No wonder why Elliot Rodger lost it - He was in narcissismvil

[SilverEnergy]

Not all sociopaths are successful with women.

[ntm1972]

Clearly not, as Elliot Rodger was unable to get his four inch saucer wet.

Come on, you can do better than that.

The evil that Rodger did had nothing to do with his penis size. There are a lot of four and five-inchers who get laid as often as the sevens and eights. We can be disgusted with Rodger's actions without resorting to shaming language that one would sooner expect to hear from a gaggle of catty women.

Equating manhood with penis size - as society generally does - is fallacious, harmful, and unworthy of anyone who lays claim to being both a rational and an ethical human being. And I write this as someone who, by any statistical measure, has nothing to worry about either in terms of length or girth, yet who long ago grew sick and tired of hoping to be viewed as a human dildo in order to get some action.

Making such statements, even in an offhanded manner, can detract from a proper morally-based condemnation of this evildoer.

[Cornfed]

Anyone who calls Elliot Rodger a sociopath has not idea what they are talking about. American women love sociopaths. Any man who is a sociopath in America will be swamped by women. And anyone who calls Elliot Rodger a sociopath is just a typical member of modern culture, hurling insults without having any idea what they are even saying.

Oh but he was! It speaks from his every line in that Manifesto of his.

In what way exactly? It seemed to me that he wanted to live in a decent, non-psychopathic society. Obviously a preference for killing sluts and dirtbags is not psychopathic. If he were a psychopath you would expect females to be all over him because modern society rewards psychopaths.

[Guyver]

The funny thing is, there is more class and realness in the people from this video than I see in the people from either the American party video or Italian party videos:

http://youtu.be/6fVE8kSM43I

[S_Parc]

The following quotes are taken from http://depressiond.com/sociopath-sociop ... sorder/#15, under the heading "The Alienated Sociopath".

This entire essay is an aegis to cover any set of transgressions.

I grew up in a household with a whacked dad. And the thing which I'd noticed was that his worldview of what's right (himself and the British [plus American] Empire) vs what's wrong (everyone else, esp communists & gays) was the semi-imaginary world he'd live in.

And thus, he was not amendable to anything other than that grand vision. Now granted, he'd lost his marbles later in life, after having gotten married and a career, but if he didn't have the aforementioned attributes of a so-called successful man from society's pov, I could see him going out with a bang, believing that he's saving his country from the fabled 'Red' Menace.

[ntm1972]

The following quotes are taken from http://depressiond.com/sociopath-sociop ... sorder/#15, under the heading "The Alienated Sociopath".

This entire essay is an aegis to cover any set of transgressions.

I grew up in a household with a whacked dad. And the thing which I'd noticed was that his worldview of what's right (himself and the British [plus American] Empire) vs what's wrong (everyone else, esp communists & gays) was the semi-imaginary world he'd live in.

And thus, he was not amendable to anything other than that grand vision. Now granted, he'd lost his marbles later in life, after having gotten married and a career, but if he didn't have the aforementioned attributes of a so-called successful man from society's pov, I could see him going out with a bang, believing that he's saving his country from the fabled 'Red' Menace.

Sociopaths are products of both nurture and nature. To offer just one example, Ted Bundy was already playing with knives at his aunt's expense at the tender age of three. Analyses such as those given in the depressiond.com link are attempts to explain bad behaviors after the fact, without necessarily absolving the perpetrators of responsibility.

In the end, each of us remains personally accountable for his actions. Just because the sociopath wants to blame everyone else but himself, doesn't mean he gets a free pass. It was incumbent upon Rodger to deal with his pain in an ethically acceptable manner. That he did not have a viable external support structure makes him no less culpable for his crimes.

