Property Rights In The U.S. To Be Usurped

[eurobrat]

So where do you go to get away from he parasitic state ?

Mexico has very low property tax.

I think Guatemela does too.

Lebanon used to, plus occasional amnesties, plus no enforcement until sale of the property.

Generally Latin America is pretty good on this. Don't know where else. Interesting topic for those who want to settle, raise a family, and own land.

Africa you can buy plots of land for cheap and build a house.

You mean like in Zimbabwe...

Yep, all of Africa. I work with a lot of Africans at my job and they give me their address for shipping quotes and it's always "Plot 123 on XYZ street".

Looking it up on google there's tons of just pure land you can purchase. Even though Africa has a billion people, it's not crowded at all.

[Cornfed]

You mean like in Zimbabwe...

Yep, all of Africa. I work with a lot of Africans at my job and they give me their address for shipping quotes and it's always "Plot 123 on XYZ street".

Looking it up on google there's tons of just pure land you can purchase. Even though Africa has a billion people, it's not crowded at all.

Ye-es, but wouldn't the bothersome aftermath of being horribly killed by simians at some point make it something of a sucker purchase?

[Teal Lantern]

Property rights vs safety (police, fire) is a whole other question.
To have safety, you need people to do the hard work of maintaining it. Most will want to be paid in something other than atta-boy.
That cost will be passed along to the populace in fees & taxes, abuse, or both.
To collect that tax, you need a means of coercing the payment of it or punishing the non-payment of it.
Some places do this by taking and reselling property, when the tax isn't paid. Others do it by withholding services ...
2010: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39516346/ns/u ... -home-burn
2011: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/12 ... -fee-again
Most people will cough up the money.

When were property taxes started here in the US ?

During colonial times, with each colony having its own system.

[Rock]

So where do you go to get away from he parasitic state ?

Mexico has very low property tax.

I think Guatemela does too.

Lebanon used to, plus occasional amnesties, plus no enforcement until sale of the property.

Generally Latin America is pretty good on this. Don't know where else. Interesting topic for those who want to settle, raise a family, and own land.

Africa you can buy plots of land for cheap and build a house.

You mean like in Zimbabwe...

Yep, all of Africa. I work with a lot of Africans at my job and they give me their address for shipping quotes and it's always "Plot 123 on XYZ street".

Looking it up on google there's tons of just pure land you can purchase. Even though Africa has a billion people, it's not crowded at all.

You do realize that virtually all farmland owned by whites (expats and locals) in Zimbabwe was confiscated by government and expropriated to certain black locals between late 90s and 2013?

Another example of just the financial danger - property of Asians (mostly Indians) in Uganda was confiscated under Idi Amin (70s I think) and those in country were ordered to leave. I would think majority of Africa is a very high risk as a place to invest, one way or the other.

Perhaps South Africa has some lower risk opportunities given that it's the most industrialized sub-saharan African economy?

[Teal Lantern]

The land redistribution in Zimbabwe was to cronies of the gov't.
Many of those farms went fallow for some years, even throwing the workers out of a job. The average, everyday person didn't get squat ... besides poorer. The revolution always underwhelms.
Think of the 2008 banker bailouts in the USSA ... did the average American (black, white, or otherwise) get anything out of it?
For that matter, ask a typical native American who benefits from the casinos on their lands. Prepare for an earful.

S. Africa is on the slow slide path to Zim. People joke about getting a white girl from Ukraine or other troubled European nations; there are also a good number of fair-skinned S.A. women who wouldn't mind a (meal) ticket out, right about now.

[eurobrat]

You do realize that virtually all farmland owned by whites (expats and locals) in Zimbabwe was confiscated by government and expropriated to certain black locals between late 90s and 2013?

Another example of just the financial danger - property of Asians (mostly Indians) in Uganda was confiscated under Idi Amin (70s I think) and those in country were ordered to leave. I would think majority of Africa is a very high risk as a place to invest, one way or the other.

