and applies to any person who is a minority in a foreign country.

Lastly, I want to say that I can agree with most of what you say. When I am in america I constantly feel stressed and on edge, but miraculously this feeling goes away when im in asia. Its a pretty good feeling.

[Yohan]

I've never understood why America feels so oppressive, when it claims to be free? Weird. I guess you are only free to

The problem is not about race, the problem - same as in any Western country in Europe - is about that your life is overregulated.

In Western countries you have to be a lawyer and a psychologist to feel comfortable.

The only freedom you have in Western countries is to leave if you do not agree with the system. It is up to you to save up money and to get on an airplane and try to find a life-style which fits you better somewhere else.

Considering the huge difference between poor and rich in this world, I guess you are still better off to be born in Western countries. Your chances to change your life for your best in the way you like it are much better than in any developing country.

[WindowLicker]

I don't think that any group is particularly happy under the multicult. Regarding many of the complaints that other groups mention about Whites, I and many others among us feel similarly toward you guys. I believe that the differences are real, and that they make many groups of people completely incompatible in a situation of forced close proximity.

I don't say it with hatred whatsoever; and for what it's worth, I feel that the #1 culprit is White "progressives".

Angela Merkel was correct, in my opinion: The experiment has been a failure.

[rootlesscosmopolitan]

I've never understood why America feels so oppressive, when it claims to be free? Weird. I guess you are only free to

The problem is not about race, the problem - same as in any Western country in Europe - is about that your life is overregulated.

In Western countries you have to be a lawyer and a psychologist to feel comfortable.

The only freedom you have in Western countries is to leave if you do not agree with the system. It is up to you to save up money and to get on an airplane and try to find a life-style which fits you better somewhere else.

Considering the huge difference between poor and rich in this world, I guess you are still better off to be born in Western countries. Your chances to change your life for your best in the way you like are much better than in any developing country.

ive read many of your posts and thats always your conclusion, "its not about race its not about race its not about race" ad nauseam. Is race the only issue? Nope. Is race a major part of this feeling of alienation? YUP. That's your issue, you think that you can paper over racial differences with culture, but you vastly overestimate the importance of culture, and vastly underestimate the importance of racial differences.

One other thing I have noticed about you from lurking here is that you enjoy throwing out anecdotes of how well integrated and assimilated people are in the phillipines, brazil, etc etc, but the thing is, I highly doubt you know that for sure. Do the different ethnic/racial groups in phillipines/brazil/etc get along reasonably well? Yup. I have no doubt that at some level they get along well and enjoy each others company, but do they get along so well that its almost as if race doesn't matter at all? LOL. I highly highly highly doubt that. Hell, I live in america, I am asian and I have tons of friends from different races and we go out and party, shoot the shit and have a good time, does that mean that I "get" my friends 100%? Nope! The only people that really "get" me beyond a superficial level are 9 out of 10 times asian people. Of course to an external observer they would naturally assume that I am fully integrated into this society, but since they have never actually bothered to find out what racial/ethnic issues actually exist beneath the surface, they have no idea what they are talking about.

[rootlesscosmopolitan]

I don't think that any group is particularly happy under the multicult. Regarding many of the complaints that other groups mention about Whites, I and many others among us feel similarly toward you guys. I believe that the differences are real, and that they make many groups of people completely incompatible in a situation of forced close proximity.

I don't say it with hatred whatsoever; and for what it's worth, I feel that the #1 culprit is White "progressives".

Angela Merkel was correct, in my opinion: The experiment has been a failure.

hey windowlicker, nice to meet you. Speaking only for myself, I have no ill feelings towards white people. Growing up as an asian guy in a mostly white town, I did have a certain degree of dislike for whites when I was younger, however as I have gotten older and more wise, I realize now that whites and asians are fundamentally different, thus this is why I always felt varying degrees of tension, exclusion, oppression and "racism" from whites when I was growing up. If it were a white person growing up in asia, they too would no doubt have a similar experience to mine. I just want to say that I don't blame white people for not fully accepting me, its really not their fault, rather, this is just a common outcome of multiculturalism.

