A Scientific Reason to Get with Virgins
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A Scientific Reason to Get with Virgins
The supposed 'myths' of societies of the past regarding virginity seem to be correct, although of course mainstream science is taking a cautious approach to prevent rocking the current Western cultural social norm interest groups from creating a backlash against the study.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... ldren.html
Could previous lovers influence appearance of future children?
By Sarah Knapton, Science Correspondent1:00PM BST 01 Oct 2014
The idea that the physical traits of previous sexual partners could be passed on to future children was hypothesised by Aristotle and formed part of the reason that kings were banned from marrying divorcees.
But the birth of genetics dismissed ‘telegony’ as a superstition which had no basis in science.
Now, however, an intriguing new study suggests children may resemble a mother’s previous sexual partner after all.
Scientists at the University of New South Wales discovered that, for fruit flies at least, the size of the young was determined by the size of the first male the mother mated with, rather than the second male that sired the offspring.
It is the first time that telegony has been proved in the animal kingdom.
The researchers propose that the effect is due to molecules in the semen of the first mate being absorbed by the female's immature eggs where they influence future offspring.
“Just as we think we have things figured out, nature throws us a curve ball and shows us how much we still have to learn," says lead author Dr Angela Crean.
"We know that features that run in families are not just influenced by the genes that are passed down from parents to their children.
“Various non-genetic inheritance mechanisms make it possible for environmental factors to influence characteristics of a child.
"Our new findings take this to a whole new level – showing a male can also transmit some of his acquired features to offspring sired by other males," she says.
"But we don't know yet whether this applies to other species."
Telegony was first hypothesised by Aristotle and was a widely held belief in the Middle Ages and up until the 19th century.
In Greek mythology many heroes, such as Theseus, were born through two fathers, one human and one divine.
It was partly why there was much resistance to the 14th century marriage of Edward, the Black Prince, heir to the throne of Edward III and Joan, who had been previously married as it was feared their children would not be completely Plantagenet. But the theory was discredited by the advent of genetics.
To study whether telegony was possible, the team produced large and small male flies by feeding them diets as larvae that were high or low in nutrients. They then mated the immature females with either a large or a small male.
Once the females had matured, they were mated again with either a big or a small male, and their offspring were studied.
Those who had originally mated with a larger male continued to produce larger offspring even when mated with a small male.
However experts said it was too early to say whether the same effect could occur in humans.
“I think it’s impossible to say whether this could apply to humans without further studies in a more related species like a mouse,� said Associate Professor John Parrington, Lecturer in Cellular & Molecular Pharmacology at Oxford University.
“Certainly until recently it would have been thought impossible because the DNA genome of the sperm was thought to be the only thing passed down to future generations by the male.
“However, there is now evidence that so-called ‘epigenetic’ changes, can be passed down at least one or two generations, and such changes can be influenced by diet and other lifestyle differences.
“With such findings, things that were thought impossible previously might indeed turn out to be not so far-fetched after all, but in the case of telegony, there would need to be studies in a more similar animal to ourselves like a mouse, before we could start speculating about whether there is any potential relevance for humans.�
Dr Stuart Wigby of the Department of Zoology at Oxford University added: "The principle of telegony is theoretically possible for pretty much any internally fertilising animal, but these hasn't historically been much evidence for it.
"I'm aware of Crean et al's work, and it seems to be a neat demonstration of the phenomenon in insects. The mechanism they propose – molecules in the seminal fluid of the first mate being absorbed by the female's immature eggs – is indeed a possibility, and it would be revealing to test this.
This particular mechanism would be unlikely to apply to mammals such as humans because of differences in reproductive physiology compared to insects. However, other researchers have suggest that mechanisms exist that could in principle result in telgony in humans; for example because mothers carry fetal DNA in their blood during pregnancy."
PHD student Jolle Jolles of Cambridge University's Zoology Department said: "I would expect telogony to be possible to a certain extent via behavioural effects, i.e. women who were previously in a relationship with a wealthier man might have a better body condition and therefore might be able to invest more in their offspring."
The study is published in the journal Ecology Letters.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... ldren.html
Could previous lovers influence appearance of future children?
By Sarah Knapton, Science Correspondent1:00PM BST 01 Oct 2014
The idea that the physical traits of previous sexual partners could be passed on to future children was hypothesised by Aristotle and formed part of the reason that kings were banned from marrying divorcees.
But the birth of genetics dismissed ‘telegony’ as a superstition which had no basis in science.
Now, however, an intriguing new study suggests children may resemble a mother’s previous sexual partner after all.
Scientists at the University of New South Wales discovered that, for fruit flies at least, the size of the young was determined by the size of the first male the mother mated with, rather than the second male that sired the offspring.
It is the first time that telegony has been proved in the animal kingdom.
The researchers propose that the effect is due to molecules in the semen of the first mate being absorbed by the female's immature eggs where they influence future offspring.
“Just as we think we have things figured out, nature throws us a curve ball and shows us how much we still have to learn," says lead author Dr Angela Crean.
"We know that features that run in families are not just influenced by the genes that are passed down from parents to their children.
“Various non-genetic inheritance mechanisms make it possible for environmental factors to influence characteristics of a child.
"Our new findings take this to a whole new level – showing a male can also transmit some of his acquired features to offspring sired by other males," she says.
