Property Rights In The U.S. To Be Usurped

[Teal Lantern]

Who gives a flying shit if it's counterfeit or not?

People who work for a living and want to be paid.

Why wouldn't it spend the same?

It does, until you are caught.

The actual value of money is an imaginary construct, even if the things you buy with it are real.

Will you be offering this line of "reasoning" at your counterfeiting trial?

[Jester]

You do realize that virtually all farmland owned by whites (expats and locals) in Zimbabwe was confiscated by government and expropriated to certain black locals between late 90s and 2013?

Another example of just the financial danger - property of Asians (mostly Indians) in Uganda was confiscated under Idi Amin (70s I think) and those in country were ordered to leave. I would think majority of Africa is a very high risk as a place to invest, one way or the other.

Perhaps South Africa has some lower risk opportunities given that it's the most industrialized sub-saharan African economy?

Granted that buying land there is risky for us small fry, who lack clout, mercenaries, etc.

But money IS being made there by various means. Here's one White guy that is knee deep and loving it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GslPzhFLyas

[Jester]

You do realize that virtually all farmland owned by whites (expats and locals) in Zimbabwe was confiscated by government and expropriated to certain black locals between late 90s and 2013?

Another example of just the financial danger - property of Asians (mostly Indians) in Uganda was confiscated under Idi Amin (70s I think) and those in country were ordered to leave. I would think majority of Africa is a very high risk as a place to invest, one way or the other.

Perhaps South Africa has some lower risk opportunities given that it's the most industrialized sub-saharan African economy?

Thought to prove you wrong, by checking with this travel expert. Turns out he agrees with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU_8mRRVIxE


PS He is a former real estate broker, not just a hobo etc

[Wolfeye]

Teal Lantern: Well, the thing is that the people being paid valueless money aren't getting anything different from something counterfeit- so what's the problem? I don't see why one minute three of whatever unit is enough for something & the next it costs six. As for a counterfeiting trial, I'd think that'd be pretty hypocritical of a government that doesn't even print its own money & defends a company that does exactly what they are complaining about- apparently, at that country's expense.

[Jester]

Revolutionary War to Whiskey Rebellion: Quick & dirty version..................................

[*]The same people who led the charge against British taxation lead the new army against citizens who resist their taxes. .............................

Whoever says USSA soldiers would never turn their weapons on citizens ... got the cheap version of history class.

Never thought about that precedent.

[Wolfeye]

You know something? "Fiat currency" (any money that's declared as something that must be accepted as a form of payment by a government) was actually invented in China? I think that's interesting. Also, that it's more or less not the government's problem when someone counterfeits dollars- since their dollars are not printed by them. It's like the idea of someone owning the bank that owns their house, but not owning the company that owns that bank.

[Teal Lantern]

You know something? "Fiat currency" (any money that's declared as something that must be accepted as a form of payment by a government) was actually invented in China? I think that's interesting. Also, that it's more or less not the government's problem when someone counterfeits dollars- since their dollars are not printed by them. It's like the idea of someone owning the bank that owns their house, but not owning the company that owns that bank.

That's the essence of the sovereign's scam. It's like a "street tax" dressed in nicer clothing.
Among a small group of trading partners, you could use anything you wanted as currency. If you and some friends decided to exchange hours of each others' labor for special clamshells called "Wolfeye wampum", that would work ... until the local tax body steps in and a) calculated the "fair market value" of those labor hours and b) demanded tax dues (and fines) in its own currency, meaning you have to be a part of the system in order to acquire the approved currency units to pay the tax.
They call it bartering. You can read about it in "Publication 525".

Governments have a problem with counterfeiting because it makes people lose confidence in the currency even faster than normal. This puts a crimp in tax revenue.
And, yes, the scam is millennia old. Bringing it back to the OP, it's nothing new; property, wages, number of chimneys or windows, butter, candle wax -- someone, somewhere has put a tax on it at some point. People adapted, so did the tax man. That's also a reason for pushing towards cashless economies.

[Moretorque]

The loans from the French were mostly in gold/silver. During the Revolutionary War, the French were at war with the British, who were mercilessly counterfeiting the colonial currencies to undermine the rebellion. Paper money was the last thing France wanted.
Repayment in metal was preferred, but other tradeable commodities (cotton, rum, and lumber) played a role.

Paper money was accepted for local commerce because it could ultimately be used to pay local duties, taxes, etc.
In the informal economy, people find alternatives to use as money (cigarettes, soda, booze, soap, canned goods, etc).

Old Yeller is pretty informative.

[Moretorque]

You know something? "Fiat currency" (any money that's declared as something that must be accepted as a form of payment by a government) was actually invented in China? I think that's interesting. Also, that it's more or less not the government's problem when someone counterfeits dollars- since their dollars are not printed by them. It's like the idea of someone owning the bank that owns their house, but not owning the company that owns that bank.

You have to understand the con, the charter to counterfeit was granted to England's bankers and they will fight you for it using their useful idiots they dupe to fight for them with more paper tokens, JD Rockefeller said competition is sin.

