The Philippines: Not What It's Cracked Up to Be

[newlifeinphilippines]

Women are indeed similar everywhere, but there are difference classes of women. There are sexually liberated American women and sexually liberated women in other countries. The problem in the United States is that these women tend to congregate in the big cities and have good careers and don't need a man for money and can be very selective. Back in San Francisco, I had an easy time because I in a hotbed of such women and I had a lot more money then and I was much younger. Of course, these sexually liberated career women have issues, which is why I never stuck for more than a few years with any of them. Now I'm in nowheresville and the class of women I seem to be encountering is just useless sexually or else a complete PITA like that single mother I had last year.

What happens when you go to a place like the Philipines or other poor countries, is that you are rich by local standards and so have access to a different class of women you wouldn't have access to the United States. But they are still women, and even the sexually liberated career women are low libido by male standards and otherwise something of a PITA to deal with.

Someone married and with children like MarcosZeitola additionally has the huge stick of threatening to abandon his wife if she shuts off the sex supply. So she'll put out for sure. But I wouldn't be surprised if she starts faking after a while. If he doesn't care about faking or he can't detect faking, then it doesn't matter. A lot of men don't care. For whatever reason, I can't enjoy sex unless the woman also enjoys it, so faking ruins things for me. I'd rather masturbate.

yes my bargirl never initiated but she was one hell of a faker cause she would go through the whole porn style acting and faking cumming 5 times a day. Either it was real or she faked it most of the time. I even screwd her sometimes 6 to 9 times or one time more than once in a row she would claim to orgasm and she still would do it so thats when i started doubting it. She was just a great actress. What always got me though is i was the one always initiating and if i cut off sex she wouldn't usually initiate it, or it was mutual initiatinon. Id like to find a girl who truly loves sex. Honestly ill probably have to settle on that issue cause my other requirements are already strict enough but if she is super hot and someone i can trust and we connect well ill forgive her on that. I had an issue with milf girl cause she was just so damn boring and although pretty i just couldn't get into the sex, a pretty girl like that i couldn't stand. my filipina gf had low libido etc but shed give into sex and shed try her best to please me sometimes without attitude so she was a bit better. Plus i felt more sexual chemistry with her.

[lasttry]

For people who can masturbate, and you confess to being a compulsive masturbator since your teens, and for whom none of the first 6 motives applies, validation is the primary reason for wanting sex, and that seems to be the case for you.

Yes, validation and also to experience physical and emotional sensations of intimacy that I crave.

You're unlikely to get the emotional intimacy you desire with a young girl in a foreign country, for whom English is a second language, and who is so desperate for male companionship that she takes the initiative with a much older foreign man who is only going to be around for a few weeks. This is really asking too much. Nor do I see that you'll get any validation from such a girl, in the sense of silencing those voices in your head that won't let you be at peace. Maybe you'll get some physical intimacy. But you could get that here from P4P. Just find a better hooker than what you've used so far.

I continue to think going for older women here in the United States via partner dancing is the right road for you. As I noted previously, the ONLY thing older women lack compared to younger women is p***y smell. Young women have it, older women lack it. If you didn't have sex early on in life, then your brain might not be hard programmed for young women p***y smell. That is, it is quite possible your aversion to older women is just because society disapproves of it. That sort of programming can be overcome. If you don't believe older women are more or less the same as younger women other than for smell, take a look at your own inner thigh versus those of a man in his 20's, or any part of your body that hasn't been exposed to sunlight. Is there any difference? What does differ between you and younger man is the sex smells given off by your testicles--young men have it, older men lack it or have it in a much reduced quantity.

If you really can't work with older women and won't do the partner dancing, then the situation is hopeless, IMO. But you can still continue hoping and use that hope to motivate you to travel, which is enjoyable for its own sake, and not just to get sex. The difference between sex and masturbation is really very small. If someone told me I could never have sex again, only masturbation, it would be only a small letdown. In fact, I have an attractive (though older) American woman who is right now pursuing me for sex and I'm turning her down because I'd rather masturbate given what a PITA she is outside bed. That should tell you how little value women really bring to the table, sexually speaking, for a man who is uninhibited, highly skilled and unashamed about masturbation.