On that note, I don't want to overexaggerate the degree of exclusion and hostility I have received from white people. On the contrary, most white people have been friendly and cordial to me. It would be an outright lie to claim that whites are racist assholes, because this just isnt true. Rather the main thrust of my earlier comment is just that I find it very hard to have more than superficial relations with the majority of white people I meet because our respective racially unique ways of thinking are so different.

[Yohan]

ive read many of your posts and thats always your conclusion, "its not about race

you vastly overestimate the importance of culture, and vastly underestimate the importance of racial differences.

I live in america, I am asian

One other thing I have noticed about you from lurking here is that you enjoy throwing out anecdotes of how well integrated and assimilated people are in the phillipines, brazil, etc etc, but the thing is, I highly doubt you know that for sure. Do the different ethnic/racial groups in phillipines/brazil/etc get along reasonably well?

Race related issues are widely exaggerated in USA, for me from Europe this is not the case, I have no problem about 'race'.

About Brazil, you maybe mistaken me with somebody else, I never write about Brazil, I am not familiar with Latin America.

About Asia, I am a white man, living and working in Tokyo with my Japanese family, take care of a Filipina fosterdaughter in Cebu, and my place for vacation and future retirement is in Pattaya. - What counts for sure in Asia is your money. Discrimination, so far in over 3 decades in Asia, I noticed that only from a few people, but I don't care - you cannot be friend with everybody.

The worst racist related stories are from UK, USA and South Africa, it's not everywhere like that.

About your question if ethnic/racial groups in Philippines are getting along well? Race (white vs. yellow) is the minor issue, the much more serious issue is religion in most parts of Asia, Christianity - Islam (Philippines), Hinduism - Islam (India), Buddhism - Islam (Thailand/Myanmar) etc.

For sure religion plays a much bigger role regarding socializing than race in all Asia.

[rootlesscosmopolitan]

ive read many of your posts and thats always your conclusion, "its not about race

you vastly overestimate the importance of culture, and vastly underestimate the importance of racial differences.

I live in america, I am asian

One other thing I have noticed about you from lurking here is that you enjoy throwing out anecdotes of how well integrated and assimilated people are in the phillipines, brazil, etc etc, but the thing is, I highly doubt you know that for sure. Do the different ethnic/racial groups in phillipines/brazil/etc get along reasonably well?

Race related issues are widely exaggerated in USA, for me from Europe this is not the case, I have no problem about 'race'.

About Brazil, you maybe mistaken me with somebody else, I never write about Brazil, I am not familiar with Latin America.

About Asia, I am a white man, living and working in Tokyo with my Japanese family, take care of a Filipina fosterdaughter in Cebu, and my place for vacation and future retirement is in Pattaya. - What counts for sure in Asia is your money. Discrimination, so far in over 3 decades in Asia, I noticed that only from a few people, but I don't care - you cannot be friend with everybody.

The worst racist related stories are from UK, USA and South Africa, it's not everywhere like that.

About your question if ethnic/racial groups in Philippines are getting along well? Race (white vs. yellow) is the minor issue, the much more serious issue is religion in most parts of Asia, Christianity - Islam (Philippines), Hinduism - Islam (India), Buddhism - Islam (Thailand/Myanmar) etc.

For sure religion plays a much bigger role regarding socializing than race in all Asia.

Its painful how myopic you seem to be. Apparently since you have no problem/issues with race then nobody else has them either right? Also, its obvious that you are attached to your point of view, which is fine, I am also attached to my point of view. My issue with your posts is that you try to pretend to be impartial when its painfully obvious that you are committed to only pushing your point of view and condescendingly dismiss other potentially valid views.

If you bothered to actually pay attention to anything I wrote then you would see that I claimed that racism in america was actually not that bad, and that I have many friends of many different races who I hang out with on a regular basis; however my main issue is that I have problems developing non-superficial relations with most white people, and instead find it easier to bond with other asian people. (particularly other asian americans) Thus your opinion about the racism problem in america vis a vis europe isn't even relevant in this situation.

regarding you saying that in asia the only thing that counts is your money, and thus implying that money is more important than your race when it comes to asia is probably only a half truth. Of course having money in asia (or anywhere for that matter) is important, however I still have a hard time imagining japanese people at large/society fully accepting you as one of their own and completely looking past your race. Again, my main thrust was never about overt discrimination or racism. I have no doubt that you have experienced little overt discrimination in japan, however I still doubt you are fully accepted there is every aspect of japanese society.

