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Repatriate wrote:I actually sat down and read through this guy's whole manifesto because he had a similar background to a lot of hapas I know. I've come to the conclusion he was just mentally ill so there's no point in rationalizing the whys and why nots because a lot of his reasoning was very bizarre. His observations about the social isolation of American culture is on point but the conclusions he made and the actions he took were obvious insanity.

It's sad and depressing but predictable. America will never address these mass shootings in any sensible way. If you look at the media right now and the associated comment section every single group has come forth to claim victimhood or argue for a slice of the political pie. [ snip ] There's very little self analysis but lots of political jockeying for position in American society.

I really do think America is a lost cause socially speaking. I have investments in the country still so I hope it doesn't tank during my lifetime but I will do everything in my power to never have to live there again.
The only place where this self-analysis seems to be happening is HA. Everywhere else, it's the same old, same old jib jab.

As for his insanity, I'm not sure he's any more off the wall, than many other frustrated youths. Realize this, a lot of ppl are mopping around, simply depressed all the time. I recall one angry guy calling me an @sshole, because I was smiling in front of him. I didn't even say a word, nor did I make eye contact. Anyways, after he'd left the scene, I was with a friend and my friend made sure that this character was far away from us before we exited the premises.

For Rodgers, his fixation on the blonde ambition, getting a Marilyn Monroe type, was probably the beginning of the end, as those are the toughest bimbos to lasso in America, esp So Cal. At least after my two failed AW relationships, both white brunettes, I'd expanded my dragnet quite a bit, from ages 22 to 24 (along with doing the occasional Quebec esc@rt/stripper, to relax and keep focus), until I'd left the country & saw that no one needed to date an AW.

I had NO good advice from anyone, during those years. Ppl are all the same, buying into the BS that the right one, was just around the corner, as if relationships in America were like stock picking. It's not. Today, many of those optimists are divorced a/o facing child payments. The percentage of happy couples in America are a minority. Ppl have learned to internalize their disappointments and thus, continue to spew bad advice to maintain that sense of cognitive dissonance.

Rodgers couldn't escape his identification with the false notions of romantic love. If he were in fact, completely cynical, he would have gone to hoes in Nevada, Tijuana, or elsewhere, and labelled women as *all being the same*. That in itself, would have saved him as he'd be another angry ex-pat, who'd eventually calm down, once he finds the right Latin GF.
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Cornfed wrote:It is events like this that vindicate the position of most posters here of recognizing there are serious problems with modern society, identifying the problems and trying to come up with solutions.
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S_Parc wrote:
Repatriate wrote:I actually sat down and read through this guy's whole manifesto because he had a similar background to a lot of hapas I know. I've come to the conclusion he was just mentally ill so there's no point in rationalizing the whys and why nots because a lot of his reasoning was very bizarre. His observations about the social isolation of American culture is on point but the conclusions he made and the actions he took were obvious insanity.

It's sad and depressing but predictable. America will never address these mass shootings in any sensible way. If you look at the media right now and the associated comment section every single group has come forth to claim victimhood or argue for a slice of the political pie. [ snip ] There's very little self analysis but lots of political jockeying for position in American society.

I really do think America is a lost cause socially speaking. I have investments in the country still so I hope it doesn't tank during my lifetime but I will do everything in my power to never have to live there again.
The only place where this self-analysis seems to be happening is HA. Everywhere else, it's the same old, same old jib jab.

As for his insanity, I'm not sure he's any more off the wall, than many other frustrated youths. Realize this, a lot of ppl are mopping around, simply depressed all the time. I recall one angry guy calling me an @sshole, because I was smiling in front of him. I didn't even say a word, nor did I make eye contact. Anyways, after he'd left the scene, I was with a friend and my friend made sure that this character was far away from us before we exited the premises.

For Rodgers, his fixation on the blonde ambition, getting a Marilyn Monroe type, was probably the beginning of the end, as those are the toughest bimbos to lasso in America, esp So Cal. At least after my two failed AW relationships, both white brunettes, I'd expanded my dragnet quite a bit, from ages 22 to 24 (along with doing the occasional Quebec esc@rt/stripper, to relax and keep focus), until I'd left the country & saw that no one needed to date an AW.

I had NO good advice from anyone, during those years. Ppl are all the same, buying into the BS that the right one, was just around the corner, as if relationships in America were like stock picking. It's not. Today, many of those optimists are divorced a/o facing child payments. The percentage of happy couples in America are a minority. Ppl have learned to internalize their disappointments and thus, continue to spew bad advice to maintain that sense of cognitive dissonance.

Rodgers couldn't escape his identification with the false notions of romantic love. If he were in fact, completely cynical, he would have gone to hoes in Nevada, Tijuana, or elsewhere, and labelled women as *all being the same*. That in itself, would have saved him as he'd be another angry ex-pat, who'd eventually calm down, once he finds the right Latin GF.
I skimmed his autobiography last night. He was sick. He even planned to jealously kill his much younger brother (cus he could already tell he would do very well with women after puberty) even though had developed a good bond with him growing up. He also mercilessly knifed to death those 3 meek Chinese male students in his house just for logistics reasons even though he harbored no jealousy towards them. He even contemplated killing his father if need be.