[newlifeinphilippines]

well id turn down sex too if its an older woman lasttry like you go after. Now a hot woman thats what we really want and there is a huge difference between the two. One is worth the aggravation and risk the other isn't and you just want to stay in your room or walk away. Thats why i wont get married unless the girl is hot. Why settle for less i have no reason to settle for less I dont need a woman for children like some guys do. I might as well be single.

[globe-trotter]

I think happier abroad is a fairy tale like PUA. The guys who get high quality women will get it anyways without much work and the guys who struggle will always struggle.


women are the same everywhere. I dont care what anyone says. They all are uppity, money grabbing, low libido.

If you're a chump in america, youll be a chump anywhere, the only difference is your wallet will be lighter after a trip abroad. And ive seen no evidence to the contrary. All the success stories are cause they are 100 times richer than their partner in the 3rd world and many had to go through a lot of crap to find such a girl.

The day i see women chasing after men in 3rd world is the day ill believe some women are different.

+1+1+1

[globe-trotter]

For people who can masturbate, and you confess to being a compulsive masturbator since your teens, and for whom none of the first 6 motives applies, validation is the primary reason for wanting sex, and that seems to be the case for you.

Yes, validation and also to experience physical and emotional sensations of intimacy that I crave.

You're unlikely to get the emotional intimacy you desire with a young girl in a foreign country, for whom English is a second language, and who is so desperate for male companionship that she takes the initiative with a much older foreign man who is only going to be around for a few weeks. This is really asking too much. Nor do I see that you'll get any validation from such a girl, in the sense of silencing those voices in your head that won't let you be at peace. Maybe you'll get some physical intimacy. But you could get that here from P4P. Just find a better hooker than what you've used so far.

I continue to think going for older women here in the United States via partner dancing is the right road for you. As I noted previously, the ONLY thing older women lack compared to younger women is p***y smell. Young women have it, older women lack it. If you didn't have sex early on in life, then your brain might not be hard programmed for young women p***y smell. That is, it is quite possible your aversion to older women is just because society disapproves of it. That sort of programming can be overcome. If you don't believe older women are more or less the same as younger women other than for smell, take a look at your own inner thigh versus those of a man in his 20's, or any part of your body that hasn't been exposed to sunlight. Is there any difference? What does differ between you and younger man is the sex smells given off by your testicles--young men have it, older men lack it or have it in a much reduced quantity.

If you really can't work with older women and won't do the partner dancing, then the situation is hopeless, IMO. But you can still continue hoping and use that hope to motivate you to travel, which is enjoyable for its own sake, and not just to get sex. The difference between sex and masturbation is really very small. If someone told me I could never have sex again, only masturbation, it would be only a small letdown. In fact, I have an attractive (though older) American woman who is right now pursuing me for sex and I'm turning her down because I'd rather masturbate given what a PITA she is outside bed. That should tell you how little value women really bring to the table, sexually speaking, for a man who is uninhibited, highly skilled and unashamed about masturbation.

I like masturbating, but I always wonder how great it must feel to enjoy full body contact with a woman. If (unlike me) one has no issues with this, it must feel heavenly. I want to know what it feels like to enjoy this, because, until now, it hasn't felt good for me.
On the other hand, it might be devastating to discover--this late in the game--that I actually liked sex all along. That would mean that I wasted the best years of my life-- years that I will never get back.

As far as dating older women, I'm just not into that.

[globe-trotter]

you can lead a horse to the water, but you cannot make him drink. It's time we let horsy be, and make his own mistakes. It's not my life, or yours, but his and his alone. The consequences of his actions are also fully his. Nothing we can do about it. Just wish he wouldn't have used such a misleading title...