Regarding the philippines, I highly doubt you have any idea about the actual inter-ethnic/inter-racial dynamic that actually exists over there. Am I claiming that all the different ethnic/racial groups in the phillipines are constantly at each other's throats? NOPE. However I am making the claim that race probably matters a lot more than you are acting like it does, and how would you even know? Have you actually talked with a sizeable amount of filipinos from myriad ethnic groups about this very topic? From what I have seen so for with your presumptive attitude, I am willing to guess that your experience is probably relatively small, and for the most part you experience the phillipines as a european white guy, and are not privy to the actual state of interethnic/interracial relations in the phillipines as seen from the eyes of someone who is actually filipino.

For sure religion plays a much bigger role regarding socializing than race in all Asia.

this quote just made me laugh. The reason I find your views so absurd is because you try to shoehorn everything into your little "race doesnt matter at all" paradigm, even when its a lousy fit, that along with you making such a bombastic statement such as this. Religion trumps race/ethnicity in ALL of asia? LOL. Ok man. I guess the reason that there is tension in japanese society regarding korean people is because of korean people's religion, LOL.

No seriously, race isn't the most important thing and I will gladly acknowledge that, but you lose all credibility when you try to act like race doesnt/shouldn't matter at all.

[WindowLicker]

Hi Rootless, good to meet you, too. I can relate to a lot of what you said above, even from the white side, believe it or not. I am starting to see things as being that the current tensions aren't even completely one side's fault...that they are totally mutual by now, and that truly NO group in this country (or in the West in general) are happy with this setup. Nobody really feels "at home", comfortable or compatible beyond a fairly cautious and superficial level.

I have seen some studies whose results even Lefty doesn't deny, finding that enforced multiculturalism is decreasing trust, openness and a sense of community among all of the various groups in the West- not just "racist" whites whom leftists so love to scapegoat for 100% of it. I believe that the studies are fairly credible.

I think that every ethnic group really does have its own ways, views and even, yes, physical differences- and that these are big enough to make for incompatibility. Homogenous societies almost always seem to fare much better.

IMO, cramming us all together like sardines in a pressurized tin is a sure-fire recipe for worsened problems, rather than for increased understanding and peace. Punishing the white side for any objection, in order to make everything perfectly fair for all other groups, isn't working, either. Extreme hate-group activity is surging hundreds of factors higher than what it was as recently as the '80s. Meanwhile, yours is one of a zillion personal stories that I've heard from non-white people who still are suffering problems fitting in, problems feeling comfortable and like they are being treated fairly, etc., no matter how much "diversity" white progs keep enforcing harder every year. It just isn't working.

For the record, I am absolutely not any kind of WN; just an old-fashioned type growing increasingly tired of being trapped in Lisa Simpson's social-studies project...and I don't blame other ethnic groups for feeling the same, for your own reasons. Even if whites hadn't mistreated non-whites in the past, I believe that these tensions still would be as much of a problem today, because differences are real, and big, and differences count...and it's nobody's fault. It just is.

I find Yohan's comments above to be typical postmodernist denial so popular among today's West Europeans. They'll say and do anything in order to make themselves feel superior over Americans and, to a lesser extent, South Africans. Anything to assuage their guilt-complexes with moralism and pseudo-intellectualism at every turn, and always directed straight at us.

West Europe, too, will be finding out the hard way, soon enough, what joy all this "vibrant diversity" brings...and I won't feel especially sorry for them either way. We tried to warn them, and got shunned as "racists" for it. Now, as far as I'm concerned, what happens to our cousins across the sea, is their problem, and no concern of mine. Hell, maybe one silver lining to the whole thing will be that Sharia will knock some discipline back into the arrogant, spoiled fuccers. Neither the Turks nor the Moroccans are all that "non-judgmental" about binge-drinking, cocaine and promiscuity...