Unbacked currencies are a total fraud and they know this, they censored all the books so the morons would not understand the economics of money. Why do you think they are dumbing everything up fast, they have their fingers crossed that the idiots will not be able to figure out how the state which they control has looted the planet for free using this gimmick. They are going to try and totally censor the net coming up and how the money system works will be the first thing that goes.

[Moretorque]

You know something? "Fiat currency" (any money that's declared as something that must be accepted as a form of payment by a government) was actually invented in China? I think that's interesting. Also, that it's more or less not the government's problem when someone counterfeits dollars- since their dollars are not printed by them. It's like the idea of someone owning the bank that owns their house, but not owning the company that owns that bank.

You have to understand the con, the charter to counterfeit was granted to England's bankers and they will fight you for it using their useful idiots they dupe to fight for them with more paper tokens, JD Rockefeller said competition is sin.

Unbacked currencies are a total fraud and they know this, they censored all the books so the morons would not understand the economics of sound money. Why do you think they are dumbing everything up fast, they have their fingers crossed that the idiots will not be able to figure out how the state which they control has looted the planet for free using this gimmick. They are going to try and totally censor the net coming up and how the money system works will be the first thing that goes.

[Moretorque]

You know something? "Fiat currency" (any money that's declared as something that must be accepted as a form of payment by a government) was actually invented in China? I think that's interesting. Also, that it's more or less not the government's problem when someone counterfeits dollars- since their dollars are not printed by them. It's like the idea of someone owning the bank that owns their house, but not owning the company that owns that bank.

You have to understand the con, the charter to counterfeit was granted to England's bankers and they will fight you for it using their useful idiots they dupe to fight for them with more paper tokens, JD Rockefeller said competition is sin.

Unbacked currencies are a total fraud and they know this, they censored all the books so the morons would not understand the economics of sound money. Why do you think they are dumbing everything up fast, they have their fingers crossed that the idiots will not be able to figure out how the state which they control has looted the planet for free using this gimmick. They are going to try and totally censor the net coming up and how the money system works will be the first thing that goes.

You see socialism communism is just a hidden creditor who has unlimited purchasing tickets to arrange your society as they see fit and the arrangement is the 1% haves and the 99 % have not's. Total fascism is all it is! Socialism is for idiots plain and simple and there is no short supply of this and they know that.

[Wolfeye]

The thing about a cashless economy is that it's much harder to simply take the substance like you can with cash (or gold, silver, or whatever). Who cares what price something would theoretically fetch at a market? In the scenario, someone's not getting it for free & they don't have infinite cash.

It reminds me of things with Greece: I don't get how they OWE anything- did they pay Germans to build all kinds of things & then not pay them? Also, why wouldn't they use their own currency while maintaining the same travel arrangement with other countries that there is now?

Also, how is Germany controlling all these things throughout Europe? I thought Germany was a country in the European Union.

[Jester]

It reminds me of things with Greece: I don't get how they OWE anything- did they pay Germans to build all kinds of things & then not pay them? Also, why wouldn't they use their own currency while maintaining the same travel arrangement with other countries that there is now?

I suppose the wet dream of the Rothschilds is that they can use troops to collect, the way they did when the French invaded and occupied German Ruhr coal mines in the 1920's.

That used to be the general thinking. If a country borrows, you can make them pay, by force.

I think Teddy Roosevelt seized customs houses in the Dominican Republic to pay off European creditors. (Customs revenue is collected at fixed points so it is easy to divert if you occupy the ports.)

Nowadays no one has the stomach for invasion, but theoretically the Rothschild EU could interdict remittances to Greece, so that Greece lost all its export income.

That isnt necessarily fatal. Rhodesia was isolated by the PTB in 1965, with Britain requesting and I believe getting UN permission to interdict trade on African rivers with British gunboats. Yet as is well known the Rhodesian had something they dont teach in econ class -- an "import substitution boom". They made all kinds of things in their tiny country, smuggled what they couldnt make, and did just fine.

[Jester]

It reminds me of things with Greece: I don't get how they OWE anything- did they pay Germans to build all kinds of things & then not pay them?

The average Greek didnt get anything of lasting value, except employment, which is not a loan. So youre right, the Greeks REALLY owe little or nothing. The Golden Dawn even suggested an audit to see where the loans actually went.

BUT... sovereign debt is the pillar of the Rothschild/Oppenheimer banking cartel. Their whole system is that governments always pay, they have to pay. Letting go of that principle means that the emperor has no clothes.

[Moretorque]

There used to be a site called a Mathematically Perfected Economy, the creator of the site in my book really put it on the money. No matter what system you use if somebody starts loaning at interest and can enforce it it is only a matter of time before they take the whole earth.

His site explains how you only put money into the economy at 0% that is backed by real production and real growth weather the economy grows or the population to keep the inflation and speculation out. The Casino they have created shifts all the wealth to the Casino operator who produce nothing of value for the real economy, their ACE is stupidity and they know this. People refuse to educate themselves.

The system is designed to bury everything around it in debt to take everything over, the actual producers get looted with a accounting gimmick. How does Greece owe all the money ? our rulers control all the courts and enforce it at gunpoint or they just cut the funding off and your civilization has no ability to trade efficiently.