This is a faulty analogy, I'm afraid.
A more accurate analogy would be: I was a horse that was led to water, with the promise that I would easily be able to drink it. What they didn't tell me, however, was that once I reach the water, I would have to climb over a very steep fence in order to drink. Nothing wrong with doing a little work in order to get your reward, but it can be a problem when my legs are crippled (I suffer from anxiety disorders and can't 'game' women). Had I known this from the start, I might have declined the offer to be 'led to water'.

Once again, bullshit. A better analogy:

You were a horse that was led to water, but refused to lower his f***ing head because he thought the water would magically float up and squirt into his mouth. It didn't, because that's not how the river works. The horse then returned home, thirsty, and told everybody it was a shitty river. He even wrote a book about how the river was shitty, but never mentioned his refusal to lower his head.

The horse is clearly an evolutionary failure and should get a Darwin Award for his stupidity.

To equate my inability to 'game' cranky, standoffish women with a horse refusing to merely lower his head to drink water is about as far fetched as it gets.

[globe-trotter]

Would most guys really go to the philippines if they knew they had to spend months and years digging through crap and daygame to find a good quality women? I think a lot would think twice or prolong it until they had the money and time that they had nothing else to lose at that time. Thats what im doing now that reality has hit me im in no hurry to go back to asia. I dont want to waste my precious dollars on a pipe dream.

Thank you for stating what should have been obvious to everyone here.

[globe-trotter]

Cutting off the sex supply seems to come naturally to most women.

That's because, with few exceptions, they're probably not naturally horny, which is something that I have suspected since I started growing pubic hair.

[newlifeinphilippines]

Would most guys really go to the philippines if they knew they had to spend months and years digging through crap and daygame to find a good quality women? I think a lot would think twice or prolong it until they had the money and time that they had nothing else to lose at that time. Thats what im doing now that reality has hit me im in no hurry to go back to asia. I dont want to waste my precious dollars on a pipe dream.

Thank you for stating what should have been obvious to everyone here.

thats why im staying in america right now and cautiously saving my money. Kind of bored and lonely but i know if i was to go bac to asia id lose my precious money and go back alone as a failure with a girl i dont like. I need to save my cash and mentaly and prepare for a day when im financially ready to settle down. When i can spend months and close the deal so to speak. Im not quite there yet. I dont think going to the 3rd world is ideal unless you are financially set cause those women aren't gonna help you out financially and your putting a big risk on yourself because they could divorce yo when you bring them back. Also you wont be around your family if you live overseas. Im debating if i ever even want to settle down cause i dont want to liver overseas, i dont want kids, i love to travel (id have to give that up if i married) and if i brought them to america its a huge hassle in paperwork and money and i risk a divorce if i bring them back. I see plenty of cons but not really many positives. If my parents were dead it would be easier to settle there someday but for now i have mixed feelings. Im enjoying the fact right now i can save my money and i have no drama. Im not in a hurry to rush back to asia only to have more failures and a lighter wallet LOL

[globe-trotter]

Would most guys really go to the philippines if they knew they had to spend months and years digging through crap and daygame to find a good quality women? I think a lot would think twice or prolong it until they had the money and time that they had nothing else to lose at that time. Thats what im doing now that reality has hit me im in no hurry to go back to asia. I dont want to waste my precious dollars on a pipe dream.

Thank you for stating what should have been obvious to everyone here.

thats why im staying in america right now and cautiously saving my money. Kind of bored and lonely but i know if i was to go bac to asia id lose my precious money and go back alone as a failure with a girl i dont like. I need to save my cash and mentaly and prepare for a day when im financially ready to settle down. When i can spend months and close the deal so to speak. Im not quite there yet. I dont think going to the 3rd world is ideal unless you are financially set cause those women aren't gonna help you out financially and your putting a big risk on yourself because they could divorce yo when you bring them back. Also you wont be around your family if you live overseas. Im debating if i ever even want to settle down cause i dont want to liver overseas, i dont want kids, i love to travel (id have to give that up if i married) and if i brought them to america its a huge hassle in paperwork and money and i risk a divorce if i bring them back. I see plenty of cons but not really many positives. If my parents were dead it would be easier to settle there someday but for now i have mixed feelings. Im enjoying the fact right now i can save my money and i have no drama. Im not in a hurry to rush back to asia only to have more failures and a lighter wallet LOL

Wow, your situation sounds eerily similar to mine.