[rootlesscosmopolitan]

Hi Rootless, good to meet you, too. I can relate to a lot of what you said above, even from the white side, believe it or not. I am starting to see things as being that the current tensions aren't even completely one side's fault...that they are totally mutual by now, and that truly NO group in this country (or in the West in general) are happy with this setup. Nobody really feels "at home", comfortable or compatible beyond a fairly cautious and superficial level.

I have seen some studies whose results even Lefty doesn't deny, finding that enforced multiculturalism is decreasing trust, openness and a sense of community among all of the various groups in the West- not just "racist" whites whom leftists so love to scapegoat for 100% of it. I believe that the studies are fairly credible.

I think that every ethnic group really does have its own ways, views and even, yes, physical differences- and that these are big enough to make for incompatibility. Homogenous societies almost always seem to fare much better.

IMO, cramming us all together like sardines in a pressurized tin is a sure-fire recipe for worsened problems, rather than for increased understanding and peace. Punishing the white side for any objection, in order to make everything perfectly fair for all other groups, isn't working, either. Extreme hate-group activity is surging hundreds of factors higher than what it was as recently as the '80s. Meanwhile, yours is one of a zillion personal stories that I've heard from non-white people who still are suffering problems fitting in, problems feeling comfortable and like they are being treated fairly, etc., no matter how much "diversity" white progs keep enforcing harder every year. It just isn't working.

For the record, I am absolutely not any kind of WN; just an old-fashioned type growing increasingly tired of being trapped in Lisa Simpson's social-studies project...and I don't blame other ethnic groups for feeling the same, for your own reasons. Even if whites hadn't mistreated non-whites in the past, I believe that these tensions still would be as much of a problem today, because differences are real, and big, and differences count...and it's nobody's fault. It just is.

I find Yohan's comments above to be typical postmodernist denial so popular among today's West Europeans. They'll say and do anything in order to make themselves feel superior over Americans and, to a lesser extent, South Africans. Anything to assuage their guilt-complexes with moralism and pseudo-intellectualism at every turn, and always directed straight at us.

West Europe, too, will be finding out the hard way, soon enough, what joy all this "vibrant diversity" brings...and I won't feel especially sorry for them either way. We tried to warn them, and got shunned as "racists" for it. Now, as far as I'm concerned, what happens to our cousins across the sea, is their problem, and no concern of mine. Hell, maybe one silver lining to the whole thing will be that Sharia will knock some discipline back into the arrogant, spoiled fuccers. Neither the Turks nor the Moroccans are all that "non-judgmental" about binge-drinking, cocaine and promiscuity...

I don't really have anything to add to this, you summed it up pretty well. Unfortunately most people do not realize the importance of the race factor when it comes to levels of familiarity and compatibility in a mixed race society. In fact, I think that many of the younger generation are unable to comprehend the race factor at all because they have never experienced what a homogeneous society (where there are high levels of trust and compatibility) feels like to begin with. People have just been growing up assuming that cautious and superficial relationships are the norm. Don't get me wrong, Im not saying that homogeneity is the only contributing factor to a healthy society, but its one of the major factors that's for sure. As you said though, events appear to be "quickening", so I suppose we'll see some dramatic changes in our lifetime. In any case, it looks like we got front row seats

[Yohan]

Asian-American guys should move to Asia, invest their energy and capital into a society that is respectful to them.

This is a good argument, but most Asian-American men refuse as life in general is much better for them in USA than in Asia, many Asian countries are underdeveloped, and the political situation is anything but stable.

I asked Asian-Americans why they do not go back, as many Asian countries accept overseas Asians with a former background to their nation of origin.

Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Philippines, but also Japan welcome those people to come back.

Well, I was asking this question here in this forum but did not get any reply, except calling me an idiot or troll - but this is not a good argument.

The reason why some Asian American refuse to go back to Asia is about their personal freedom, I think. In USA they can complain and blame the white majority population for their own failures.

In Asia however, they find themselves among their own people - they cannot claim they are a member of the Asian-American minority and complain about 'white privileges' and discrimination - as there are no white people around them anymore... only Asians like themselves...