You've often recounted your escape from your familial hell; I had my own version of perdition with which to deal. I grew up in a christian fundamentalist environment, and also went to a four-year christian college. I didn't lose my virginity until I was 23; when I tried at various times to deal with my sexual frustrations by masturbating, I was beaten by my mother and nearly expelled from said college. I had every excuse to 'snap', but I didn't, just as you didn't. What separates you and me from the Rodgers of the world? Conscience, vigilance, perspective, life experiences? Probably a combination of these and other factors.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Well, it seems like the entire world is doucheville.

[S_Parc]

I had every excuse to 'snap', but I didn't, just as you didn't. What separates you and me from the Rodgers of the world? Conscience, vigilance, perspective, life experiences? Probably a combination of these and other factors.

I wrote about it in Tsar's infamous loneliness thread. It's about the various stages of becoming a man, the gateways at ages 13, 17, 24, & 29+.

viewtopic.php?t=23351&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45

At 13, childhood comes to an end. The world of phantasmagorical things, like believing that the Star Wars universe is actually happening outside of cinema or perhaps, a prophecy of some distant future/parallel universe, starts to unwind. What's real is real and what's in the mind's eye is imagination (or prophetic if one's third eye is open, but that's another story for another day). What was clear to me was that I needed to start to deal with situations and not run into some dream-like vision-quest state that they weren't happening.

17 is the start of one's early adulthood. I'd left home that year, never to return. Clearly, I had to carve my own path and couldn't stand my father or sister. I also vehemently broke out of being shy and started talking to just about everyone out there.

Then, 24 is the first reflection pool period of that early adulthood. I'd made a career change/shift that year and in terms of my inner/outer relationships with others, I'd gone cold turkey on American women and started going abroad to date FWs. It was a dramatic shift from prior times.

And then, that 29+ era is classically known as the Saturn Return, if you read that astrology gobbledygook. But what it signifies is whether or not one's on the right path and whether or not one needs serious modification. That's somewhat when I'd realized that I didn't fit into the whole Catholic large family thing of Rio; my illusions about that were beginning to unwind. I was generally an outgoing introvert (which isn't a contradiction) and started to learn things like Qigong, Meditation, and so forth, looking for happiness from within w/o outside validation. This is where Public and I have departed ways.

Today, I can be completely alone and happy or with a group of people and feel the same way, provided that they're not a bunch of a-holes. And likewise, with Mel, I now have a new family with whom I can get to know and form relationships.

So basically, Rodgers got stuck at the 1st gateway (think about it, 'Titanic', a chick fantasy flick, was his favorite movie. For most guys, it would be 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' or 'Terminator') and thus, he never made it to the 2nd gateway.

Afterwards, slipping deeper into fantasy and concocting this dream-like realm of external persecution, he'd given up on life and went out with a bang. So I think it's how we process those gates is how we determine, whether or not we make it.

[ntm1972]

I had every excuse to 'snap', but I didn't, just as you didn't. What separates you and me from the Rodgers of the world? Conscience, vigilance, perspective, life experiences? Probably a combination of these and other factors.

I wrote about it in Tsar's infamous loneliness thread. It's about the various stages of becoming a man, the gateways at ages 13, 17, 24, & 29+.

viewtopic.php?t=23351&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45

At 13, childhood comes to an end. The world of phantasmagorical things, like believing that the Star Wars universe is actually happening outside of cinema or perhaps, a prophecy of some distant future/parallel universe, starts to unwind. What's real is real and what's in the mind's eye is imagination (or prophetic if one's third eye is open, but that's another story for another day). What was clear to me was that I needed to start to deal with situations and not run into some dream-like vision-quest state that they weren't happening.

17 is the start of one's early adulthood. I'd left home that year, never to return. Clearly, I had to carve my own path and couldn't stand my father or sister. I also vehemently broke out of being shy and started talking to just about everyone out there.

Then, 24 is the first reflection pool period of that early adulthood. I'd made a career change/shift that year and in terms of my inner/outer relationships with others, I'd gone cold turkey on American women and started going abroad to date FWs. It was a dramatic shift from prior times.