I've had many of the same thoughts you have. I'm also bored and lonely. I'm aggressively saving my cash with the goal of retiring early. 50-52 y/o is the target. By then, I will have enough $$ to live off the interest from my investment portfolio.
I also love to travel, not just to get p***y, but for its own sake (I've been to 20 countries so far).
When I retire, I would also like to spend months at a time in foreign countries, with no time limit or job to return to. But, like you, I don't really want to live in the 3rd world, either, even if I am financially set.
I also have parents, and if they weren't in the picture, I might consider becoming a nomad. But I can't leave them alone. They're getting old, and I don't have the heart to place them in a nursing home when the time comes. I will do my duty as a son and make sure I'm around to take care of them.
I'm also childless. Never wanted children. Never cared for the responsibility. In fact, I knew I didn't want children (or be married) when I was a child myself--only 8 years old.

I don't know what my future holds at this point. My sex life has been a monumental disaster, riddled with countless issues. I wish I had been the proverbial man who had 'loved and lost', rather than not have loved at all. I really missed a big part of life by missing that boat.
My social life doesn't look that much better. Making friends at my age is even harder than meeting women, and it's going to get exponentially worse as I get older. The future looks almost grim. The only bright spot might be that I will have ample financial resources by the time I retire. But, as we all well know, money doesn't buy happiness.

[globe-trotter]

> For example, I flew to the Philis in Business Class, and returned in First Class. I enjoyed some of the best food on earth during my vacation in the Philippines and Japan-- tons of premium sushi, Champagne & spirits, fine pastries, you name it.

Alcohol causes facial puffiness. Basically when you're dehydrated, your body tries to hold on to water. That's what generally causes bags under the eyes, etc. So the easiest thing to try would be to drink lots of water, and cut down on salt. Doctors don't know much about this kind of holistic stuff. They know how to diagnose, give medications, perform surgery, etc.

Here's a random article I pulled up on the subject:

Don’t you just hate to see a bloated face in the mirror when you wake up every morning?

For sure, you are curious about what went wrong with your face. More than just a problem of looks, facial bloating may be a sign of a serious health condition. If something goes wrong in your body, your face will show it.

Reason #1: Poor Diet

If you don’t eat a balanced diet, you get fewer nutrients than a healthy body needs. Lack of essential nutrients in the body can result in a bloated face. In particular, it’s a sign of vitamin C and beta-carotene deficiency. On the other hand, excessive intake of fat, carbohydrates, and salt can cause face puffiness.

Reason #2: Dehydration

Dehydration is one of the most common causes of facial bloating, as the body tends to retain as much water as it can if it is dehydrated. The face is one of the areas where excess water is stored. Unfortunately, not many people realize the benefits of drinking adequate water everyday. Not drinking enough water? Well, you should start guzzling more water now to reduce bloating on your face.

Reason #3: Alcohol Intake

It doesn’t matter what kind of alcoholic drink you consume. Whether it’s beer, wine, or brandy, consuming anything that contains alcohol makes your face puffy. It is because alcohol makes you dehydrated, meaning you get thirstier after you booze up. Your body responds to dehydration by storing as much water as possible in different areas, and your face is no exception. If you had a few drinks, chances are you will wake up with a bloated face the next day. So it’s a no-brainer — cut back on your alcohol intake to lose face fat.

Reason #4: Hypothyroidism

One of the symptoms of hypothyroidism, or lack of thyroid hormones in the body, is a puffy face. Usually, this condition results in rapid weight gain, which is why the face becomes bloated. Aside from facial bloating, other symptoms of hypothyroidism include constipation, tiredness, and dry skin.