Perhaps South Africa has some lower risk opportunities given that it's the most industrialized sub-saharan African economy?

Most of Africa is like that, so what.
The colonials did me a favour and the locals too.

I wouldn't mind visiting soon to check it out, an all english speaking African country. I talk with Africans all day long and they are much nicer than the blacks in the US, no chip on their shoulder and happy as clams.

[Rock]

You do realize that virtually all farmland owned by whites (expats and locals) in Zimbabwe was confiscated by government and expropriated to certain black locals between late 90s and 2013?

Another example of just the financial danger - property of Asians (mostly Indians) in Uganda was confiscated under Idi Amin (70s I think) and those in country were ordered to leave. I would think majority of Africa is a very high risk as a place to invest, one way or the other.

Perhaps South Africa has some lower risk opportunities given that it's the most industrialized sub-saharan African economy?

Most of Africa is like that, so what.
The colonials did me a favour and the locals too.

I wouldn't mind visiting soon to check it out, an all english speaking African country. I talk with Africans all day long and they are much nicer than the blacks in the US, no chip on their shoulder and happy as clams.

So what? So probably not too wise to buy any land there, that's so what.

By all means, visit, explore, and enjoy. But make your investments elsewhere.

Ghana might be interesting. Accra plus much of countryside and seaside towns are relatively safe. Kenya is probably the most touristed but assault risk is generally high and Al-Shabaab poses ongoing threat. South Africa has a lot of diversity but a lot of areas there have off the charts violent crime rates. Would avoid Nigeria and probably Liberia. English is not used as much in Uganda as Kenya but Kampala is supposed to be a more peaceful and safe than Nairobi or Mombassa.

[eurobrat]

You do realize that virtually all farmland owned by whites (expats and locals) in Zimbabwe was confiscated by government and expropriated to certain black locals between late 90s and 2013?

Another example of just the financial danger - property of Asians (mostly Indians) in Uganda was confiscated under Idi Amin (70s I think) and those in country were ordered to leave. I would think majority of Africa is a very high risk as a place to invest, one way or the other.

Perhaps South Africa has some lower risk opportunities given that it's the most industrialized sub-saharan African economy?

Most of Africa is like that, so what.
The colonials did me a favour and the locals too.

I wouldn't mind visiting soon to check it out, an all english speaking African country. I talk with Africans all day long and they are much nicer than the blacks in the US, no chip on their shoulder and happy as clams.

So what? So probably not too wise to buy any land there, that's so what.

By all means, visit, explore, and enjoy. But make your investments elsewhere.

Ghana might be interesting. Accra plus much of countryside and seaside towns are relatively safe. Kenya is probably the most touristed but assault risk is generally high and Al-Shabaab poses ongoing threat. South Africa has a lot of diversity but a lot of areas there have off the charts violent crime rates. Would avoid Nigeria and probably Liberia. English is not used as much in Uganda as Kenya but Kampala is supposed to be a more peaceful and safe than Nairobi or Mombassa.

Ghana does look nice, I have a client there I speak to weekly there who told me he lived in the U.S. But is happy to be back in Accra. There's nice beaches, economy is booming and political stability is a reality there now.

I really think Africa might be underrated for a lot of expats.

[Moretorque]

Property rights vs safety (police, fire) is a whole other question.
To have safety, you need people to do the hard work of maintaining it. Most will want to be paid in something other than atta-boy.
That cost will be passed along to the populace in fees & taxes, abuse, or both.
To collect that tax, you need a means of coercing the payment of it or punishing the non-payment of it.
Some places do this by taking and reselling property, when the tax isn't paid. Others do it by withholding services ...
2010: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39516346/ns/u ... -home-burn
2011: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/12 ... -fee-again
Most people will cough up the money.

When were property taxes started here in the US ?

During colonial times, with each colony having its own system.

So the masses pretty much took the land as their own then the state was immediately on their heals looking for rent ? the answer is have the government tied to a limited percentage of economic output to keep it in check. Make it operate on taxes only and only a percent needed to run a limited size governing body.