"But we don't know yet whether this applies to other species."
Telegony was first hypothesised by Aristotle and was a widely held belief in the Middle Ages and up until the 19th century.
In Greek mythology many heroes, such as Theseus, were born through two fathers, one human and one divine.
It was partly why there was much resistance to the 14th century marriage of Edward, the Black Prince, heir to the throne of Edward III and Joan, who had been previously married as it was feared their children would not be completely Plantagenet. But the theory was discredited by the advent of genetics.
To study whether telegony was possible, the team produced large and small male flies by feeding them diets as larvae that were high or low in nutrients. They then mated the immature females with either a large or a small male.
Once the females had matured, they were mated again with either a big or a small male, and their offspring were studied.
Those who had originally mated with a larger male continued to produce larger offspring even when mated with a small male.
However experts said it was too early to say whether the same effect could occur in humans.
“I think it’s impossible to say whether this could apply to humans without further studies in a more related species like a mouse,� said Associate Professor John Parrington, Lecturer in Cellular & Molecular Pharmacology at Oxford University.
“Certainly until recently it would have been thought impossible because the DNA genome of the sperm was thought to be the only thing passed down to future generations by the male.
“However, there is now evidence that so-called ‘epigenetic’ changes, can be passed down at least one or two generations, and such changes can be influenced by diet and other lifestyle differences.
“With such findings, things that were thought impossible previously might indeed turn out to be not so far-fetched after all, but in the case of telegony, there would need to be studies in a more similar animal to ourselves like a mouse, before we could start speculating about whether there is any potential relevance for humans.�
Dr Stuart Wigby of the Department of Zoology at Oxford University added: "The principle of telegony is theoretically possible for pretty much any internally fertilising animal, but these hasn't historically been much evidence for it.
"I'm aware of Crean et al's work, and it seems to be a neat demonstration of the phenomenon in insects. The mechanism they propose – molecules in the seminal fluid of the first mate being absorbed by the female's immature eggs – is indeed a possibility, and it would be revealing to test this.
This particular mechanism would be unlikely to apply to mammals such as humans because of differences in reproductive physiology compared to insects. However, other researchers have suggest that mechanisms exist that could in principle result in telgony in humans; for example because mothers carry fetal DNA in their blood during pregnancy."
PHD student Jolle Jolles of Cambridge University's Zoology Department said: "I would expect telogony to be possible to a certain extent via behavioural effects, i.e. women who were previously in a relationship with a wealthier man might have a better body condition and therefore might be able to invest more in their offspring."
The study is published in the journal Ecology Letters.
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This is a theory but it's interesting. All AW should read it. lol. It should be published in a women's magazine. lol
What's funny is my delusional Asian AW friend thinks that since men and women are equal, that women ought to be able to sleep around and have multiple relationships the same way that men should. She is so delusional.
But then again, America is KING when it comes to self-delusion, bullshit, lies and fakery. Its culture after all is highly insane, mentally ill and Satanic. At least in the Middle East, there are moral and family values, even if they are oppressive to women.
What's funny is my delusional Asian AW friend thinks that since men and women are equal, that women ought to be able to sleep around and have multiple relationships the same way that men should. She is so delusional.
But then again, America is KING when it comes to self-delusion, bullshit, lies and fakery. Its culture after all is highly insane, mentally ill and Satanic. At least in the Middle East, there are moral and family values, even if they are oppressive to women.
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A woman who tells you this is more or less projecting that she's experienced multiple strange cocks into her vagina. It's your solemn duty to use game to get in with her as well. She's justifying her new age lifestyle by normalizing it to you.Winston wrote:
What's funny is my delusional Asian AW friend thinks that since men and women are equal, that women ought to be able to sleep around and have multiple relationships the same way that men should. She is so delusional.
Of course you don't believe in game or anything else so I guess you get to watch as she rationalizes her promiscuity to you as you sit entranced fist on chin with elbow bent listening to her pontificate. Maybe she'll cuckold you sometime and let you watch her get f***ed by some young stud.
-NEWSFLASH- You are being delusional. Women are LIARS. If a girl says she is a virgin there is about a 110% chance she is lying to you. She says she is a virgin meaning she has banged at least 3 guys on average.
Please understand the 3 times rule:
Rule of Three- When asking someone about the number of sexual partners they've had MULTIPLY a woman's answer by 3, 'cause ladies are sluts.
Please understand the 3 times rule:
Rule of Three- When asking someone about the number of sexual partners they've had MULTIPLY a woman's answer by 3, 'cause ladies are sluts.
Wait a minute here. If you are going around sleeping with non-virgins, you could theoretically be passing on traits to the beta chumps who end up with these women you had sex with.Winston wrote: What's funny is my delusional Asian AW friend thinks that since men and women are equal, that women ought to be able to sleep around and have multiple relationships the same way that men should. She is so delusional.
That's also an ethical problem, like defiling virgins.
+1Ghost wrote: No virginity, no marriage. I wouldn't even enter a serious relationship with a non-virgin these days. I've done that before. Never again.
If more guys in Western countries used this logic, women would be forced to conform.
Men chase, women choose
As long as you have gold in your hand, you will ALWAYS have bread on your table.
As long as you have gold in your hand, you will ALWAYS have bread on your table.
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