Reason #5: Face Fat

Face fat is often a problem for people who aren’t even overweight. They collect the fat normally in their cheek area or chin area. This can be fought by following certain dietary guidelines as well as a certified facial exercise program. Face exercises can be instrumental in helping you get rid of that face fat.

Apart from the five causes of facial bloating discussed above, other factors can also lead to puffiness on the face. These factors include kidney disorders, sinus infections, allergic responses to medications or insect bites, mumps, dental infection, inflammation of the parotid glands, nephritic syndrome, edema, and many others.

http://www.enformy.com/blog/top-5-cause ... oating.php

I particularly agree with this part: "If something goes wrong in your body, your face will show it."

I used to have acne, but I cured it with lifestyle changes based on internet research. Nowadays if I start to get acne, I know it means I've been drinking too much, and my liver is getting taxed and it is having a hard time neutralizing toxins.

I also agree with what others have said, that appearance shouldn't be the main issue, based on others' success in the Philippines. But I wouldn't want to go out with, e.g., bags under my eyes, like I get when I drink a lot.

I'm actually aware of many of the causes of bloating you mention here. Others I'm not (like Hypothyroidism). The problem is that there are so many things that can potentially bloat me, that I don't know where to start in terms of modifying my diet.
But even if I did know, would it be worth the effort? If, in return for permanently rearranging my diet, I would get laid a lot, I might consider it. But as things stand right now, with all my sexual issues, there is almost no incentive to do this. There aren't even significant health benefits to eliminating bloating. The benefits are purely cosmetic.

[publicduende]

Women are indeed similar everywhere, but there are difference classes of women. There are sexually liberated American women and sexually liberated women in other countries. The problem in the United States is that these women tend to congregate in the big cities and have good careers and don't need a man for money and can be very selective. Back in San Francisco, I had an easy time because I in a hotbed of such women and I had a lot more money then and I was much younger. Of course, these sexually liberated career women have issues, which is why I never stuck for more than a few years with any of them. Now I'm in nowheresville and the class of women I seem to be encountering is just useless sexually or else a complete PITA like that single mother I had last year.

Women want different things depending on 1) their age and 2) the age of the men they date. When you were young and dated women your age or a few years younger, you were obviously valued for how you looked like, your self-confidence and assertiveness, your levels of "social intelligence". You probably didn't care too much about those young women been the sexually liberated type.

Now you're grown up women probably see your differently, and look for something different. Yes your looks are still important, but much more is your general fitness, your professional and social achievements, and again qualities of self-confidence and balance (whereas a thuggish or happy go lucky behaviour would have been fancied more in your earlier years).

If you don't have your act together, not financially stable or at least able to project confidence and success, if you don't take care of yourself and show you want to go the extra mile, and you still intend to date girls in their late 20s or early 30s, of course you're going to find it hard. If you want class you need to give (or at least fake) class.

Also consider that it's precisely classy women who are the PITA you mention: they are on average more spoiled, more selective and those who tend to give a lot less than they're given.

No surprise half of this forum revolves around the dream of finding a simple and cute Filipina and get involved with her.

What happens when you go to a place like the Philipines or other poor countries, is that you are rich by local standards and so have access to a different class of women you wouldn't have access to the United States. But they are still women, and even the sexually liberated career women are low libido by male standards and otherwise something of a PITA to deal with.

This is one of the biggest myths about foreigners who go to the Philippines, Thailand etc. Middle class Filipinas usually avoid foreigners like the plague. They might interact with them in a formal context, ie. they're trying to sell them something, but for the most part they will be from indifferent to deliberately distant.

There's also the fact that most classy Filipinas will be sent to top-tier private universities and will date a boy from the same social background (or higher) during those years. Which means they will be probably engaged by 20 and married by 24. Unless one has serious interests in Filipino economy, eg. he's an expat or an entrepreneur with powerful social circles, I don't really see how the middle/upper class bubble can mix with the casual Western (sex) tourist.