They are able to get away with what they do because of the idiots they put on the take who cannot think for themselves. The social engineers figured long ago. I am starting to really appreciate how sharp they are in a lot of ways.

Thanks for the info.

[Wolfeye]

What masses took the land as their own?

As for everything else: there's still the concept of "regulatory capture." Whoever does the quality control can be cut from the same cloth or paid/threatened/tricked.

[Moretorque]

Sorry I meant the Europeans who came to the America's. You see that is the thing with the fascist money supply of fiat currency, their is no payment. Socialism is all make believe headed up with the credit monopoly which is legalized counterfeiting..

They know how stupid the sheople are however so they will let this thing run it's course.

[Teal Lantern]

So the masses pretty much took the land as their own then the state was immediately on their heals looking for rent ? the answer is have the government tied to a limited percentage of economic output to keep it in check. Make it operate on taxes only and only a percent needed to run a limited size governing body.

Sounds good on paper, runs counter to human nature, though.

Revolutionary War to Whiskey Rebellion: Quick & dirty version

• The lawyers, newspaper publishers & preachers (mass media of the 1700s), and other influential people gin up the populace against British "high taxes".
• After the shooting is over, the new republic finds itself in a lot debt to the commoners and the French, who loaned to the war effort.
• It drags its feet paying them back, claiming limited power to tax and collect.
• Friends of those same influential people (mentioned above) go around buying up that debt for pennies on the dollar
  (The cash-for-gold scam isn't new )
• After they buy the old debt, suddenly the new gov't decides to pass an excise tax on whiskey to collect the funds needed to pay off that debt. (Insider trading & lobbying for regulatory advantage aren't new, either )
• The people in the frontier violently resist this on principle as well as having been using whiskey as currency, actual currency being in short supply.
• The same people who led the charge against British taxation lead the new army against citizens who resist their taxes.
• Taxes under the new gov't eventually rise higher than what had been imposed under the British.

It's never about the tax, it's about who gets to collect the tax. They will always find a reason or "need" to collect more.
Whoever says USSA soldiers would never turn their weapons on citizens ... got the cheap version of history class.

[Moretorque]

So what are you saying is the state eventually implodes all civilizations because a bunch of parasites loot everybody at gun point and do not produce ?

Was the money borrowed from France paper money ? who controlled Frances money supply at the time ? today I saw a video and a Harvard law attorney was advocating the banning of paper money, now that I understand it it is the money of criminals. Why do you think all this corruption is engulfing the world, paper or credit with no backing is most of the cause of it for sure.

Now it looks like the ruling masters are going to implode America to the ground with the Yuan if they can pull it off.

[Teal Lantern]

The loans from the French were mostly in gold/silver. During the Revolutionary War, the French were at war with the British, who were mercilessly counterfeiting the colonial currencies to undermine the rebellion. Paper money was the last thing France wanted.
Repayment in metal was preferred, but other tradeable commodities (cotton, rum, and lumber) played a role.

Paper money was accepted for local commerce because it could ultimately be used to pay local duties, taxes, etc.
In the informal economy, people find alternatives to use as money (cigarettes, soda, booze, soap, canned goods, etc).

[Wolfeye]

Who gives a flying shit if it's counterfeit or not? Why wouldn't it spend the same? The actual value of money is an imaginary construct, even if the things you buy with it are real. People act like it's some kind of "agency unit" & is basically what batteries are to electronics. This fake "life blood of activity" is a substance that's loaned out with interest charges attached- so it's like a carrot on a stick where the stick gets heavier & heavier.

All this, "Oh no, there isn't any gold represented by this money- I can't do anything, just like a flashlight without batteries!" is crazy! One gets the impression that someone is holding to some kind of rules to a board game. I wonder if these people would abstain from self-defense if an attack was directed at them during a particular time of day where it was prohibited? Maybe if it occurred during this particular time of day, it would somehow make whatever happens not occur? Then the one that defends themselves is not liable.