And then, that 29+ era is classically known as the Saturn Return, if you read that astrology gobbledygook. But what it signifies is whether or not one's on the right path and whether or not one needs serious modification. That's somewhat when I'd realized that I didn't fit into the whole Catholic large family thing of Rio; my illusions about that were beginning to unwind. I was generally an outgoing introvert (which isn't a contradiction) and started to learn things like Qigong, Meditation, and so forth, looking for happiness from within w/o outside validation. This is where Public and I have departed ways.

Today, I can be completely alone and happy or with a group of people and feel the same way, provided that they're not a bunch of a-holes. And likewise, with Mel, I now have a new family with whom I can get to know and form relationships.

So basically, Rodgers got stuck at the 1st gateway (think about it, 'Titanic', a chick fantasy flick, was his favorite movie. For most guys, it would be 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' or 'Terminator') and thus, he never made it to the 2nd gateway.

Afterwards, slipping deeper into fantasy and concocting this dream-like realm of external persecution, he'd given up on life and went out with a bang. So I think it's how we process those gates is how we determine, whether or not we make it.

Yes, I'd already read your 'gateway' entry, and identified with it, particularly the parts relating to the second and final gateways. It's worth noting that successful passage through the final gateway can take much longer than the others, yet also result in the most profound benefits.

I'm reminded of Blake's "doors of perception", an idea explored by Huxley in a book entitled such. Rodger's doors of perception were terribly filthy. Had he had in his possession, much less made use of the tools (factors) to which I referred in order to cleanse his doors, no lives would have been lost, and he would be on his way to being a success story in the only arena that counts, life itself.

[S_Parc]

Elliot Rodger wanted sex. He wanted companionship. He wanted a hot girl. She had to blonde and have near model looks. It was for him, mainly, a status thing.

He failed. He failed because he did nothing. And he blamed the world.

He didn't have me, as a multimillionaire uncle. Give me the lump sum of money, a time machine, and I'll get back to 2009, and fix this kid at the age of 17.

[ntm1972]

Elliot Rodger wanted sex. He wanted companionship. He wanted a hot girl. She had to blonde and have near model looks. It was for him, mainly, a status thing.

He failed. He failed because he did nothing. And he blamed the world.

He didn't have me, as a multimillionaire uncle. Give me the lump sum of money, a time machine, and I'll get back to 2009, and fix this kid at the age of 17.

Not good enough.

This kid's personality was set in stone by the age of 17. College just reinforced the worldview he'd cultivated, with a lot of that development occurring in junior high and high school. You, or any other would-be savior, would have had to intervene much earlier in his life, and would have had to mentor him for a protracted period of time.

Bathing in p***y juice wouldn't have been enough, just as it's not enough for any man. This guy had far deeper problems.

[S_Parc]

He didn't have me, as a multimillionaire uncle. Give me the lump sum of money, a time machine, and I'll get back to 2009, and fix this kid at the age of 17.

Not good enough.

This kid's personality was set in stone by the age of 17. College just reinforced the worldview he'd cultivated, with a lot of that development occurring in junior high and high school. You, or any other would-be savior, would have had to intervene much earlier in his life, and would have had to mentor him for a protracted period of time.

I'm looking at it, as a Holden Caulfield persona of 'Catcher In The Rye', a boy caught between that 13 to 17 gateway, unable to resolve his inner idealism with the not so accommodating world around him.

Bathing in p***y juice wouldn't have been enough, just as it's not enough for any man. This guy had far deeper problems.

Not sure, because if Mel wasn't a near soulmate, I'd be perfectly fine simply doing h@es and could probably manage quite well w/o a GF.

As for Rodgers, my program for him would be a lot different than simply tossing women at him, like practicing free throws on a basketball court.

I'd remove him from the campus life, as he's clearly a misfit there. He'd be doing the Penn State online bachelors, and I'd have a few places to rotate during the year like Costa Rica, Thailand, etc. At most, the only time he'd show up in the US, would probably be to pick up his graduation diploma in Pennsylvania when it's all over.