This is to say, the opposite is true: if you go there, you will hardly be dating girls at your levels - you'll be left with girls of a lower background: the poor and needy, the single mothers, the occasional cougar maybe.

Someone married and with children like MarcosZeitola additionally has the huge stick of threatening to abandon his wife if she shuts off the sex supply. So she'll put out for sure. But I wouldn't be surprised if she starts faking after a while. If he doesn't care about faking or he can't detect faking, then it doesn't matter. A lot of men don't care. For whatever reason, I can't enjoy sex unless the woman also enjoys it, so faking ruins things for me. I'd rather masturbate.

Whether she fakes or he cheats, that's something exclusively between Marcos Z and his wife. It is ridiculously common in the Philippines (as it is in Latin America) for men to have one or two lovers on the side, and often women have affairs too. Just think of all the forcibly broken families of OFWs (Filipinos working abroad). Both parts have needs and will fulfil them picking again from the local stock. When in Davao I met the son of a petroleum engineer working in Dubai. His dad was very wealthy by Filipino standards and able to support both his family back in Davao, sending his 3 kids to Ateneo de Davao, and his new partner in Dubai. His wife put up with it because she understood his needs to sooth solitude and frustration, and because she knew he could still be a supportive dad to his family. I obviously didn't ask, but I wouldn't be surprised if she had an affair on the side too...so she couldn't complain too much.

I agree with you: I can't enjoy sex if there's an element of faking on either side. But that means that when that person who enjoys your presence, your intimacy and sex with you is found, you shouldn't be an idiot and let her go.

[Banano]

I found that its pretty easy to date independent,middle class Indonesian girl compared to Th and Ph?

I talked to about 5 girls willing to date me, they live alone, have cars,jobs etc....im not saying they are marriage material but thats besides the point.

When i was in th and ph getting something like that was almost imposible.

[lasttry]

I've had many of the same thoughts you have. I'm also bored and lonely. I'm aggressively saving my cash with the goal of retiring early. 50-52 y/o is the target. By then, I will have enough $$ to live off the interest from my investment portfolio.
I also love to travel, not just to get p***y, but for its own sake (I've been to 20 countries so far).
When I retire, I would also like to spend months at a time in foreign countries, with no time limit or job to return to. But, like you, I don't really want to live in the 3rd world, either, even if I am financially set.
I also have parents, and if they weren't in the picture, I might consider becoming a nomad. But I can't leave them alone. They're getting old, and I don't have the heart to place them in a nursing home when the time comes. I will do my duty as a son and make sure I'm around to take care of them.
I'm also childless. Never wanted children. Never cared for the responsibility. In fact, I knew I didn't want children (or be married) when I was a child myself--only 8 years old.

I don't know what my future holds at this point. My sex life has been a monumental disaster, riddled with countless issues. I wish I had been the proverbial man who had 'loved and lost', rather than not have loved at all. I really missed a big part of life by missing that boat.
My social life doesn't look that much better. Making friends at my age is even harder than meeting women, and it's going to get exponentially worse as I get older. The future looks almost grim. The only bright spot might be that I will have ample financial resources by the time I retire. But, as we all well know, money doesn't buy happiness.

I AM a nomad and have been for about 15 years now, though for it's own sake not for p***y. Travel is the only way I found to occupy my time since I early retired myself. I don't try to rack up notch counts of countries visited any more than I try to rack up notch counts of women I had sex with. When I find someplace, I keep going back and explore deeper and deeper, same thing I do with a good woman. Even a single state of the United States is huge if you go on foot. Imagine walking every single street and looking at every building and eating in every restaraunt of even a tiny state like Rhode Island.

I also never wanted children or marriage, and I also have great difficulty making friends. I consider internet friends a viable substitute for flesh-and-blood friends. Now I'm having problems meeting women because of where I live and because of my age and nomadism. I've thought about lying about my age on the internet dating sites, because all the women are screening for under age 50 and I'm over that age, but it's so easy to find out a person's real age nowadays with the internet and I simply can't deal with a woman confronting me with a lie like that. It's shameful. I am quite capable of lying for something I believe in--I could lie very well if I were a spy on a secret mission, for example--but lying about my age just to get sex with a stupid woman is just too degrading to contemplate. It is unmanly.