The guy had sympathy for one person and one person only - himself. Everyone else around him was only there to be used by him or at least not get in his way. Pretty cut-and-dried.

Most frustrated youths have a lot more heart than that. Yes a certain percentage of the population has the potential to become full blown psychopaths but I believe that percentage is still very small - like 1-3%. He fell into that category and his circumstances pushed him over.
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Rock wrote:
S_Parc wrote:As for his insanity, I'm not sure he's any more off the wall, than many other frustrated youths. Realize this, a lot of ppl are mopping around, simply depressed all the time. I recall one angry guy calling me an @sshole, because I was smiling in front of him. I didn't even say a word, nor did I make eye contact. Anyways, after he'd left the scene, I was with a friend and my friend made sure that this character was far away from us before we exited the premises.
I skimmed his autobiography last night. He was sick. He even planned to jealously kill his much younger brother (cus he could already tell he would do very well with women after puberty) even though had developed a good bond with him growing up. He also mercilessly knifed to death those 3 meek Chinese male students in his house just for logistics reasons even though he harbored no jealousy towards them. He even contemplated killing his father if need be.

The guy had sympathy for one person and one person only - himself. Everyone else around him was only there to be used by him or at least not get in his way. Pretty cut-and-dried.

Most frustrated youths have a lot more heart than that. Yes a certain percentage of the population has the potential to become full blown psychopaths but I believe that percentage is still very small - like 1-3%. He fell into that category and his circumstances pushed him over.
Yes, he was sick but his final statement, if you want to call it that, was the end of the road. In other words, that was when he'd given into nothing but sheer hate. There was no point in him, censoring his feelings at that point.

And disliking one's parents and sibling is something I'm familiar with. For me, separate ways is the modern solution, though perhaps back in medieval times, I may have resorted to something more dramatic, since sword fighting was legal back then, as in Shakespeare's Hamlet.

This sort of stuff happens, when unprocessed feelings go on for too long. I'd say it's closer to 10% of the population, 15% if drugs are involved.
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Rock wrote:Most frustrated youths have a lot more heart than that. Yes a certain percentage of the population has the potential to become full blown psychopaths but I believe that percentage is still very small - like 1-3%. He fell into that category and his circumstances pushed him over.
That is still a frighteningly high percentage, even when considering that the stream of bad life events that could truly push them over the limit is a fraction of the unity. Say 2% are potential violent psychos and each of them has a 25% chance to be exasperated to the point of planning a killing. That makes 0.5% of young people in America.

What is the probability that that disgraced 0.5% will have access to firearms as tools to pursue their agendas? Almost 100%. Now, that's truly chilling.

0.5% is about human nature and the state of our society, neither of which are things that can be changed overnight. The latter figure is something that would only require a well-concerted political act, even without giving a rat's ass about the NRA and the grassroot libertarian movements, to curb down or reduce to negligible. They did it in the UK in 1997, the year after a notorious massacre where a Scottish paedophile killed 16 children and one teacher. Piers Morgan tried to reignite the debate after the Batman mass shooting and hit a brick wall (or a rubber wall, as it also involved Alex Jones).

I say sexual starvation is one half of the problem. Shooting someone with bullets instead of jizz is the other half.
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publicduende wrote:I say sexual starvation is one half of the problem. Shooting someone with bullets instead of jizz is the other half.
If I had a pile of cash and a time machine and I went back in time to the year 2009, this is what I'd do.

I'd get a hold of this kid at the age of 17, bring him to the Hotel Del Ray in Costa Rica or Pattaya Beach Thailand. I'd make sure that at least one or two hotties were doing him, every single day. I'd have him register for the Penn State online program and then, he'd never return to SoCal again. He will be disciplined to study hard and then, to bo*nk hard.

Now, fast forward to present time and there's no shooting and our former antihero is now making his first trip to Pennsylvania to pick up his graduation diploma. Next, he's off to London for his one year LSE diploma and Julia is waiting for him at his flat at Leicester Sq.
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Cornfed wrote:
djfourmoney wrote:David what do you mean PUA's are harmless? They damage dating pools for Western men, because its only Western men engaged in this activity.

They say whatever they need to say in order to get those panties to drop and stop pretending that is not the goal for 99.9% of those who follow PUA principals.

Guys looking for honest, romantic relationships find this behavior appalling and know women hurt by these men take out their vengeance on the next man that enters their radar field.

They ask questions they wouldn't have ask before putting up additional hurdles for the new men that enter their lives. So you consider making others lives difficult because she was manipulated into giving sex to a guy that was only in her country for a few days to maybe a few weeks?
I was about to say this. Yes, exactly.
I agree with all of that. I said PUA's mostly operate in America and that it's harmless in America. That's because American women are sluts anyway. Like you said Cornfed, American women have given up their roles as fellow citizens and should no longer have protections. That's why I don't care if PUAs scam them. But in countries where prostitution is legal or in traditional societies, of course PUA is bad. There's less of a reason for PUA to even exist in those countries though. Someone trying to game women overseas is just a moron since he could pay for sex with less effort. I'm saying PUAs aren't a problem in modern America and that's where most of them operate.