I'd make sure that he learned to either play guitar or keyboards, do his homeworks on a scheduled manner, b*ink to his (or my) favorite songs, and develop an exercise program.

In a few years of a structured program, like described above, he'd start to mellow and may actually realize that all he really needs is money and so he'd probably end up becoming another 'Wolf of Wall St', and so while he may be just another rip off artist in the end, at least he won't kill anyone.

[Cornfed]

He failed. He failed because he did nothing. And he blamed the world.

Did nothing? He was a literate, articulate guy in good shape, presumably getting OK grades etc. How is that doing nothing?

[ntm1972]

He didn't have me, as a multimillionaire uncle. Give me the lump sum of money, a time machine, and I'll get back to 2009, and fix this kid at the age of 17.

Not good enough.

This kid's personality was set in stone by the age of 17. College just reinforced the worldview he'd cultivated, with a lot of that development occurring in junior high and high school. You, or any other would-be savior, would have had to intervene much earlier in his life, and would have had to mentor him for a protracted period of time.

I'm looking at it, as a Holden Caulfield persona of 'Catcher In The Rye', a boy caught between that 13 to 17 gateway, unable to resolve his inner idealism with the not so accommodating world around him.

Bathing in p***y juice wouldn't have been enough, just as it's not enough for any man. This guy had far deeper problems.

Not sure, because if Mel wasn't a near soulmate, I'd be perfectly fine simply doing h@es and could probably manage quite well w/o a GF.

As for Rodgers, my program for him would be a lot different than simply tossing women at him, like practicing free throws on a basketball court.

I'd remove him from the campus life, as he's clearly a misfit there. He'd be doing the Penn State online bachelors, and I'd have a few places to rotate during the year like Costa Rica, Thailand, etc. At most, the only time he'd show up in the US, would probably be to pick up his graduation diploma in Pennsylvania when it's all over.

I'd make sure that he learned to either play guitar or keyboards, do his homeworks on a scheduled manner, b*ink to his (or my) favorite songs, and develop an exercise program.

In a few years of a structured program, like described above, he'd start to mellow and may actually realize that all he really needs is money and so he'd probably end up becoming another 'Wolf of Wall St', and so while he may be just another rip off artist in the end, at least he won't kill anyone.

Fair enough. In high school, I performed in piano recitals and started on the basketball team; in college, I was in a few theater productions, and played on a softball team. Point is, I got out there - as I'm sure you did - and didn't let my lack of a sex life become a ruinous obsession.

Not sure, because if Mel wasn't a near soulmate, I'd be perfectly fine simply doing h@es and could probably manage quite well w/o a GF.

I hear you. Between slammin' hos and swinging, I do just fine in my GF-free stretches, which get longer (my choice) as I grow older.

In a few years of a structured program, like described above, he'd start to mellow and may actually realize that all he really needs is money and so he'd probably end up becoming another 'Wolf of Wall St', and so while he may be just another rip off artist in the end, at least he won't kill anyone.

At least not right away. Some white-collar types are quite proficient at killing their targets slowly, depending on their chosen field of endeavor.

[S_Parc]

In a few years of a structured program, like described above, he'd start to mellow and may actually realize that all he really needs is money and so he'd probably end up becoming another 'Wolf of Wall St', and so while he may be just another rip off artist in the end, at least he won't kill anyone.

At least not right away. Some white-collar types are quite proficient at killing their targets slowly, depending on their chosen field of endeavor.

The thing is that he'll probably be another sleazy salesman type, as his morals were probably screwed up, before the age of 13. And thus, he'll know how to weasel ppl into buying penny stocks but at the same time, he won't necessarily need to go into a life of killing others, out of a sense of depravity, as he did at UCSB. He'll make money and do coke and h@es, nothing too out of the ordinary for a broker