Money doesn't buy happiness but it can most definitely buy you escape from unhappiness. Happiness is easy to obtain. I've already advised you to take up partner dancing, but there was another piece of advice I would reiterate. And that is to practice sexual kung fu. At your age (45, I believe) and definitely above, it is essential avoid having peak orgasms (orgasms which bring the sex to an end) since these will leave you feeling depleted. This applies to both sex and mastubation, but especially the latter. Read Mantak Chia's books among others. Masturbation while practicing sexual kung fu is called solo path to enlightenment and can be just as fulfilling as dual path. You must awaken your inner woman and then have sex with her. If you do this properly, you will no longer feel so sexually deprived.

As for looking back, that is always a mistake unless there is something to be learned from the past. "Stop carrying the past like a block of stone on your back."

[Edit: if you really don't want children and plan on pursuing women under the age of 50 and especially women in their 20's, I suggest you get a vasectomy. Being sued for child-support would be real bummer.]

[lasttry]

This is one of the biggest myths about foreigners who go to the Philippines, Thailand etc. Middle class Filipinas usually avoid foreigners like the plague. They might interact with them in a formal context, ie. they're trying to sell them something, but for the most part they will be from indifferent to deliberately distant.

There's also the fact that most classy Filipinas will be sent to top-tier private universities and will date a boy from the same social background (or higher) during those years. Which means they will be probably engaged by 20 and married by 24. Unless one has serious interests in Filipino economy, eg. he's an expat or an entrepreneur with powerful social circles, I don't really see how the middle/upper class bubble can mix with the casual Western (sex) tourist.

This is to say, the opposite is true: if you go there, you will hardly be dating girls at your levels - you'll be left with girls of a lower background: the poor and needy, the single mothers, the occasional cougar maybe.

We're using "class" in different ways. I do NOT want uneducated women, but I don't want marriage-type women either. What I really want is a high-class concubine, a woman who actually enjoys sex, in her 40's. I don't want p4p because it is too cold. Nor do I want concubines who don't really enjoy sex but just pretend to. Nor do I want a concubine who is less educated, intelligent and worldly than me. Guys are this forum, for some reason, don't understand how good white women can look in their 40's. Not sure about other ethnicities because I haven't thought too much about them. I had a girlfriend in her early 40's once who looked just like Paris Hilton except with a meaner expression on her face (she had had a rough life). Spoke 5 languages fluently, worked in the financial industry, very intelligent, multi-orgasmic screaming nymphomaniac in bed. Problem is, lots of other men in America also want these women and hence they can command a very high price. She was always hinting that she wanted to be supported by a man because she was tired of working, but she didn't actually ask for an allowance from me back when we were dating. However, I did have to spend on a nice apartment for myself and nice restaurants, and that doesn't come cheap San Francisco or other big cities where women like this tend to live. Also, she might have been less quick to quarrel with me if I had been doling out money--don't bite hand that feeds you. Later, I had a few other slightly downmarket versions of this woman. Again, I didn't have to pay, but now that I'm in my 50's, I WILL probably have to pay for this sort of woman.

My thinking is that women like this also exist in foreign countries but the difference is that my money goes a lot farther there than here. Right now, I spend maybe $2000/month on myself, including all my traveling, and can spare another $2K for a woman. Even here in nowheresville where my home base is, that is not a huge amount of money. It falls into the lower tiers on the seekingarrangements site, for example. In NYC or SFO, I'd have to spend the whole $4K on myself to have a nice apartment and afford restaurants. Whereas I'm thinking $2000/month might be attractive to the sort of woman I'm targeting in Ukraine. I don't think I'll be excluded from access to such women because I'm a foreigner, though that remains to be seen.