Also, Falcon, I appreciate the post. Lee Kuan Yew's a giant. I'd love to hear more of your thoughts once you've developed them.
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Roosh just got raked over the coals.

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pandabear wrote:Roosh just got raked over the coals.

Roosh makes many valid points.
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pandabear wrote:Roosh just got raked over the coals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3w-5-b4mhM
Ha, she's so intellectually dishonest. But it's to be expected. About every conceivable red-herring is thrown in around 6 minutes.
Of course she is not even aware of it.
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
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droid wrote:
pandabear wrote:Roosh just got raked over the coals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3w-5-b4mhM
Ha, she's so intellectually dishonest. But it's to be expected. About every conceivable red-herring is thrown in around 6 minutes.
Of course she is not even aware of it.
I agree. Almost everything said was emotional rhetoric, half-truths, or not based on logic. A reasonable person could see that Elliot Rodger was also a victim. He didn't just wake up and decide to go on a rampage. He was driven to what he did because his experiences drove him to a form of madness. When people fail to recognize that he's a victim ignores a critical part of the problem that doesn't allow a real solution to actually tackle the issue.

Society has become more dangerous which is proven by Elliot Rodger and all the recent violent news stories. It's all because of a toxic society. It's dangerous to be anywhere because nowhere is really safe anymore in America. That is the end result when a civilization decays to the point of anarchy, disorder, and moral depravity. Bullying keeps increasing in consistency and severity in schools. Violence and sex riddles the Western pop-culture. Religion and morals are being purged from the West. Misandry and anti-men sentiment is everywhere in the West. Narcissistic reality television shows normalize bad and irresponsible behavior. Gender roles and social truths are being deconstructed in the West to make them seem like relative. All are symptoms of a toxic and insane society that will only grow progressively worse with more madmen and madwomen.

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I don't think it was all external but probably 50/50. He could've snapped for some other frustration, professional or otherwise.
Bullying keeps increasing in consistency and severity in schools
Even at my university here in FL (this was years ago), the professor put this blonde chick on the spot by asking people if they thought she was cute. The 100+ bastards started ganging up on her saying she was hideous, etc, etc. Even some b!tches in nursing-school uniforms were saying it, asking me "haven't you seen her? shes awful" (she wasn't). Heck you would think someone in "nursing" would care about others...
The level of douchebaggery is absurd.
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
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zacb wrote:
Cornfed wrote:It is events like this that vindicate the position of most posters here of recognizing there are serious problems with modern society, identifying the problems and trying to come up with solutions.
give this man a drink :)

on another note [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oybAUKZh ... BC252GHy3w[/youtube]
This guy makes some seemingly brilliant points in this in-depth analysis. I only watched the first few minutes then the last 10 or so minutes. I nothing else, watch the tail end.

First take-away I get from all this - don't have a child unless you are fully committed to doing all it will take and commit your life fully to the task for next two decades or so. If you bring a child into the world and do not strongly parent (imprint), it can likely lead to another suffering misguided life. There's nothing wrong with not having children if you are not up to it.
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Rock wrote:First take-away I get from all this - don't have a child unless you are fully committed to doing all it will take and commit your life fully to the task for next two decades or so. If you bring a child into the world and do not strongly parent (imprint), it can likely lead to another suffering misguided life. There's nothing wrong with not having children if you are not up to it.
I think that's becoming more and more of us, over time. Many of us come from semi-functional or dysfunctional nuclear families.

Without a healthy extended family in place, it's highly unlikely that a child will grow up sane because unlike back in my youth, there's no cyberspace/social network of ppl to compete against. Without that big happy family to go back to, online is all there is for a kid which is not reassuring.

In addition, homeschooling, which may have been a luxury in the 70s to 90s, is a near must today, as the Facebook harassment is only escalating over the years. I don't see how sending a kid to a normal K-12, being taunted by @ssholes on the net, in addition to the hallways, is suppose to help the kid socialize and do well in academics? Yet, most parents are completely oblivious to these issues and expect that their kids will fit in, over time.

Plus, homeschooling means being able to work from home, occasionally. Many ppl are in offices for more than 50 hours per week.
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Falcon wrote:For example, I've been realizing that people in many developing countries bond together so much because poor people NEED each other to survive and form mutual safety nets. In developing countries, they do not, since forming large, close-knit social networks can become a burden and liability rather than help.
This^

I have a good relationship with the Italian American community where I currently live, and sometimes I get into deep conversations with the older Italian Americans about how this country use to be 50+ years ago.

The older Italians lived completely different lives compared to the younger Italians today. Back in the day, and not just for Italians, but for everybody, it was all about family, and the community. People use to meet at each others homes and cook big dinners that were home cooked and fresh from their own garden. This doesn't happen anymore.

Somewhere along the way, as people got more money, this country got richer, and more roads and homes were built, people moved out of the city that was rich in culture and family into the into the vast dead suburbs and started the suburban way of life that now is the symbol of success.
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